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Scav 07-28-2009 03:14 PM

NY restricts hyperbaric treatments - 1 week out
 
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...apy-for-horses

What I want to know is how they can regulate this?

Riot 07-28-2009 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...apy-for-horses

What I want to know is how they can regulate this?

Because oxygen is a drug. Trainers are attempting to increase the oxygen carried within the plasma on race day.

Because they have the right to regulate anything racehorses get prior to entry in a race in their jurisdiction, if they desire, including electromagnetic therapy, magic LED red lights in expensive blankets, acupuncture, herbs, extracorporeal shockwave therapies, etc.

BTW, the Veterinary Hyperbaric Medicine Society (http://www.vet.utk.edu/vhms/review.html has a good summary of hyperbaric medicine in the equine) encourages stronger regulation of veterinary hyperbaric medicine, just as the human side has regulated dive medicine and medical hyperbaric chamber use over the years.

Right now veterinary hyperbaric medicine in the hands of lay people, for the most part.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-28-2009 03:42 PM

If it gets enforced - will it make any impact on Mike Maker?

Scav 07-28-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
If it gets enforced - will it make any impact on Mike Maker?

:D

Riot 07-28-2009 03:45 PM

I think there are quite a few chambers in use in California.

Cannon Shell 07-28-2009 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...apy-for-horses

What I want to know is how they can regulate this?

They can't by any means other than simply catching them in the act. Though you know the investigators will be all over them.

GBBob 07-28-2009 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
Because oxygen is a drug. Trainers are attempting to increase the oxygen carried within the plasma on race day.

Because they have the right to regulate anything racehorses get prior to entry in a race in their jurisdiction, if they desire, including electromagnetic therapy, magic LED red lights in expensive blankets, acupuncture, herbs, extracorporeal shockwave therapies, etc.

BTW, the Veterinary Hyperbaric Medicine Society (http://www.vet.utk.edu/vhms/review.html has a good summary of hyperbaric medicine in the equine) encourages stronger regulation of veterinary hyperbaric medicine, just as the human side has regulated dive medicine and medical hyperbaric chamber use over the years.

Right now veterinary hyperbaric medicine in the hands of lay people, for the most part.


I think his question was more HOW are they going to enforce not why they would.

jwkniska 07-28-2009 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I think there are quite a few chambers in use in California.

there are a few... HRTV did a documentary on them (saw it on a Sat or Sun morning a few weeks ago).

Cannon Shell 07-28-2009 03:51 PM

From the article

"Sabini said the directive was crafted after an operator of a hyperbaric therapy chamber sought approval from NYRA to set up the equipment at Saratoga track. NYRA refused the request, and the operator located the equipment off track grounds in the city of Saratoga Springs. "

yeah these regulators are right on top of things....

Scav 07-28-2009 04:05 PM

I have to know how oxygen is a drug??

But yeah, unless this board plans on putting someone onsite at this place, this is all pr, and there is probably somewhere within 75 miles that has a chamber on a farm as it is....

Cannon Shell 07-28-2009 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I have to know how oxygen is a drug??

But yeah, unless this board plans on putting someone onsite at this place, this is all pr, and there is probably somewhere within 75 miles that has a chamber on a farm as it is....

The issue will be with moving horses back and forth off the track every day. If every day the same horse leaves for a couple hours...
And being that they just discovered this "new" therapy I'm sure they will all over this place.

Riot 07-28-2009 04:15 PM

100% oxygen (not room air, which is 21% oxygen) is a drug just like propofol or codeine or an antibiotic. I can easily kill you with 100% oxygen ;) You are supposed to have a medical license to be able to purchase it and dispense it. Which isn't always true, indeed.

I thought they were going to have a hyperbaric chamber at the Ruffian hospital outside Belmont (something I would think is a good thing)

Unlike NYRA, I'd be more worried about someone blowing out a bleb in a bleeder's lungs, or causing severe pain in an undiagnosed tooth abcess, or hurting a horse with an impacted gutteral pouch or a sinus infection, rather than if a horse had a hyperbaric treatment on race day.

Apparently nobody has shown the NYRA an oxyhemoglobin dissociation curve, regarding the duration of effect of increased plasma oxygenation?

Riot 07-28-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The issue will be with moving horses back and forth off the track every day. If every day the same horse leaves for a couple hours...
And being that they just discovered this "new" therapy I'm sure they will all over this place.

Which is why it should be allowed on track. The real issues are safety (for the horse and others not involved) and which favored contractor gets the gig.

Cannon Shell 07-28-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Which is why it should be allowed on track. The real issues are safety (for the horse and others not involved) and which favored contractor gets the gig.

Which wont happen because the tracks arent going to take the risk, especially for little gain.

Riot 07-28-2009 07:28 PM

The operator might have a fallback if NYRA allows stuff like privately operated underwater treadmills on track grounds. Do they allow anything?

Sightseek 07-28-2009 08:45 PM

What have I been doing drinking coffee....I just need better oxygen! :D

fpsoxfan 07-28-2009 08:53 PM

I might need one of these chambers around 8 pm Wednesday.

Cannon Shell 07-28-2009 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
The operator might have a fallback if NYRA allows stuff like privately operated underwater treadmills on track grounds. Do they allow anything?

No

hoovesupsideyourhead 07-28-2009 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
I might need one of these chambers around 8 pm Wednesday.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

philcski 07-28-2009 09:28 PM

this is the dumbest regulation i have ever heard. end of thread.

Round Pen 07-29-2009 05:41 AM

HArness Horses have been doing this for a couple of years now especially when they time trial. Heck at the Red Mile in Lexington they were going in the Chamber the Same Morning they Were Time Trialing.

Rupert Pupkin 07-30-2009 02:19 AM

Does anyone know what the rule is in New York on shock-waving? In California, I believe it has to be at least 10 days before the race.

timmgirvan 07-30-2009 06:47 AM

All I know is that the chamber was instrumental in saving my right leg!

Cannon Shell 07-30-2009 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan
All I know is that the chamber was instrumental in saving my right leg!

Good thing. We wouldn't want you to be known as "Lefty"

VOL JACK 07-30-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
this is the dumbest regulation i have ever heard. end of thread.

I completly agree. Don't get it at all.

chucklestheclown 07-31-2009 12:06 AM

I did not comment because someone said it was the end of the thread, and it should have been; but, this is a dumb, stupid, useless rule, imo.

Sightseek 07-31-2009 06:16 PM

Article by the Great Matt Hegarty:

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105994.html

Riot 07-31-2009 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Does anyone know what the rule is in New York on shock-waving? In California, I believe it has to be at least 10 days before the race.

NW is 10 days, too. That's because some types of shockwave therapy seem to be able to induce analgesia to certain areas or types of injury.

Scav 08-01-2009 10:22 AM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105994.html


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