Maram....
 

Returns Saturday, what does everyone think of her in this spot?
I thought she was vulnerable and at least 4 of these could beat her.

She should be very vulnerable but I'm not leaving her off my ticket.

FYI,

In todays version of Talkin' Horses from the NYRA website, Andy Serling mentioned he couldn't wait to bet against her tomorrow. He didn't elaborate today but I'm sure he'll give details on the show tomorrow.

Hmmmmmmmmm.................

I think Andy's right but its doesn't mean she still can't win. I wouldn't bet her straight but on a spread Pick 4 I have to include her.

She's beating me. The Mott might be ok.

I cant wait to bet her then.

:tro:

Every horse is vulnerable in every race. Of course you should always look at the odds and determine if you are getting the value that you think you should but I really think some people take the concept of not playing a horse simply because it's a favorite a little too far. I mean, favorites do win sometimes.

I saw she won, but didn't watch to see if it actually ran a lot better than how weak it looked on paper. There has to be rivals or a bias or a distance or something otherwise it's just a possible slight underlay.

She keyed my $14,000 pick 4 I hit :)

LOL... I wont comment.

I was wrong about her, I still think any trip handicapper will tell you that the 2,10 might have been best.

Posted the screen shot from my youbet account :)
http://trackphantomforum.com/index.php?topic=58.0

I actually had the 5 and 8....wouldve loved the 5 to beat Maram

Nice hit bud. I would've been alive to Miss Dolan's Rose had I played my ticket which was 96 bucks but I didn't end up playing and would've lost in the last sixteenth anyway which might have made me ill so glad somebody here hit it.

I never said you did not hit, I was talking about Maram. I just did not like her much, she beat me out of a few plays.
Nice hit.

In all honesty, I spent about 3 minutes 'capping it and putting the bet together. I actually liked the 5 but thought Maram was the most likely winner on paper...but...but...I don't really follow NY racing so I'm sure there were a multitude of reasons why others made more sense. I just got lucky.

I did, however, have a legitimate angle on Flashing...so the hit wasn't all pure luck.

Well done on the ticket and congratulations because luck was on your side...but what was your angle on Flashing?

NT

Only one that would make much sense would be the turn-back, right?

One of my absolutely favorite angles and it's an angle that has been the KEY in the three biggest payoffs of my life.

I look for any runner that has been routing, preferably at 1 mile 70 or 1 mile 1/16 and has good early speed, preferably sitting right on the pace, not neccesarily setting the pace and cutting back to either 6 1/2 or 7 furlongs.

It kind of makes sense. They can get into the race early enough without having to be overly exerted and will typically have an acceleartion in mid stretch that other sprinters don't have.

Believe me....that angle works!!! Put it in your bag.

I liked Flashing a lot. So did Andy and a few others on here.

I'm sure NTAMM is familiar w/ that angle.

I thought Maram was a two-fist bet against today. I was dead wrong. Kudos to them.

I was dead wrong too. I tossed her from my late P4, ouch :zz:

Someone mentioned to me, which i didn't even realize, that I get an extra 10% bonus because I did it on Youbet. Another almost $1400 in the account on Monday. That is pretty cool since I didn't even know.

A bit.

I was expecting something ground-breaking or innovative but I suppose the cutback angle is strong enough to take a stand.

I wasn't too keen on Flashing because I thought the Nassau County was an absolute staggerfest and she just lucked into the win. She proved best today in a race that was both uninspiring on paper and in actuality in my opinion.

NT

That's the angle that works on dirt but not on turf, right?:rolleyes:

In my opinion, that is correct.

That's the consensus among the ANGLEicians on this and other sites.

Maybe after Serling and his boys witness a couple hundred more turf cutback winners (today's 11th for the most recent example) this will finally get 'revised'. Officially, I hold off betting all these types until 'official' word comes down.

You really have no clue about Mr. Serling and the way he handicaps. He doesn't hold any one thing (angle) in such high regard. All the data is part of the solution. Sometimes there isn't much data and the angles have more weight in his decision making, sometimes they hold vitually no weight. What makes him so good is diseminating all the information not being dogmatic to a specific discipline. Does he like cutbacks? Sure when he thinks the horse is better suited for a shorter race..There are plenty of times he dismisses the cutbacks.

What's the phrase for that? Something about statistics, I believe.

Freddy

You really need to CHILL. Searling is constantly saying that CUTBACKS don't work on turf. The last time he wore the duncecap, it was because of a turf cutback horse at BEL. Of course, he's even stronger against turf sprinters stretching out.

But thanks for the lesson on handicapping methodology.

Don't worry about it, I still think Colonel John is a two-fist, 1 foot bet against in that turf race he won at Delmar a few weeks ago. There are plenty of dunce caps to go around here.