Biancone Returns to New York
 

Zip Quik, trained by racing's favorite snake charmer, is entered in Thursday's Saratoga Special. Rather than running around trying to enact silly rules about forcing owners and trainers to produce medication logs "on demand", maybe the New York State Racing and Wagering Board should focus on their licensing protocols. If they are really concerned about "integrity" issues, how is this guy allowed to race here in New York? And why did NYRA accept this entry?

They accepted the entry because Biancone served the suspension he was given by the jurisdiction in which he was caught cheating.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a joke but why should NYRA get the blame for allowing a trainer whose never been caught doing anything under their jurisdiction to run a horse? The game is so badly fragmented when it comes to violators and violations so blaming NYRA is not exactly fair.

NT

Nothing says that they have to take the entry, or that NYSRWB has to license him. The whole point of the "in house" Mullins hearing was supposedly to determine whether NYRA would deny him stalls, refuse entries, etc., in addition to NYSRWB penalty.

What difference does it make if he was caught violating the rules in Kentucky or New York, especially given the severity of the violation and his past history. Does anyone have the guts to say "enough is enough"? NYRA had no problem denying stalls to Michael Gill a few years ago, and if my memory is correct, he had no history in NY prior to that decision.

His daughters are pretty hot and the guy is a terrific trainer. What is a lil bitty vile of cobra juice anyhow?? lol

Let the daughters come to New York.

He's only an 8% trainer this year without Dr. Stewart around.

I love Patrick and his horse has a big shot.

Interestingly Dr. Stewart is working for a high profile show jumper.

Good to see him back.I hope he can pair up with Julian L again.

who's that? Just dont tell me Laura Kraut.. or Bz madden..

Neither of them.

Tracks all over the country were fast enough to deny entry to the grounds to those jockeys who were 'under investigation' for that supposed race-fixing scandal a couple of years ago, and none of them has been ever charged or convicted of anything that I've read about.

He's on Zip Quick.

From today's Saratogian:

http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2...2641069026.txt

Just wondering...has there ever been a boycott by the wagering public against a trainer? If there was a boycott, would Saratoga or NYRA or whatever track involved really care?

only 8%, he must be snake bit !

Would it be understated to say that the quality of the Vet is just as important as the quality of Trainer or Horse today.

And what about All Along whom Biancone trained, does her Trainer's indiscretions taint her legacy a tad?

this horse hasent had a published work on the dirt. im playing against..

If you are going to ban him,then the rest must be banned also.Then you won't have any trainers left to train horses.He is no worse than Assmussen,Pletcher,or Dutrow.

The author oughta let us know how he really feels about him - geez, that was a bludgeoning

Sure you will, unless you think everyone is "dirty."

If I was a horse owner I'd be embarrassed to have horses with him. I would train my own horses before he got his hands on him. Its an embarrassment to the game that he's allowed to train again.

I think there are plenty of cheaters in all sports, I don't see why Biancone should be vilified more than the others. He's no worse than a Roger Clemons, Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, Manny and Ortiz...the vast majority of the supposed greatest atheletes are all on something that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow with me anymore.

Oh yea :rolleyes: injecting cobra venom to block pain so a horse can basically break its freaking leg and not feel it is the same as putting a needle in your OWN ass so you can hit a baseball farther. :rolleyes:

Biancone risked the health of defenseless animals. He's a lot closer to Vick & Paragallo than Clemons, Jones, Armstrong, Manny and Ortiz.

Biancone and his old vet should not be around horses. He's a scumbag.

PANTS HITS A HOMER AGAIN!!

And let's not forget the riders of the other horses in those races.

[quote=Antitrust32]Oh yea :rolleyes: injecting cobra venom to block pain so a horse can basically break its freaking leg and not feel it is the same as putting a needle in your OWN ass so you can hit a baseball farther. :rolleyes:

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This is a very broad statement, there are some drugs such as EPO or HGH that improve muscle mass or that enhances oxygen to the blood vessles. I'm not sure I would compare Biancone to a Mark Shulman when he had the Gill stable, I'm simply saying drugs are a part of sport and I am not certainly not astonished anymore when these things are reported. Judging by how many second and third chances many of these high profile offenders have had, various administrations seem to be taking the apathetic viewpoint also.

Just to play the devil's advocate, couldn't a horse breakdown if they were clean? Horseracing is a risky sport healthwise anyway you want to view it.

Without question, but injecting a horse with cobra venom is certainly increasing the chance of a breakdown. In doing so, he's showing direct disdain for the health of his horse and rider, and indirectly for the other riders and horses in the race.

Lieutenant Frank Drebin also reported that Biancone suspension was one of those " MLB Steve Howe type of suspensions "

He's always sharp as a tack:

Frank: I want answers Cherrycakes.
Tanya: I love you
Frank: Wrong answer. I dropped out of the sap of the month club a long time ago. Now you've got one more chance Angel Drawers-and not one of those major league baseball Steve Howe kind of last chances either.

[quote=CSC]
I wasnt talking about EPO, HGH... was talking about Biancone and COBRA VENOM. thats why he was suspended... COBRA VENOM!!! the vet and Biancone are exactly on the same level as Shulman and Gill...

makes the horse feel no pain at all. Its very dangerous. Its not fun to see a horse trying to still run with his leg flopping around because its broke and the horse doesnt know it.

I would have much rather him being caught milkshaking or with HGH.. and thats a sad statement.

[quote=Antitrust32]I dont think CSC understands how dangerous snake venom is, its possibly the worst thing you can give to a horse. You might as well have the horse nerved, its the same difference. Were not talking about putting a horse at risk for its future, were talking about putting 9 other horses and all jockey's in that race at risk of death. Putting a horse with no feeling in their legs on the track is just plain EVIL.

No one was convicted of INJECTING this in a horse.It was found in a refrigerator in his office,and it belonged to the Vet.You guys have no proof whatsoever that Biancone or the vet ever used this on a horse.You are just ASS-UMING!

He did his time, I wish he would bring all of his horses back to NY and have Julian be his go to rider again. Those were the days.

Agreed.

I guess but if you had a bullet to your head which way are you going?

I would say, fine he did it, but has now served his time and should be allowed to train.

Agreed

I wouldn't say he did it,but it is over,he did time,and life goes on.He should be allowed to train away.