This is what we will get from Obamacare
 

This guy is insane...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...280098676.html

damn chuck, we're already on the wrong side of that graph! chilling stuff.-how would this plan be better than what we have now, where no emergency room can deny a patient regardless of ability to pay? and i noted that the good dr. is rahm emanuel's brother. is that some of that obama 'change' we were promised? sounds like the usual nepotism to me.

Obama pulled the biggest snow job in history on the people who believe they are moderates. He is a typical,radical, partisan politician. He is atypical in that he was able to fool so many people so thoroughly. The fact that the Emmanuels are big voices in the White House should be scary enough. That these two will be pulling the strings behind the scenes is chilling, especially if you are ancient like us or considering having a baby, whom dont have much societial worth according to the Presidents Medical advisor.

The writer of that op-ed piece is the infamous Betsey McCaughey, famous insurance company shill. The creator and initiator of the concept of "the government death panel will kill your grandma!" as an insurance company-GOP strategy argument.

Do a bit of google and watch her on any number of cable news shows the past month, then tell me what you think of her objectivity and accuracy regarding what she says about healthcare reform.

Oh - and read the real articles she cherry picks incomplete and taken-out-of context quotes from.

Oh please. She recites her sources which are easily looked up. His words arent twisted. They are crystal clear. Except to you.

is the chart that was in that article something he actually did use in lancet?

is this quote incorrect? "Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments. . . . As the legal philosopher Ronald Dworkin argues, 'It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old dies and worse still when an adolescent does,' this argument is supported by empirical surveys." (thelancet.com, Jan. 31, 2009)


if the article presents his real quotes, and real ideas, then what does it matter who wrote it?

and what about this:

According to an August 2009 report from the National Bureau of Economic Research, patients diagnosed with cancer in the U.S. have a better chance of surviving the disease than anywhere else. The World Health Organization also rates the U.S. No. 1 out of 191 countries for responsiveness to the needs and choices of the individual patient.

That a Doctor in this country even thinks this way is frightening, not even taking into consideration that he has the Presidents ear.

That Riot supports him with her "shoot the messenger" retort is typical.

i just read this in an article about obama-care...


At a town hall hosted by Democratic Rep. Jim Moran this week, one person demanded to know why the threat of medical lawsuits couldn't be reduced.

"There's $200 million dollars in savings over 10 years if we had tort reform and nobody loses but the lawyers," the person said before shouting, "Why have we not even considered that?"

Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, a proponent of health reform, responded that tort reform would create more enemies for lawmakers as they try to pass a reform bill.

"Plain and simple truth," he said.

The president of the American Medical Association says without more protections for doctors in the courtroom they will continue to order tests that may be unnecessary and drive up health care costs simply to protect themselves.

This messenger is worth shooting. She was fired just last week from her insurance company lobbying organization over her lack of knowledge about healthcare reform.

You can find the appearance in question on the internet and watch it yourself. It's pretty funny where she read parts of the House bill, and Stewart then points out that it clearly doesn't say what she says it says.

Nice to see WSJ is still giving Betsy, the creator of "the government will kill your grandma!" lie, a voice.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...uel_lancet.pdf


the intro of the lancet article:



Allocation of very scarce medical interventions such as organs and vaccines is a persistent ethical challenge. We
evaluate eight simple allocation principles that can be classified into four categories: treating people equally, favouring
the worst-off , maximising total benefits, and promoting and rewarding social usefulness. No single principle is
sufficient to incorporate all morally relevant considerations and therefore individual principles must be combined
into multiprinciple allocation systems. We evaluate three systems: the United Network for Organ Sharing points
systems, quality-adjusted life-years, and disability-adjusted life-years. We recommend an alternative system—the
complete lives system—which prioritises younger people who have not yet lived a complete life, and also incorporates
prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value principles.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/kee...-not-everyone/


[i]Obama, Aug. 15: f you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. Nobody is going to force you to leave your health care plan. If you like your doctor, you keep seeing your doctor. I don’t want government bureaucrats meddling in your health care. But the point is, I don’t want insurance company bureaucrats meddling in your health care either.

President Obama has repeatedly said that under the health care overhaul efforts in Congress, "if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan." But he can’t make that promise to everyone.

■In fact, under the House bill, some employers might have to modify plans after a five-year grace period if they don’t meet minimum benefits standards.

■Furthermore, some firms are likely to buy different coverage for their workers than they have now, or simply drop coverage and pay a penalty instead, leaving workers to buy their own private coverage or go on a new federal insurance plan

Keep changing the subject....

Did I say she was a moron?

Well.I guess I'm insane too..I voted for him once and I'll support him again. Nice quotes as usual from the right..jeesus...Here's our side's take on this b*tch.

http://gawker.com/5337724/betsy-mccaughey-liar

huh

Why is that changing the subject? You quote some proven liar as gospel and then dump on anyone who disputes what she says? Typical neo-con hyporicy. Shovel sh*t and whine about anyone who challenges you.

You voted for Dr.Emmanuel? What was he running for?

:rolleyes: I love Riot...She at least has the patience to put up with your crap..I don"t..

;)

:rolleyes: I love Riot...She at least has the patience to put up with your crap..I don"t..

;)

His life?

Ted Kennedy got caught cheating in college and killed a girl. Joe Biden is an admitted plaigarist. We are forced to listen to them because you guys keep voting for them...

what did she lie about? In the article.

He is above the age limit...

C'mon she is boring. Dont go...

Forget it...you guys should take notice of why Ted Kennedy was so revered by both sides. He was solid to his liberal base but knew how to be a moderate when needed. That's a huge problem for you haters...if you never want to meet even 25% of the way, you'll just be forgotten

the only time I can remember hm being moderate was fighting the wind mills off his property but that shouldn't count. Clarence Thomas was his chance and he failed miserably.

Did he kill the girl he was cheating with or on?

Ted Kennedy was as partisan as any politician. He was great at being a politician. We arent haters, we are concerned citizens who worry about the path this country is headed down. As critical as you want to be about Bush, the war, Gitmo etc, the fact is that those policies are easily reversed, the tax cuts expire, the wars end. But this administration is doing things that CANT be reversed or changed even if they prove to be a disaster to the entire country. This isnt about some terrorist in a distant prison. It is about the American way of life and our system of capitalism. Saying that we dont want to meet in the middle is totally wrong and myopic. The middle isnt being offered. It wasnt offered in the stimlus debate and it isnt being offered now.

I thought it was Robert Bork actually, and I wish he hadn't reached across the aisle so much. No reason to have to lower yourself to neo-cons except if you wanted to get a bill passed...must have been humiliating.

With. Though he did a USC football move at Harvard by having someone else take a test for him.

No more humilating than his death bed move of trying to get around the law Dems so vigorously pursued when Romney was Gov.

Hypocrite to the end.

pubic hair on a coke can = big problem

oral in the oval office = that'a boy ?????

The middle is as how you define it..it's all relative to what you believe. To me the middle is far left of where it is now, to you, the middle is fiscally right of Bush and socially left of him, although I really think you guys are more fiscally concerned than anything. It's just fascinating to watch and read the bile over a defecit and a President who advances an agenda you think is wrong. You throw around the words "morons" and "idiots" like it's gospel wihout ever thinking that maybe there was/is a good reason we believe in and voted for Obama. What are you more concerned about?...Just trying to be right or actually doing good for this country?

One wanted it, one didn't..big difference

I saw video of him catching a touchdown in college ... looked like Todd Heap in black and white.

Where did I throw around the words morons or idiots?

The healthcare thing is a debacle. There really wasnt a plan and it was being rushed through on a political miscalculation by Obama and company. This is perhaps the biggest piece of legislature than will ever be passed since it not only consumes so much of the economy but because it will tangibly touch every person in the country. Healthcare reform is NOT a bad thing. Doing it the Obama/Pelosi way is. If ever there was a bill that needed give and take it is this one. But the issues are always clouded by the special interests and this one has its fingerprints all over it. Tort reform is badly needed but to do that Obama has to step on one of his strongest supporters, so it wont happen. That starts the dirty cycle since every other player suddenly needs to be bought off (AMA, AARP, Hospital org, unions, etc) and the water is muddied again. All of a sudden you are where we are now. The GOP doesnt want to let this through but if Obama had reached accross and stepped on someones toes and called the GOP bluff, health care would have a chance. But the compromise that leads to a huge govt program simply wont get done in this environment. Govt agencies are a mess in general. Red tape, paperwork, political appointees, internal controls, unions, etc. make people like me who have dealt with ridiclously inefficient govt agencies real nervous. The out of control spending, the lame funding plans, the rush to get done, the political crap from Pelosi, these are not ideas that appeal to people in the middle.

and Mary Jo and her parents? :eek:

Who gets Riot .



Sarah Palin is a moronic idiot. The Senate took out that provision before they went on recess. That was the beginning of August. The Senate is still in recess. This happened before Caribou Barbie posted that Obamas Death Panel was going to determine if her Down Baby would live, depending upon his contribution to society.Did I mention Sarah Palin is a moronic idiot?

Did I mention Sarah Palin is a moronic idiot?Your focus on personal insults are nothing more than the foot-stomping temper tantrum of last resort by the person with no arguments.

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Dear Riot: you should look into buying an auto-responder, since it's the same pablum you spill each time! You have approx 5 steps before you've completely jumped the cliff for Zero. Hope you have better reults than the coyote;)