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Gander 09-09-2009 01:52 PM

9/12-13 (PID): Presque Isle Masters (G3); Presque Isle Mile
 
7th (8:00) Presque Isle Downs Masters S. (G3)

6 1/2 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Nicks Ocampo I 115 L
2 Diamondrella (GB) Maragh R 123 L
3 Flashing Migliore R 121 L
4 Game Face Prado E S 123 L
5 Bear Now Theriot H J II 112 L
6 Porte Bonheur Hill C 123 L
7 Sweet Lorena Carr D 115 L
8 Tequilas Dayjur Houghton T D 115 L
9 Informed Decision Leparoux J R 123 L
10 Beautiful Venue Stokes R A III 115 L
11 Dubai Majesty Mena M 123 L
12 Rollicking Affair Suarez G 112 L
AE Old Time Religion Villa-Gomez H 110 L
AE Premier Roma Gonzalez L A 110 L

Pretty salty field :eek:

hockey2315 09-09-2009 01:54 PM

Wow.

Habersham000 09-09-2009 01:57 PM

That is very impressive for a Grade III.....good job stakes cordinator at Presque Isle

Sightseek 09-09-2009 01:58 PM

Who would have thought they would have something decent at PI?

hockey2315 09-09-2009 01:59 PM

* besides DrugS

Gander 09-09-2009 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Who would have thought they would have something decent at PI?

I know. I had to do a double take. This is going to be one heck of a race to bet and watch!

randallscott35 09-09-2009 02:03 PM

Grade 3 is only what it is now. It will get upgraded over time. 400k is real money.

Gander 09-09-2009 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randallscott35
Grade 3 is only what it is now. It will get upgraded over time. 400k is real money.

I think its more about the connections wanting to see if their horses can handle the poly, for the purpose of deciding whether or not the BC is for them.

VOL JACK 09-09-2009 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
7th (8:00) Presque Isle Downs Masters S. (G3)

6 1/2 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Nicks Ocampo I 115 L
2 Diamondrella (GB) Maragh R 123 L
3 Flashing Migliore R 121 L
4 Game Face Prado E S 123 L
5 Bear Now Theriot H J II 112 L
6 Porte Bonheur Hill C 123 L
7 Sweet Lorena Carr D 115 L
8 Tequilas Dayjur Houghton T D 115 L
9 Informed Decision Leparoux J R 123 L
10 Beautiful Venue Stokes R A III 115 L
11 Dubai Majesty Mena M 123 L
12 Rollicking Affair Suarez G 112 L
AE Old Time Religion Villa-Gomez H 110 L
AE Premier Roma Gonzalez L A 110 L

Pretty salty field :eek:


Bear Now would be VERY Interesting at 112 lbs..But JT cant weigh in under 118-120.
Tequillas Dayjurs connections need to be slapped..she is a dirt only.
Oh well, maybe they are trying to set me up another nice win mutuel when she returns to dirt.

hockey2315 09-09-2009 03:10 PM

I agree about Bear Now. . . don't care about the weight though.

VOL JACK 09-09-2009 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I agree about Bear Now. . . don't care about the weight though.

You dont think 11 pounds would be a major advantage?
Its not like we are talking about 120 compared to 123..I agree thats spliting hairs but, 11 pounds is substantial.

hockey2315 09-09-2009 03:35 PM

I guess. . . I don't really look at weight. If the jock's over a few pounds it's not going to stop me from betting her. . . assuming I get the right price.

RockHardTen1985 09-09-2009 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Wow.


Is your aim ****ed up?

Linny 09-09-2009 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habersham000
That is very impressive for a Grade III.....good job stakes cordinator at Presque Isle


The stakes coordinator at PID is an occassional visitor to this site. He has done a great job. This race might have the best field of the weekend.

brianwspencer 09-09-2009 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
The stakes coordinator at PID is an occassional visitor to this site. He has done a great job. This race might have the best field of the weekend.

Only because the Washington Park was last weekend -- ask Drugs.

Cannon Shell 09-09-2009 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
I think its more about the connections wanting to see if their horses can handle the poly, for the purpose of deciding whether or not the BC is for them.

400k is a serious purse for filly sprinters

Gander 09-10-2009 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
400k is a serious purse for filly sprinters

Ya this purse is sick. So is the BC and so many of these contenders are unproven on polytrack. I think a lot of people may have learned lessons seeing some very good dirt horses flop on the junk on BC Day, most notably Fabulous Strike. Try your horse here before shipping across the country to find out your horses cant take hold of the poly.

Should be a heck of a race, but I wish it was on dirt.

Kasept 09-10-2009 04:04 PM

SUNDAY 7th (8:00) Presque Isle Mile S.

1 Mile (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 J's Sundance Halo Gonzalez L A 113 L
2 Jade's Revenge Vega H 113 L
3 The Roundhouse Decarlo C P 119 L
4 Cherokee Artist Rose J 122 L
5 Motovato Leparoux J R 122 L
6 Sea Dubai Pino M G 113 L
7 Budge Man Allen R D Jr 119 L
8 Xela McKee J 119 L
9 Rollicking Affair Suarez G 110 L
10 Sweet Lorena Carr D 113 L
11 Vacation Velazquez J R 122 L
12 Luck Money (IRE) Martinez L J Jr 113 L
AE Tiz Late Martinez W 119 L
AE Oneshotaway 113 L
AE Karama Lebron V 110 L
AE Suyeta Farina T 110 L

Hickory Hill Hoff 09-10-2009 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
The stakes coordinator at PID is an occassional visitor to this site. He has done a great job. This race might have the best field of the weekend.

Agree totally.....and he's a good guy! :)

knickslions2 09-10-2009 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
7th (8:00) Presque Isle Downs Masters S. (G3)

6 1/2 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Nicks Ocampo I 115 L
2 Diamondrella (GB) Maragh R 123 L
3 Flashing Migliore R 121 L
4 Game Face Prado E S 123 L
5 Bear Now Theriot H J II 112 L
6 Porte Bonheur Hill C 123 L
7 Sweet Lorena Carr D 115 L
8 Tequilas Dayjur Houghton T D 115 L
9 Informed Decision Leparoux J R 123 L
10 Beautiful Venue Stokes R A III 115 L
11 Dubai Majesty Mena M 123 L
12 Rollicking Affair Suarez G 112 L
AE Old Time Religion Villa-Gomez H 110 L
AE Premier Roma Gonzalez L A 110 L

Pretty salty field :eek:


got my "Game Face" on for this one

JJP 09-11-2009 07:23 PM

This race and the Prioress should swap gradings.

jballscalls 09-12-2009 08:33 PM

why did they have so many scratches, chart said they only ended up with 7 runners?

NTamm1215 09-12-2009 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJP
This race and the Prioress should swap gradings.

Does it matter that this race is for 3YO and Up and the Prioress is for 3YO?

NT

JJP 09-13-2009 08:22 AM

Should there be a second Grade 1 sprint for 3YO fillies. IMO, no. Most years the race hasn't had one entrant with a triple digit Beyer (yes I realize the 2008 winner has had many triple digit Beyers but she is the giant exception in this race).

I bet the Presque Isle race early hoping for a $6.80 or so payoff on Informed Decision. $3.80?? If I saw the odds I would never have bet her at that price. Would've expected Diamondrella and Game Face to take a little more money. Maybe the PID bettors are sharp.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-13-2009 09:49 AM

She was 4-for-4 with four triple digit Beyer wins on synthetic coming into the race ... and the other big names hadn't tried it yet.

A New York bred based out of Finger Lakes was 2nd. That horse had 3 sharp wins in a row over PID in her last 3 tries ... and couldn't outrun a goat on dirt. I think handicappers are just much more tuned in that proven form over the surface - or at least a similar surface - is very key.

CSC 09-14-2009 08:00 AM

Rose & Motion do the Positive ROI thing again.

Gander 09-14-2009 08:56 AM

This would have been a great race on real dirt, but once again poly junk ruins a great field of horses and turns it into a chalky result. Its going to really hit hard come 2 months, when we see a "what could have been" Breeders Cup on the junk. If this were at Belmont or Churchill, this year's BC would be one for the ages.

CSC 09-14-2009 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
This would have been a great race on real dirt, but once again poly junk ruins a great field of horses and turns it into a chalky result. Its going to really hit hard come 2 months, when we see a "what could have been" Breeders Cup on the junk. If this were at Belmont or Churchill, this year's BC would be one for the ages.

I thought yesterday's result was somewhat of an overlay, I know he was 4/1 on the ML but he was the best horse on poly for my money. A $7.90 payout was a steal in my opinion.

Gander 09-14-2009 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I thought yesterday's result was somewhat of an overlay, I know he was 4/1 on the ML but he was the best horse on poly for my money. A $7.90 payout was a steal in my opinion.

I cant take any race (save for the BC races) on the poly seriously, but good call. I assume you mean Cherokee Focus? I watched the race but honestly have never heard of this horse.

CSC 09-14-2009 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
I cant take any race (save for the BC races) on the poly seriously, but good call. I assume you mean Cherokee Focus? I watched the race but honestly have never heard of this horse.

We can get into a poly handicapping discussion sometime, I think if handicappers understand the surface they can be sucessful at making a few dollars. Basically the way I look at it nullifies the strength of dirt speed horses, an american strength and that is a good place to start when looking at these type of races.

richard 09-15-2009 01:01 PM

5 year old Sweet Lorena and her connections deserve plaudits for her achievements. 4 times stakes placed on dirt at Finger Lakes prior to this G3 second on tapeta. 24-12-7-3 $331,880 is quite a record . Here's a recap on http://nybreds.com/ .


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