The worst take down in history?
 

DelMar Race 9...

Yes I am biased, as the 2 gave me a decent Pick 4 score. But seriously, i cannot believe they took this horse down. Those are your buddies Vic, and I have no idea how they could explain that one. Did he come in? Yes. But that happens 6 out of 9 races a day.

These are the same scumbags that let C Sutherland HERD at ****in' will.

This was just flat out THEFT.

A jock claim, no less.
Anywhere else, and this is looked at for a few seconds and tossed.


This is worse than when I got taken down last year with Seaspeak. This is like a ****in' joke in this game.

"Those are your buddies Vic"

What does Vic have to do with a DQ ? Who cares who he is/is not friends with ? No reasson at all to mention him in your post.

I think you got jobbed, but I dont count. Breath deep and let it goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

A while back (a little over a year ago) Vic posed a question to us:

"Hey kids. I was sitting chatting with the stewards today. The subject of the stewards announcing and explaining thier own decisions again came up. Not long after Chairman Shapiro stopped by and joined the conversation. I'm not gonna tell you our opinions on the matter. I want yours.

I know there was a thread on this on another site a few weeks back but it did get much play. I really want to hear from you the fans. Believe me your voice on this one will be considered.

Please this one time don't use this thread to bash the CHRB or say the stewards suck. On this one let's try and stick to the initial subject matter.

Thanks in advance for all your responses.

Looking forward to hearing what you think.

Cheers

Goofy"

That's what I meant when I said "I have no idea how they could explain this".

Very difficult to do...The stewards stole $900 bucks from me...

After watching the replay, I had to look at the chart to see what the trouble was all about. Maybe the head on shot shows differently, but I don't think the second place horse was impeded one bit.

As another poster wrote, let it go. Certainly don't bet tomorrow, or you will likely make bets you otherwise wouldn't make to get your money back.

I will admit, I benefited from this and there was some minor drifting in twice in the stretch. However I could not believe for one second they would take the 2 down. They have let way worse go without changing the order.

If allowed to run in a straight path, the 9 would have won. I have no clue why you think another horse should be allowed to make that 9 have to keep moving in to avoid your horse. The 2 is not clear. This is not allowed. It's grounds for a d.q. This is not a hard call. Why should the connections of the 9 have to put up with that? Don't you see the bump that pushed him sideways? It's not only herding, but contact as well. You can not go as fast when running sideways as when running straight. Why should he be forced to stop running straight?(straight is the more effective way to cover ground.) Your only argument against a d.q. would be what caused your horse to be so wide (in the first place.) A third horse was coming out pretty badly, and Quinonez came out to avoid him(more than M. BAZE wanted to allow him to do.) I only watched the race because you were writing about it. I don't care one way or the other, but that's a foul. I don't know why people would think that's not a foul. It's too bad he fouled. It's one of many ways to lose. Baze will turn right around, and just try to get another horse to win. You, on the other hand, lose money. This is why the bettors are almost always more upset to lose than the jock. The jock has many more opportunities to try again. JOCKS can play again for free. You must pay to play again.

Becuase if they ruled what happened between the 9 and the 2 a foul there could be a dq in every race. The 2 was initially forced wide. May have slightly bumped with the 9 at the top of the stretch, but the 9 came in toward the rail much of the way through the stretch on his own.

At that point the 2 had the jump on the 9; the 2 was AHEAD of the 9. If he came in slightly, he was still ahead and thus had position. In other words, the 9 never was clear and was not entitled to be allowed to BUST through. It's like you forcing your way through with your car when someone ahead of you had changed lanes and beaten you to the path: can't happen, as he's AHEAD of you and he has the right of way. The 2 immediately straightened out then the 9 had the length of the stretch to go past him and DIDN'T.

The fact that the jock claimed tells it all. This is an AUTO toss anywhere else.
When they kept looking at it, I just knew they were going to take him down. Just another case of doing the right thing and getting ****ed.

He came towards the rail, because your horse is forcing him to do so. No, they don't allow this in every race. No, he is not clear of the 9 when he keeps coming in. They don't want to take horses down(out here, it pretty much takes a case where they think the horse would of won if he wasn't fouled.) Fatboy thinks he was clear, but he was not. He was ahead of him, but he wasn't ahead of him enough to come in like that. See how the margin is diminishing late ? That's huge with these people. If you're fouled, you best be making up ground late, or they won't care if you're fouled. Quinonez did a good job of doing that.

I agree with this post. All horses are entitled to a clear and unobstructed path.

The # 2 started in the 9 path and ended up in the 3 path. He won the race by a nose.

This DOES NOT happen in every race every day. In fact it's quite rare.

Had the #2 maintained a straight path none of this discussion would matter.

IMO the stewards made a tough but correct call.

Apparently the steward did not check my XBet wagers to see that I had 10WP on the 9....if they would have, they certainly wouldnt have made that call.:D

Colonel Moldes(and or NAK) forced these two horses out badly. It's much easier to see on the head-on views of the turn. That's(more than anything else) why ya didn't get paid. Up to that point, you had more horse than the 9. After that (it hurt your horse a bit more than the 9,) Baze knew he might have lost his advantage (in run.) Had to be frustrating, and so he starts tapping right handed (to hold his advantage by herding and intimidation.) Gomez would of gotten away with this, but he'd also have done it smoother(and without the mid-stretch bump.)

Watch Fandicapping on TVG tonight. Ken Rudolph is going to have a steward involved with this decision on his show.

I'm sure it will be a straightforward, hard core Q&A session......

Don't play SoCal tracks,end of story.This happens all the time out there.Another horse even LOOKS at another horse and he is taken down.New York would not have even looked at that.Ingrid Fermin and friends at work.Play a different track.

You might want to take a look at the following Vic:

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthr...hlight=chantal


and then come back with some similar BS to explain why THAT horse stayed up and the one yesterday came down. Convince me that yesterday's was much more serious, Vic.:rolleyes:

You must not watch many headons, huh? :rolleyes:

Oh, I'm sure I can come up with many more like that one (this just happened to be one I'd commented on).

Everything is out for me except the BC...i agree

Why take that attitude? Are 15:1 shots so rare to come by? If it's not evident by my posts, I bet this horse as well. Would've collected on the double and win. But I won big elsewhere yesterday, so I just take it as yet another way to be right and still lose.

I'll be damned if I give up DMR (or any of the CALI) tracks because of a single screwup by the stewards. This is like a homerun being erroneously determined to be foul by the umps. Someone who hits 5 a year doesn't get over it; someone hitting 50 a year shrugs it off. Same **** with all the PAST POSTING.

Keep swinging for the fences.

If you were watching last night, you know the frustration for me and 58 Flat Matt was very high. He picked the 2 outright to win and then you had the Pick 4 Posses (4 nimrod California Girls) hit their Pick 4 when the 9 went up. I wanted to hurl.

It happens to me quite a bit in California and I always seem to come out on the short end with their lack of consistancy.

58 Matt is an individual that simply doesn't like for horses to be taken down. Same goes for Mr. B. Same goes for the majority of people that "cover" horse racing. What that brilliance results in is guys like Theriot thinking he can move laterally without even caring whether somebody might be there. You don't think so? What are the chances that Theriot saw the Delta Jackpot a few years ago? Pretty good, right? How much did they allow Gomez to do towards the end of that race? He and Borel destroyed another horse, and they let those two guys deadheat for the win. Pretty much nobody cared about that. A guy like Theriot grows up seeing that, and don't think it's not a big reason why Douglas' career is over. For anybody to think that the 2 horse should be allowed to do what he did last night? You're wrong. You're supporting cheating, and you're supporting dangerous riding. This was a foul. They will overlook it if the horse who fouls is drawing away impressively (or if Gomez committed the foul in question.) The 2 was not drawing away. He did not do that. The margin was decreasing. Therefore, he comes down.

Their general mindset is pretty consistent. They will overlook a foul if the horse who wins is obviously the best horse. They appear inconsistent, because they overlook nearly all of Gomez' fouls(regardless who was the best horse.) On the other side, they go out of their way to punish Espinoza, and Nakatani (he has quite a mouth.) If they didn't know the jocks who rode, then they would be much more consistent.

Check out today's 3rd at AP. The 2nd horse clearly takes the path of the 5 (who finished 3rd) and should've come down. I got shut out trying to play the number and considered myself lucky when they started showing the headon. But it stayed up. Compare this to the trivial **** last night. It'll get you sicker.

Seems there is a God, after all. Sort of.

ha ha ha

I watch every head on every day.

Why is it BS if I have an opinion?

Why would you write such a post?

Any coherent explanation why THAT horse wasn't taken down, Vic?

I mean, it's obvious it should've been. I realize you're EMBARRASSED that it wasn't and that the one yesterday was AND you're left trying to defend the actions of IDIOTS.

I understand, Vic. :rolleyes:

It's cool.

I mean, if you were to run the headon of the 2 races for RETARDS, they'd be able to notice the difference. It's REALLY THAT BAD.

I'm not defending anyone. I have an opinion about yesterdays DQ. Don't have time to re-visit the past one. I'm sure I posted my opinion at the time.

But I think it's very important that you, and the stewards, revisit the other one. Especially given your comments that horses shouldn't be all over the track or take the path of others. Unless these incidents are compared, there's really little hope of any consistency.

They don't think that horse (Chantal fouled) could of gotten up. Most people don't share your opinion of who would of won (if no foul had taken place.)

LOL...Weren't the 1st words out of that stupid blonde's mouth "I'm always right" ...I missed seeing the race live, but I saw this other mess going on. I don't know which is worse. TVG giving those 4 a mic, or TVG having these commercials for Doc Bottom' s "A" spray.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/484...bottoms-aspray

Thanks for that link. Now I've got the name for my FFL team. I suppose the "A" spray comes in handy for those who can't find the time for a daily bath or shower.

So asinine to have chicks in sundresses asking those softball questions.

I too got screwed last night in the finale costing me the pick 4. Now what I would like to ask the stewards was how different was Friday nights finale vs. what Solis did at the top of the stretch in the feature today to Gomez and his mount. Nothing said or mentioned in the feature today, still pissed about that DQ last night.

just got home and watched the "grilling" of the stew on tvg...geez, he even seemed pretty wishy washy on the whole thing...it was a bad freaking call...they got caught up in the whole he started in the 9 path and ended up in the 3 path thing...but, while he was doing so the other horse was voluntarily doing the same thing.

I just watched the race in question, and I would agree it's one of the 2 worst DQ's I've ever seen. The other being Polished last week at Ellis.

He might of agreed to come in a couple 3 paths, but when he then tried to run straight, your horse bump (1:16)/herded (from1:17 on in) him the rest of the way. He deserved the chance to run straight. So, if you disagree, then don't bet there, or start your own pro-herding campaign. Like he said, they combine factors to make a decision. The margin of victory was small, and diminishing. They would of let the foul go if he had shown an increasing margin of victory. The margin of victory decreased during the foul, and he's saying the 2nd place horse should of been able to run straight. Your horse is refusing to change leads in the stretch. I think the 9 would probably have gotten up(if not fouled.) 2 out of the 3 of the stewards did too. 1 of the 3 agreed with you, and that was most likely because he/she thought the 9 floated out the 2 on the turn/into the stretch. Colonel Moldes came out a ton, but it's not until 1:03-1:04. What I wanted addressed last night was 1:01-1:04 on that turn (coming into the stretch.) See, your best case for staying up is back there at 1:01-1:02. Quinones is floating you out for no other reason than to cost you precious ground. That's also a form of herding. That's why your jock thought he could get away with herding in the stretch. There is some art to this stuff, and the bump at 1:16 is what the steward mentioned as key, because Quinones had indeed wanted to run straight there, and would have continued to run straight(if not for your horse bump herding him from 1:16 on in.) The way to stay up is to make the other horse think your coming over suddenly, but only actually come over slightly(Gomez' patented trick.) Then you make almost no contact, but you've caused a loss of momentum. Then you just do a slight intimidation herd, and voila(Gomez stays up.) M BAZE is not the gifted cheater that Gomez is. Some people are naturally good cheaters (Gomez, A.J. Pierzynski, Victorino etc.)

Pierzynski is a natural born POS.

That too.

Not complaining about sweeping the exacta and trifecta in the 5th at DM, but Gomez smacked the 9 pretty good coming down the lane. Now, I understand he was on the better horse, and he is alot of the time, but they let him get away with murder on that circuit.