Zenyetta vs Racheal
 

Wow, what a match up this would be. If Racheal goes to the Spa, will she get the mile and quarter distance? You gotta think she feel some pace pressure out front.

head to head, rachel would win because of their running styles. as for the ten furlongs, i don't think she would have a proble. as for pace pressure, rachel is far from a need the lead type-altho she has won from up front, she most certainly has won from a stalking position more than once. zenyatta is one dimensional, whereas rachel is anything but. that said, zenyatta is a very nice mare, altho you have to wonder if she will ever pay the price for her come from behind style.

I really need to caption the two chickens photo so I don't have to go over the script again and again. I have a feeling these threads will send me to the brink of nerdy trail insanity in the next 3 months.

Who is Racheal?

You vs. spelling.

Synthetic race with decent field....Zenyatta wins

Match race....Rachel wins

Dirt race with decent field......toss up

Agreed, although RA's recent stalking trips make me lean towards her on the dirt more now.

Zenyatta's figs are lower, but I don't trust poly figs. They may still be a work in progress.

Seems simple enough to me

Z's the undefeated, undisputed champ.

RA is the young challenger which has yet to face older competition.

If RA wants to be the champ, she needs to come out to the champ's house this fall and take on the undefeated champ in the BIGGEST event of the year.

How many wins does Rachel have this year? And Zenyatta?

That's much too simple.

Let's assume that Z wins the BC Classic, beating the BEST in THE WORLD. And RA is in her stall while this is happening (after having beaten up on the usual suspects in some race at BEL previously).

Hard to make a case for R as horse of the year, IMO.

Wouldn't RA be in a singular distinction if she can be equally as good on synth as she is on dirt? Isn't that worth an attempt in The BC? At times I think we make too much of this debate. A great horse, a truly great horse does not need excuses. I pointed out Secretariat's example of trying a new surface(turf) after the tc and beating older horses later that year on dirt. This is not ground breaking stuff we are talking about. Who knows maybe she can do it, Curlin tried it and ran his race, (in the same neighbourhood beyer boys) he just got beat, the surface did not beat him, a very good horse did. He ran exactly to his mediocre 2 races prior. This surface excuse is just a not too inconvenient truth if one asks me.

I was being extremely tongue in cheek with my response.

Z winning the BC Classic would be a huge possible game changer. It depends on what she does between now and then. Right now, she's a lot of lengths behind Rachel Alexandra, who has a few pretty big wins to her name while Zenyatta has just one.

The thing is... Zenyatta has had every chance to elevate herself without having to ship out of California. Hollywood Gold Cup, for example. I hope she does it in the Pacific Classic, because time is running out.

If Curlin ran his '07 BC Classic race in '08, it might have a different result. He definitely had lost a step.

Yes! Finally someone who shares the surface didn't beat him side. Gracious amigo...

Maybe he lost a step but even if the hadn't he wasn't winning with the setup he got. No horse was making one of the earlier moves in that race and holding on to the wire. While the connections came away with a distaste for POLY, for me, it exposed them as just being lazy and ignorant. They obviously didn't do any research into POLY as opposed to dirt setups and sacrificed the horse, expecting him to win with a dirt type run. No reason why, if he were reserved early and came with the last flow, he's not right there at the end. And now we need to pick it up yet again with RA. What's the problem? She has enough speed to be able sit the absolutely perfect DRAFTING TRIP. Just ask Goldikova. She'll be able to control the race. Suck Up and don't bid till midstretch. And they don't want to run her.

This is almost as bad as the horseplayers who refuse easy money by not playing POLY.

Easy money huh?

Fatty is stuffed with Woodbine cash...Didn't ya know?

Definitely the case after yesterday's 2nd. Two 6:1 shots returning $150.

You probably get better value at the SPaaaaaaaaaaaaaah though, right?

No way he ever could've run his '07 BCC race at last year's Cup.




He had to pass a 'roid test before that race..............

Yeah your right, poly never gets sloppy after a monsoon. :rolleyes:

Congrats always happy when people make some cash

Jason Alexander's been beating up on mediocre colts and some really bad fillies.


She'll probably duck QR in the Travers ... and have her way with more bad comp somewhere else.



Z would school her if they ever met out west...

Jason Alexander's HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats the funniest thing Ive ever heard. :rolleyes:

More bad Company???? Yeah, Munnings and Summer Bird really suck.

Z would school her??? The way she SCHOOLED those crows Sunday?

Please STOP!!!

It's not clear how RA would do on proride, so it's easier to say Z would win on the west coast

Lol ... yeah, those two look like real monsters, VJ


A Speightstown colt in a two-turn 9f affair ... now there's a real formidable competitor ... lol




Z would own her at the BC...

On that surface sure. Not on dirt though.

I agree about the QR part, I dont think they want any part of him.

Don't they also have Kensei? I'm sure they don't want to throw Rachel and Kensei in the same race if they can divide and conquer the Travers and Woodward potentially. Plus if Kensei doesn't beat QR it's less of a problem for Jackson's plans than if RA were to lose. The Woodward just seems like a really nice spot in that she'd go a furlong less and against older males in a race never won by a filly it would really be historic too. I also think people are just blowing off poor Mine That Bird. The horse, when ridden the way he needs to be, is dangerous at 1 1/4. I'm actually looking forward to seeing him in the Travers, RA or no RA.

Sign of the apocalypse:

Someone saying Zenyatta is better than Rachel because the competition Rachel has faced is weak.

NT

Read the Stocks thread.

Read the Curlin thread

Read the USC thread

Does Zenyatta and TVG's fascination with her remind anyone of USC? It does for me, especially for all of those years when they played in the Rose Bowl and literally left the West Coast 0 times.

NT

make it stop

I think its more likely if they were to face off in the Classic to end the year they would both be looking up the tailpipes of a Euro at the wire.

I do think it's ironic when the NYRA lovers accuse anyone else of a bias. And that has nothing to do with USC...agreed

I agree, I too am looking forward to MTB in The Travers. Has taken to the track really well, loves his new surrourndings, had a really nice work out today.
He's been flying under the radar,of sorts. I look for a huge effort on the 29th.

:wf

Yeah, I forgot, everyone is quivering at the sight of seeing Anabaa's Creation and Lethal Heat in a Grade 1 race...please, Zenyatta is beating NW3X and G3 at best quality fields in California. Rachel would dust Zenyatta...But I forgot, Anabaa's Creation and Lethal Heat are better than Summer Bird and Munnings. You might want to come back when you find a clue.

No way. She has run more often and traveled all over. Not only that, she has totally dominated her competition.

Zenyatta has yet to leave the comfy confines of SoCal and done nothing but beat up on high priced claimers, some barely.

If Rachel was in the race yesterday, she'd win geared down by 5 minimum.

It doesnt matter if she travelled or not. If Zenyatta beat older males in the BC Classic, it would trump anything that Rachel did the entire year.

Not really when it is run on polytrack, or Proride, or whatever is installed that week. Everyone knows it is a third surface.