Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   Stakes Archive (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=24)
-   -   8/29 (SAR): Travers, King's Bishop, Ballerina, Ballston, Vic. Ride (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31395)

Kasept 08-26-2009 10:19 AM

8/29 (SAR): Travers, King's Bishop, Ballerina, Ballston, Vic. Ride
 
7th (2:55) Victory Ride S. (G3)

6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

2 Trix in the City Dominguez R A 116 L
1 Bold Union Velazquez J R 120 L
3 Reforestation Coa E M 116 L
4 Sky Haven Bridgmohan S X 120 L
1A All of Her Twist Desormeaux K J 120 L
5 Juliet's Spirit Albarado R J 120 L
6 Step Out Smartly Castellano J J 120 L
7 Selva Garcia Alan 120 L
8 Sara Louise Prado E S 120 L

A-Coupled: Bold Union and All of Her Twist



9th (4:05) Ballston Spa H. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Rutherienne Garcia Alan 120 L
2 My Princess Jess Velasquez C 118 L
3 Closeout Albarado R J 118 L
4 Dyna's Lassie Marquez C H Jr 118 L
5 Teamgeist (ARG) Prado E S 120 L
6 Captain's Lover (SAF) Velazquez J R 118 L
7 Cocoa Beach (CHI) Dominguez R A 120 L
8 Salve Germania (IRE) Castellano J J 118



10th (4:38) Ballerina S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Music Note Maragh R 121 L
2 Informed Decision Leparoux J R 122 L
3 Tar Heel Mom Garcia Alan 115 L
4 Indian Blessing Velazquez J R 119 L
5 Modification Dominguez R A 115 L
6 P. S. U. Grad Desormeaux K J 115 L



11th (5:10) NetJets King's Bishop S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

2 Munnings Velazquez J R 123 L
3 Capt. Candyman Can Castellano J J 121 L
4 Not for Silver Lezcano J 121 L
1 Vineyard Haven Garcia Alan 121 L
1A Everyday Heroes Prado E S 119 L
6 Despite the Odds Rose J 119 L
7 Prince Joshua Maragh R 119 L
8 Flat Bold Dominguez R A 117 L
9 Big Drama Coa E M 119 L

A-Coupled: Vineyard Haven and Everyday Heroes



12th (5:46) Shadwell Travers S. (G1)


1 1/4 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000

1 Hold Me Back Leparoux J R 126 L
2 Charitable Man Dominguez R A 126 L
3 Warrior's Reward Borel C H 126 L
4 Quality Road Velazquez J R 126 L
5 Our Edge Garcia Alan 126 L
6 Summer Bird Desormeaux K J 126 L
7 Kensei Prado E S 126 L

alysheba4 08-26-2009 02:55 PM

quality road should be about 1-5 against these sleds.

dalakhani 08-26-2009 03:08 PM

Summer Bird or Kensei...depending on price.

Sightseek 08-26-2009 03:15 PM

King's Bishop
 
11th (5:10)
NetJets King's Bishop S. (G1)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $300,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med.
1 Munnings Velazquez J R 123 L
2 Capt. Candyman Can Castellano J J 121 L
3 Not for Silver Lezcano J 121 L
4 Vineyard Haven Garcia Alan 121 L
5 Everyday Heroes Prado E S 119 L
6 Despite the Odds Rose J 119 L
7 Prince Joshua Maragh R 119 L
8 Flat Bold Dominguez R A 117 L
9 Big Drama Coa E M 119 L


A-Coupled: Vineyard Haven and Everyday Heroes


----

Unfortunately Vineyard Haven and Everyday Heroes are coupled..

King Glorious 08-26-2009 03:19 PM

Looking forward to this much more than the Travers.

Coach Pants 08-26-2009 03:31 PM

A stellar field of 7.

I'll be golfing.

King Glorious 08-26-2009 03:35 PM

Gonna have to leave QR off of all win spots. Think he's best horse but too much to overcome. Gonna lean to Kensei for the win and Summer Bird for second.

declansharbor 08-26-2009 04:01 PM

I'm all over Kensei, in any spot, until he proves me otherwise. I also felt this about Munnings, so...He'll be back with a vengence though.

Travis Stone 08-26-2009 04:08 PM

Always an awesome race...

Indian Charlie 08-26-2009 04:10 PM

Let's try to guess who pg1985 likes in here. I'm going with VH as my guess.

declansharbor 08-26-2009 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Let's try to guess who pg1985 likes in here. I'm going with VH as my guess.

Too bad that Quality Road isnt in here as well. He will win every G1 race ever run, no matter the distance or surface.

RockHardTen1985 08-26-2009 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Let's try to guess who pg1985 likes in here. I'm going with VH as my guess.


He won't be on any of my tickets, the entry will beat me.

RockHardTen1985 08-26-2009 04:21 PM

I will lean on 1,9 and use 6,8 a little.

eajinabi 08-26-2009 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
I'm all over Kensei, in any spot, until he proves me otherwise. I also felt this about Munnings, so...He'll be back with a vengence though.


Munnings is in the Kings Bishop

CSC 08-26-2009 04:27 PM

History says in the last 20 years the Derby and Belmont winners have done very well in the Travers. 2 Birds were better than one...

VOL JACK 08-26-2009 04:35 PM

The rider switch on Hold Me Back is 3 races too late.
Ill mess around with trying to get him in the exacta and tri with QR mainly on top.

RockHardTen1985 08-26-2009 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
The rider switch on Hold Me Back is 3 races too late.
Ill mess around with trying to get him in the exacta and tri with QR mainly on top.



I kinda like this.

NTamm1215 08-26-2009 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I will lean on 1,9 and use 6,8 a little.

I think you should absolutely pound the 9.

NT

Indian Charlie 08-26-2009 04:56 PM

I think it would be funny if Candyman wins this while QR runs 5th.

declansharbor 08-26-2009 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I think you should absolutely pound the 9.

NT

Gauranteed money. :D

RockHardTen1985 08-26-2009 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I think you should absolutely pound the 9.

NT

He's the one Im worried about, but a fellow dt member loves him.

declansharbor 08-26-2009 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
He's the one Im worried about, but a fellow dt member loves him.

There is no 9 horse. that's the joke.

RockHardTen1985 08-26-2009 06:03 PM

[quote=declansharbor]There is no 9 horse. that's the joke.[/QUOTE

LOL

CSC 08-27-2009 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alysheba4
quality road should be about 1-5 against these sleds.

This is how I see it by post time for the top 3:

Quality Road 4/5
Kensei 3/1
Summer Bird 7/2

The only question mark is Chartible Man with the Ramon effect, he is often overbet and has the potential to skew the oddsboard.

johnny pinwheel 08-27-2009 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
This is how I see it by post time for the top 3:

Quality Road 4/5
Kensei 3/1
Summer Bird 7/2

The only question mark is Chartible Man with the Ramon effect, he is often overbet and has the potential to skew the oddsboard.

QR can win this race but at 4/5, i have to take a chance against him. hes been out, hes never been the distance. besides i hate 4/5 shots. they call it gambling. if i wanted to play it safe . i'd play bridge with grandma!

CSC 08-27-2009 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel
QR can win this race but at 4/5, i have to take a chance against him. hes been out, hes never been the distance. besides i hate 4/5 shots. they call it gambling. if i wanted to play it safe . i'd play bridge with grandma!

I wouldn't touch him at his projected odds, however I respect him and he is strictly the horse to beat in my opinion, he looks to sit a great trip even with JV riding who I like to refer to as the "Mike Smith on the eastern seaboard." To me he and Summer Bird are the clear standouts in this race without RA and MTB in the field.

Gander 08-27-2009 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
I will lean on 1,9 and use 6,8 a little.

He wont be on any of your tickets, yet you are leaning on the 1,9?
Isnt Vineyard Haven the 1?
And "lean"? You been watching too many handicapping seminars and reading too many Crist Blogs. Invent your own lingo. The chicks will dig you more. Be original.

Sightseek 08-27-2009 08:07 PM

Quality Road paddock schooling:

http://www.saratogainsider.blogspot.com/

RockHardTen1985 08-27-2009 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander
He wont be on any of your tickets, yet you are leaning on the 1,9?
Isnt Vineyard Haven the 1?
And "lean"? You been watching too many handicapping seminars and reading too many Crist Blogs. Invent your own lingo. The chicks will dig you more. Be original.

O god, I was using the numbers that were posted. This race is really tough for me, because I think Munnings and Big Drama lay over them, but I also feel its the best spot in the pick 4 to find a price. Flat Bold might be ok, and the Rose/Trombetta is ok... I will lean on the main 2, and use the other 2.

Travis Stone 08-29-2009 09:15 AM

This is a nuts conclusion. I bet Hold Me Back in the Derby, he put in a nifty middle move down the backstretch which was obviously a bit too early. He's never run a big race on dirt but if you consider his move in the Derby, I think he can handle it.

To me the Travers this year is: Can Quality Road handle the stretch-out off little races? And if not, who can jump-up? On Beyers, Summer Bird and Kensei fit the jump-up model. But I don't know if Kensei wants 10 furlongs with his A-game, and Summer Bird, though a useful horse, would have been fourth in the Belmont if it were at 10 furlongs. And in the Haskell, he beat-out Munnings who was obviously out of his comfort zone.

So, while both Summer Bird and Kensei could win, I can't get too excited about betting either of them at shorter prices. And Quality Road in my opinion is one of the most talented horses we've seen in a while, but he's really up against it today.

So, why not take a stab and have some fun? I'm not certainly not taking out a loan against my dog, but he'll be a price on a crazy, wet day.

Enjoy everyone!

Danzig 08-29-2009 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
This is a nuts conclusion. I bet Hold Me Back in the Derby, he put in a nifty middle move down the backstretch which was obviously a bit too early. He's never run a big race on dirt but if you consider his move in the Derby, I think he can handle it.

To me the Travers this year is: Can Quality Road handle the stretch-out off little races? And if not, who can jump-up? On Beyers, Summer Bird and Kensei fit the jump-up model. But I don't know if Kensei wants 10 furlongs with his A-game, and Summer Bird, though a useful horse, would have been fourth in the Belmont if it were at 10 furlongs. And in the Haskell, he beat-out Munnings who was obviously out of his comfort zone.

So, while both Summer Bird and Kensei could win, I can't get too excited about betting either of them at shorter prices. And Quality Road in my opinion is one of the most talented horses we've seen in a while, but he's really up against it today.

So, why not take a stab and have some fun? I'm not certainly not taking out a loan against my dog, but he'll be a price on a crazy, wet day.

Enjoy everyone!


all good points. altho i would have to think if the belmont were 10f, summer bird would have been moved earlier to make up for two less panels.

at any rate, i would definitely put a few on our edge, as i think if a race could be won by a longer shot, this is one of them. question marks hovering over all the faves.

chip woolley has got to be kicking himself for declaring mine that bird-after his romp in the slop at churchill, this race probably would have been right up his alley.

Travis Stone 08-29-2009 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
chip woolley has got to be kicking himself for declaring mine that bird-after his romp in the slop at churchill, this race probably would have been right up his alley.

He wanted to run, the decision to opt-out came from above.

DaTruth 08-29-2009 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
This is a nuts conclusion. I bet Hold Me Back in the Derby, he put in a nifty middle move down the backstretch which was obviously a bit too early. He's never run a big race on dirt but if you consider his move in the Derby, I think he can handle it.

To me the Travers this year is: Can Quality Road handle the stretch-out off little races? And if not, who can jump-up? On Beyers, Summer Bird and Kensei fit the jump-up model. But I don't know if Kensei wants 10 furlongs with his A-game, and Summer Bird, though a useful horse, would have been fourth in the Belmont if it were at 10 furlongs. And in the Haskell, he beat-out Munnings who was obviously out of his comfort zone.

So, while both Summer Bird and Kensei could win, I can't get too excited about betting either of them at shorter prices. And Quality Road in my opinion is one of the most talented horses we've seen in a while, but he's really up against it today.

So, why not take a stab and have some fun? I'm not certainly not taking out a loan against my dog, but he'll be a price on a crazy, wet day.

Enjoy everyone!

Summer Bird will win the Travers and then lose to a La-bred in the Super Derby.

Travis Stone 08-29-2009 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaTruth
Summer Bird will win the Travers and then lose to a La-bred in the Super Derby.

What La-bred?!

King Glorious 08-29-2009 11:20 AM

Victory Ride:
1. Bold Union
2. Sky Haven
3. Sara Louise
4. Selva

Ballston Spa:
1. Rutherienne
2. Teamgeist
3. Cocoa Beach
4. My Princess Jess

Ballerina:
1. Indian Blessing
2. Informed Decision
3. Tar Heel Mom
4. PSU Grad

King's Bishop:
1. Big Drama
2. Capt Candyman Can
3. Munnings
4. Vineyard Haven

Travers:
1. Kensei
2. Charitable Man
3. Quality Road
4. Our Edge

Mike 08-29-2009 02:20 PM

Going with Closeout, hoping he handles the wet grass;
Capt. Candyman, in the slop, of course

Straight tri Quality Road-Charitable Man-Summer Bird

Cannon Shell 08-29-2009 03:09 PM

US turf horses suck

King Glorious 08-29-2009 03:46 PM

Well, Music Note domintated. Didn't expect to see her on the lead a half mile into the race and when I thought IB was going to run by her, she had other ideas and won off with extreme ease. Did not see that one coming. Congrats to Godolphin.

eajinabi 08-29-2009 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
US turf horses suck

For real. That Euro had no workouts on US Soil and had only 1 maiden win to his credit. He was dead last coming off the turn on Soft Ground with a pace slower than grandma.

King Glorious 08-29-2009 04:16 PM

Win or lose, that was a huge effort by Vineyard Haven.

Oh yeah, he's gotta come down.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:23 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.