War Front
 

I guess we all got a chance to see who the real deal was in the Vanderbilt. Afra-fraud finally met his match. Nice performance by the winner.

Anytime Allen Jerkens calls a horse one of the best hes ever trained, one has to listen. Those were his words all the way back in January, before he raced this year. Unfortunately he gets hurt, but Jerkens does a hell of a job getting him back better than ever.

BC Sprint, look out.

To me this is clearly the best 6F sprinter there is in training right now. He showed all the naysayers yesterday that he does not need the lead to win. I knew he'd get the same kind of trip that nearly worked at Gulfstream earlier in the year, but the Chief has got this horse cranked so tight right now. He would have beaten anybody yesterday.

Many will attribute his win to the fast fractions in front of him and his perfec trip, but believe me, he would have won with any trip yesterday.
And if the fractions were so perfectly fast, where the hell was Mass Media to take advantage of them?

This horse is the real deal.

I feel shameful for even admitting to using Afrashad on the pick 4 ticket with War Front...:o

I was going to also use him Kev, but decided WF was as worthy a single as anyone. I didnt spread as wide as I had posted on here, rather played:

$20 pick 4- War Front/Film Maker, Rich in Spirit/Relaxed Gesture/Better Talk Now, Ace

You catch Tin Man i see? hope it helped you out.

my pick 4 was War Front, afradshad/Gorella,Film,Honey/RG,Go Deputy/EC $12 for $1.

hindsight is 20/20, but WF was clearly best....I loved Gorella...RG, GO Dep i thought were the only two that had a chance in the Sword....should have gone deeper in the million....oh well.

Ya I did Kev, screwy day, started drinking beers, hanging out with some friends who lets just say arent track savvy, so I was out of my element.

Burned a lot of money on Sarah's Prospect in the Monmouth 9th, and the late double at Saratoga but the Tin Man actually made it a good day after all was said and done. Had a blast and paying for it right now. I'm so hungover I could jump through my window and not feel it.

I thought about having a few screwdrivers at the track yesterday and let Stacy drive and then I remembered I haven't had a drop of alcohol in over a month...and didn't realize it....

How much Swedish fish can I get for $20????:D joking...

Tim...I knew it was gonna be a long day when I went to make a $20 win bet on Party Fever in the first at Delaware yesterday and the butt monkeys that come to the track on closing day have no clue...I kid you not, this gentleman in front of me was trying to play a .10 EXACTA BOX....and he had the nerve to argue with me that he could.....of course Party Fever goes gate to wire...wins for fun and pays $15:mad:

No doubt talented, but he looked a little funny coming home, with his soundness issues, I hope he makes it to the BC. Jerkens made some comment about seeing how he pulls up.

LOL!!!

a .10 exacta box?! lmao....last of the big time spenders!

Gander you are crazy to think he is the best sprinter in training right now. The field for the this race was OK and the track was favoring whoever got the lead turning for home. The horse came home in an extremely slow time and he was all over the track. Heck, Silver Train (who I dont like) would have passed him by on any track other than saratoga. War Front will get demolished in the BCS.

Demolished??!!
By who exactly? Name one horse right now who is better than War Front going 6F?

My only concern is Jerkens wanting to rush this horse along. I read today he is coming back with him in 3 weeks in the Forego at 7F. My thinking is too much too soon for a horse who was layed up 5 months with a pretty serious injury. But what the heck do I know? People thoght he would bounce yesterday and they were wrong.

Tim,
I agree, might be too much too soon. H Allen said he was nursing a hoof problem and credited his stable help for keeping this one sound enough to run.
I hope he came out of the race ok.
DTS

Allen has grade one fever right now, a week after winning the Test Stakes, which I wont say was a "lucky win" but lets face it, the race fell apart and only 2 out of 13 horses did any real running- Swap Fliparoo and Original Spin, so it wasnt one of the better grade 1 wins from him. He knows hes got the talent in War Front, just wish he would take his time with him and maybe point towards a littel more out.

Too Much Bling, Henny Hughes, Siren Lure, Songster and Sun King if he goes in the Sprint. All of these horses would crush War Front.

I definitely disagree. He's right up there right now. I was there for his race against Silver Train and it was enormous. He simply bounced off it and still won with ease. He'll be right there if stays in form.

Henny Hughes

Disagree all you want. Only time will tell.

Henny Hughes maybe, but at 6F- Sun King simply no way. Hes not that great a horse to overcome the lengths he would spot horses like Henny and War Front. I dont think Songster or Too Much Bling are quite ready for the older horses yet. Siren Lure is a nice horse but hasnt exactly been beating the best sprinters in the country and I think he may be better on turf.

Thing to remember that is the BC Sprint you are going to get a very very fast pace. Sun King will get a perfect trip and a perfect pace to close into. I can see Sun King doing the same thing as Silver Train did last year.

I doubt Sun King even runs in the BC Sprint. I think hes a big time tweener (needs somewhere in between 6F and 1 1/4 miles). If he does, I just dont think the horses who run near the pace will all fold like in last years to give the closers a chance. This year's sprint promises to be a better group of horses assembled. And Sun King would be coming from farther back than Silver Train had to last year.

I think Sun King is better suited for the Sprint. I think that facing Invasor, Bernardini, Lava Man etc etc is too tall of a task. This years sprint, in my opinion, is weaker than last year. Sun King fits in better with the sprinters than the classic horses. Now all this doesnt mean that Zito wont try the Classic.

I agree completely. If there was a BC race on dirt run anywhere between 7 and 9 furlongs Sun King would be a big threat. I think the smart move for Zito to make with this one would be to forget about the Breeders' Cup altogether and concentrate on the stakes races run at 7, 8, and 8.5 furlongs. He could pick up his share of Ws in those.

SK is a different horse when he can come off the pace, the sprint is too short for him and he fits better in the Classic. Also, he runs off-on, look for his next one to be a clunker and then he'll run a big one...

Well I agree with you on thar Euro. If I owned this horse and had to pick between the 2 races, I would have to go with the sprint and just pray for a total pace collapse. I dont see it happening but I think there is a better chance of this than him beating Lava Man or Bernardini, with any pace scenario.

Yes but you don't HAVE to choose one or the other. You could skip them both. I think he would be a pretty big longshot in either of those races. I know it is the BC and everyone wants their horse to win one, but moving this horse back and forth between 6 and 10 furlongs all the time is crazy and could screw up the horse. There is nothing wrong with being a great dirt 7-9 furlong horse and picking up a bunch of G2 and G3 wins.

Definately, the Sprint is the most logical race for this horse. I think the Classic field is going to be one of the best ever. Especially if Whitney was a fluke for Flower Alley and if Electrocutionist comes back 100%. You could have the following:

Bernardini
Invasor
Flower Alley
Electrocutionist
Lava Man
Perfect Drift
Giacomo

And I am sure I am missing a couple, but those 7 above are pretty darn good.

See i love the turn back in distance angle used by trainers. Not sure when Sun King;s next start is but if he goes long then I think it sets him up perfectly for the Sprint. And no offense, you have to run Sun King in a Breeders Cup race.

Based on his impressive performances in his last 2 races, I would assume Suave is pointed to this race as well. He and Bluegrass Cat are probably not in the same league as horses like Invasor and Lava Man, but they are probably planning on making a trip to Louisville and based on their most recent performances they may have a shot in the race as well.

Totally agree on the two that you mentioned.