Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   The Paddock (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2)
-   -   Horse of the Year (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31566)

pweizer 09-05-2009 05:12 PM

Horse of the Year
 
Rachel's race today was awesome and I am a big fan. However, even with all she has accomplished, isn't a little early to be declaring that she has wrapped up horse of the year honors? Andy beyer said it this morning. The guys on TVG have been saying it as well.

If Zenyatta comes east for the Beldame and beats Rachel and then goes on to win the Breeder's Cup Classic, wouldn't she have to be horse of the year? Not likely to happen (I know) but as great as today is for racing, it cannot possibly have definatively settled the horse of the year question.

Paul

PPerfectfan 09-05-2009 05:13 PM

NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tro:

infield_line 09-05-2009 05:15 PM

With those fractions, I would have bet
 
$1000 at the turn that she would get caught...

really in a class of her own.

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 05:15 PM

Zero chance she runs again this year.

GPK 09-05-2009 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Zero chance she runs again this year.

I co-sign that.

tiggerv 09-05-2009 05:17 PM

Zenyatta would have to beat Rachel in the Bedlame and Sea the Stars in the BCC for HOY. My guess is Sheriffs will duck both.

Oaklawnfan 09-05-2009 05:17 PM

Would it really be worth the risk for both parties? I am not being coy, I really am not sure. What do DTer's think?:confused: I will say, that was one of the best races that I have ever had the privilege to enjoy. :tro:

tiggerv 09-05-2009 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Zero chance she runs again this year.

This too

mclem0822 09-05-2009 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Zero chance she runs again this year.

I agree I think they shut her down. Unless the voters decide to punish the connections for not going to the BC, she gets horse of the year.

Scav 09-05-2009 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Zero chance she runs again this year.

Not with the way she looked after the race, she looked like she was going to pass out

Travis Stone 09-05-2009 05:24 PM

If what she's done this year isn't a Horse of the Year campaign, I'm not sure what is. Sorry folks, but she sealed the deal today.

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Not with the way she looked after the race, she looked like she was going to pass out

Borel looked like he was going to pass out before the race after getting dumped.

jwkniska 09-05-2009 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Borel looked like he was going to pass out before the race after getting dumped.

Great point. I saw it and totally agree.

Also, he had to use the whip today, which isn't normal for him on her.

Scav 09-05-2009 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Borel looked like he was going to pass out before the race after getting dumped.

He fell off pre race on her?

jwkniska 09-05-2009 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
He fell off pre race on her?

dumped after post parade

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
Great point. I saw it and totally agree.

Also, he had to use the whip today, which isn't normal for him on her.

Were they using the ***** whips or the regular ones?

jwkniska 09-05-2009 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Were they using the ***** whips or the regular ones?

no clue too far away camera angle to tell... like it matters a ton?!

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
no clue too far away camera angle to tell... like it matters a ton?!

Dude I whacked my leg with the soft ones and you cant hardly even feel it. If I had hit myself with a regular one as hard i'd still have a welt and this was three months ago. It does matter but of course if they are all using the same one it is fair.

jwkniska 09-05-2009 05:42 PM

all having the same is definitely the point.. to keep it even.

haven't seen the new one, didn't figure it would be that different... and you're the expert.

fpsoxfan 09-05-2009 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
If what she's done this year isn't a Horse of the Year campaign, I'm not sure what is. Sorry folks, but she sealed the deal today.

No doubt about it!

tector 09-05-2009 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclem0822
I agree I think they shut her down. Unless the voters decide to punish the connections for not going to the BC, she gets horse of the year.

You are also going to have people who want to punish the whole concept of plastic tracks and the idiocy of the BC for embracing it without any thought.

It's over. It is Horse of the Year, not Horse Of The First Weekend In November. In every sense she has been the horse of the year. Unless the poobahs of racing are suicidal idiots who want to crap on the fans (hmmmm...let's not rule that out), it would be nuts to consider any other horse.

I sincerely doubt she runs again this year. You probably next see her prepping for the Donn. She just won a race she absolutely had no business winning, going all out. Possibly putting aside some top horses on the SoCal plasterboard tracks of yore, who goes out 22 and 4 in a two turn 9f race and still comes home in 12 and 4?

Not too many.

If Moss was smart he'd take the Beldame challenge. But if he was REALLY smart, he wouldn't, because IP is the most likely winner. And at this point the most camp Zenyatta can hope for is holding on the Older F&M title, which is no longer a lock for them. They just need to stick to their boring-ass plan and hope that IP doesn't like the chewed up Tupperware.

Coach Pants 09-05-2009 05:51 PM

So the consensus is she's done for the year because of one tough race? No wonder why this sport is behind bowling and cornhole on espn.

I can see it now...

Once horse racing is done as a sport the fans that are left will switch to Tennis and demand a tournament end after the star has a tough 5-setter in the quarters.

tector 09-05-2009 05:58 PM

There is no longer any upside, Mr. Pants.

Buy a horse like her and you'll understand.

First, however, you'll have to figure a way to get $10 million dollars.

RockHardTen1985 09-05-2009 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Zero chance she runs again this year.

I agree, but post race Jackson sounded like he would run her, if there was a spot.

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tector
There is no longer any upside, Mr. Pants.

Buy a horse like her and you'll understand.

First, however, you'll have to figure a way to get $10 million dollars.

You have experience with buying 8 million dollar horses? At least get the price right.

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I agree, but post race Jackson sounded like he would run her, if there was a spot.

If there was a spot? Is there a lack of 1 1/8th stake races in the fall?

hurricanefrank 09-05-2009 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
So the consensus is she's done for the year because of one tough race? No wonder why this sport is behind bowling and cornhole on espn.

I can see it now...

Once horse racing is done as a sport the fans that are left will switch to Tennis and demand a tournament end after the star has a tough 5-setter in the quarters.

I think the race was tough because the 2009 campaign is catching up with her. If I owned her I'd shut her down.

RockHardTen1985 09-05-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
If there was a spot? Is there a lack of 1 1/8th stake races in the fall?

He said something like that on the MSG plus show. Donovan asked him, he responded with " it depends on how she coms out of this and if there was a spot worth running her" Im guessing that means, if Zenyatta comes and joins Icon Project in the Beldame.

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurricanefrank
I think the race was tough because the 2009 campaign is catching up with her. If I owned her I'd shut her down.

If I owned her I'd sell her.

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
He said something like that on the MSG plus show. Donovan asked him, he responded with " it depends on how she coms out of this and if there was a spot worth running her" Im guessing that means, if Zenyatta comes and joins Icon Project in the Beldame.

He will stretch it out as long as he can. He doesnt get on tv crushing grapes. But I dont think we will see her again this year.

RockHardTen1985 09-05-2009 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He will stretch it out as long as he can. He doesnt get on tv crushing grapes. But I dont think we will see her again this year.

100% agree. What will her campaign be like next year?

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
100% agree. What will her campaign be like next year?

mystery novel

DaTruth 09-05-2009 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pweizer
Rachel's race today was awesome and I am a big fan. However, even with all she has accomplished, isn't a little early to be declaring that she has wrapped up horse of the year honors? Andy beyer said it this morning. The guys on TVG have been saying it as well.

If Zenyatta comes east for the Beldame and beats Rachel and then goes on to win the Breeder's Cup Classic, wouldn't she have to be horse of the year? Not likely to happen (I know) but as great as today is for racing, it cannot possibly have definatively settled the horse of the year question.

Paul

In addition to totally dominating her division, she has defeated last year's Belmont winner, and the winners of this year's Derby, Belmont, Travers, Whitney, and Foster, New Orleans, and Oaklawn Handicaps. What more can we ask of her? She has beaten everything in her path this year.

DaTruth 09-05-2009 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
mystery novel

I don't think they can settle on beating up older fillies and mares after what she has done this year.

Since Steve will have her at Fair Grounds next year, she will make her bow in the Mineshaft on February 20, with her main early objective being the March 27 Dubai World Cup over the new Meydan course.

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth
In addition to totally dominating her division, she has defeated last year's Belmont winner, and the winners of this year's Derby, Belmont, Travers, Whitney, and Foster, New Orleans, and Oaklawn Handicaps. What more can we ask of her? She has beaten everything in her path this year.

You can stop refering to last years Belmont winner as such as they obviously ran a ringer in that race.

GPK 09-05-2009 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
mystery novel

Did she run as a 4 YO?

DaTruth 09-05-2009 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You can stop refering to last years Belmont winner as such as they obviously ran a ringer in that race.

I was going to refer to him as last year's Belmont champion, but I figured that would look too suspicious.

freddymo 09-05-2009 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He will stretch it out as long as he can. He doesnt get on tv crushing grapes. But I dont think we will see her again this year.

If Zenyatta comes to the Beldame Jess nor Rachel will disappoint. He needs the purse money to help pay the 7 not 8mil he bought her for!

RockHardTen1985 09-05-2009 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth
I don't think they can settle on beating up older fillies and mares after what she has done this year.

Since Steve will have her at Fair Grounds next year, she will make her bow in the Mineshaft on February 20, with her main early objective being the March 27 Dubai World Cup over the new Meydan course.

DWC? I think they plan on keeping her off synthetics. Right?

Cannon Shell 09-05-2009 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
If Zenyatta comes to the Beldame Jess nor Rachel will disappoint. He needs the purse money to help pay the 7 not 8mil he bought her for!

There is a better shot of Rampillion winning the Arc than Zenyatta leaving CA.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:58 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.