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RockHardTen1985 08-17-2009 07:13 PM

I hope they can get this done....
 
http://www.drf.com/news/article/106455.html

hockey2315 08-17-2009 07:28 PM

They're only adding $400K? Should've made it more. . . Not really that big of a draw $ wise for Zenyatta's connections.

HaloWishingwell 08-18-2009 07:06 PM

Might as well keep waiting for Barry Sanders

SOREHOOF 08-18-2009 07:16 PM

It would be foolish to bring Zenyatta for a race with Rachel at Belmont. The track favors horses with Rachel's style. It would take her out of her routine leading up to the Synthetic Breeder's Cup that was the year long goal. Best we can hope for is they both stay around for another year and meet up in Churchill's Breeders Cup.

hockey2315 08-18-2009 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
It would be foolish to bring Zenyatta for a race with Rachel at Belmont. The track favors horses with Rachel's style. It would take her out of her routine leading up to the Synthetic Breeder's Cup that was the year long goal. Best we can hope for is they both stay around for another year and meet up in Churchill's Breeders Cup.

Right. If they're looking for a fair surface it's definitely Churchill. :rolleyes:

SOREHOOF 08-18-2009 07:20 PM

I think Saratoga would be a fair surface. That won't happen at this point.

ateamstupid 08-18-2009 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
It would be foolish to bring Zenyatta for a race with Rachel at Belmont. The track favors horses with Rachel's style. It would take her out of her routine leading up to the Synthetic Breeder's Cup that was the year long goal. Best we can hope for is they both stay around for another year and meet up in Churchill's Breeders Cup.

How exactly does Belmont favor horses with Rachel's style?

NTamm1215 08-18-2009 08:22 PM

Yeah, I mean who wouldn't want to run Zenyatta, who has an incomprehensibly long stride and massive size, on the largest dirt track in North America?

NT

Danzig 08-18-2009 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
It would be foolish to bring Zenyatta for a race with Rachel at Belmont. The track favors horses with Rachel's style. It would take her out of her routine leading up to the Synthetic Breeder's Cup that was the year long goal. Best we can hope for is they both stay around for another year and meet up in Churchill's Breeders Cup.


zenyatta to be bred in the spring.

SniperSB23 08-18-2009 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
How exactly does Belmont favor horses with Rachel's style?

It's dirt, not plastic.

Scav 08-18-2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
zenyatta to be bred in the spring.

Mortal lock she get nailed by Giants Causeway....

freddymo 08-18-2009 09:08 PM

Not sure how or why the purse means anything to anyone other then the trainers.. You can't make the purse much more then a mil because then it could be viewed as overwhelming the BC Distaff which is suppose to be the Championship.

NYRA needs to get this done..They will get 65k at the gate if they pull this off

freddymo 08-18-2009 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Mortal lock she get nailed by Giants Causeway....

I challenge..Where is my red flag

Scav 08-18-2009 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I challenge..Where is my red flag

If you owned Zenyatta, where would you send her?

freddymo 08-18-2009 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
If you owned Zenyatta, where would you send her?

She is a very big animal.. I haven't looked at any reference guides. I few come to mind immediately. Pulpit, Ap Indy, Speightstown(she could use a little speed), Tiznow, M'doro..My first would be Pulpit and second would be Indy but I have to qualify the thoughts as completely guesses at this time.

Scav 08-18-2009 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
She is a very big animal.. I haven't looked at any reference guides. I few come to mind immediately. Pulpit, Ap Indy, Speightstown(she could use a little speed), Tiznow, M'doro..My first would be Pulpit and second would be Indy but I have to qualify the thoughts as completely guesses at this time.

Maybe AP Indy, but she isn't going to Tiznow or O'ro or even Pulpit. Why go to Pulpit when you can go to AP Indy??

Stop it with the Speightstown love

parsixfarms 08-18-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
If you owned Zenyatta, where would you send her?

With so many of the "high-end" stallions from the Mr. Prospector line, you'd have to think AP Indy, who recently produced Test winner Flashing out of a Machiavellian mare and has shown a pretty good affinity for mares from the Mr. Prospector line (for example, 17% SW from both Mr. Prospector and Seeking the Gold mares, from a pretty large sampling). At 16.2 hands, Medaglia D'Oro might not be the best choice for a mare Zenyatta's size.

freddymo 08-18-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Maybe AP Indy, but she isn't going to Tiznow or O'ro or even Pulpit. Why go to Pulpit when you can go to AP Indy??

Stop it with the Speightstown love


These Speightstowns are off the friggin charts so far. To tell you the truth I think she is so big and so differently made that figuring out what matches her physically is incredibly important. I think its tough to go wrong with AP Indy and he ain't getting any younger so I guess I would want him to get first run..when push came to shove. I think it's too soon to go to Bernardini although he is one fine looking stallion.

freddymo 08-18-2009 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
With so many of the "high-end" stallions from the Mr. Prospector line, you'd have to think AP Indy, who recently produced Test winner Flashing out of a Machiavellian mare and has shown a pretty good affinity for mares from the Mr. Prospector line (for example, 17% SW from both Mr. Prospector and Seeking the Gold mares, from a pretty large sampling). At 16.2 hands, Medaglia D'Oro might not be the best choice for a mare Zenyatta's size.


Breed her to Midnight Lute and get a Monster Truck

Sightseek 08-18-2009 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Breed her to Midnight Lute and get a Monster Truck

:D

Breed her to a little guy who won the Belmont.

parsixfarms 08-18-2009 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
:D

Breed her to a little guy who won the Belmont.


Jazil??

Sightseek 08-18-2009 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Jazil??

It was a joke.

letswastemoney 08-18-2009 10:23 PM

it would be fun to watch Birdstone mount Zenyatta

Sightseek 08-18-2009 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
it would be fun to watch Birdstone mount Zenyatta

Sumitas is that you?

parsixfarms 08-18-2009 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
It was a joke.

So was my post.

freddymo 08-18-2009 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
it would be fun to watch Birdstone mount Zenyatta

Step stool in the shed?

ateamstupid 08-18-2009 10:40 PM

I like where this thread is going.

GPK 08-18-2009 11:16 PM

Could you imagine English Channels little runt ass trying to get a piece of Zenyatta!!

Indian Charlie 08-18-2009 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
If you owned Zenyatta, where would you send her?

If I owned her, I'd also own Giacamo and Tiago.

SOREHOOF 08-19-2009 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
How exactly does Belmont favor horses with Rachel's style?

Belmont favors speed. Especially controllable speed. Belmont is not typically a closers paradise.

Pedigree Ann 08-19-2009 01:12 PM

Northern Dancer bred some larger mares, even though he was vertically challenged himself. I think he had a ramp for help with altitude. Unfortunately, 'fish and fowl' matings (those with parents from extreme ends of the spectrum) often end up one or the other, not the average. She probably needs an 'average' sized mate to keep her baby from being so big it won't fit in the gate.

freddymo 08-19-2009 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
If I owned her, I'd also own Giacamo and Tiago.

1 out of 3 ain't bad

Indian Charlie 08-19-2009 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
1 out of 3 ain't bad

I meant that in the context of who'd they would be likely to breed Zenyatta with.

freddymo 08-19-2009 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
I meant that in the context of who'd they would be likely to breed Zenyatta with.


If they bred Zenyatta to either of those slugs I would pikit with PETA.. Talk about cruelty to animals two super slugs getting near "her majesty" is propostorous

Indian Charlie 08-19-2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
If they bred Zenyatta to either of those slugs I would pikit with PETA.. Talk about cruelty to animals two super slugs getting near "her majesty" is propostorous

Many times owners have bred great mares to suspect stallions in hopes of building up the reputation for that stallion.

Though not quite the case with this one I'm posting here, check out this for a great absurdity:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/prawn+cocktail

A better example of a prize mare going to a terrible stallion to build up that stallion is this one:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/final+legacy

That one is not nearly as big an absurdity though.

RockHardTen1985 08-19-2009 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
I meant that in the context of who'd they would be likely to breed Zenyatta with.


Giants Causeway

Indian Charlie 08-20-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985
Giants Causeway

The question was who will Zenyatta be bred to.

Not who you'd like to be bred with.

TitanSooner 08-20-2009 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
The question was who will Zenyatta be bred to.

Not who you'd like to be bred with.

:tro:

letswastemoney 08-20-2009 01:52 AM

I predict Tiago.

johnny pinwheel 08-20-2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
How exactly does Belmont favor horses with Rachel's style?

i had to wonder the same thing. the sweeping turn is perfect for zenyatta. if anything, belmont is probably the closest thing to a neutral site. the motivation is that zenyatta has got to win in something other than whats shes been in. unless she wins the classic(even that might not be enough), rachel will be horse of the year. won the oaks by 20. ran in the preakness, beat the boys. shipped to belmont, won by 20 again. beat the boys again in the haskell. i believe shes raced on 5 tracks now and won and her season isn't even fininished. who knows what she will accomplish next. if things go right for her! meanwhile zenyatta beats that same sorry division out there, sometimes barely. the owner almost has to make a move because rachel accomplishments are beginning to overshadow anything seen in recent history. plus the fact, we the fans, deserve this race for supporting thoroughbred racing. years ago they made it happen. even when horses were shipped by train, for crying out loud! this could make the whole year for racing, its a shame if it doesn't!


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