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Kasept 07-19-2009 05:43 PM

7/22 (DMR): Oceanside S. -- Del Mar Opening Day
 
8TH (5:30) Oceanside S.

1 Mile (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Herr Mozart Espinoza V 121 L
2 Lesson in Deceit Sorenson D 121 L
3 Rendezvous Rosario J 119 L
4 Azul Leon Gomez G K 119 L
5 Flashmans Papers (GB) Talamo J 121 L
6 Mark S the Cooler Nakatani C S 121 L
7 Gretsky Garcia M 117 L
8 Afleet Eagle Baze T C 121 L
9 Meteore Bejarano R 121 L
10 Backbackbackgone Smith M E 119 L

AE Position A Espinoza V 117 L
AE Nashoba Express Bejarano R 117 L
AE Dream Now Baze T C 117 L
AE Rainbow Goose Smith M E 117 L

Kasept 07-19-2009 05:48 PM

FRIDAY (7/24) 3RD (4:00) California Thoroughbred Breeders' Association S.

5 1/2 Furlongs (All Weather Track) | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Unbridled Meeting Rosario J 120 L
2 Cruzin Topless Baze R A 120 L
3 Repo Nakatani C S 122 L
4 Puritan Baker Baze T C 120 L
5 La Nez Espinoza V 118 L
6 High Five Gal Gomez G K 118
7 Taro Flores D R 120 L

NTamm1215 07-19-2009 06:18 PM

GREAT opening day card if you like claiming races.

NT

hockey2315 07-19-2009 06:22 PM

Exactly. Can they really not fill a MSW for 2YOs?

NTamm1215 07-19-2009 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Exactly. Can they really not fill a MSW for 2YOs?

I thought it was bad when I heard the Oceanside only drew enough for one division. I have a feeling this is going to be a very uninspiring meet.

NT

the_fat_man 07-19-2009 06:58 PM

Still a better betting meet than anything NYRA is offering.:rolleyes:


I'm at the point where I'm betting turf at ELP, RD, EVD and IND these days. The turf tradition at BEL is over.

10 pnt move up 07-19-2009 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Exactly. Can they really not fill a MSW for 2YOs?

no they cant, they have not run many at HP now that the 5f cheapos are done...they ran 1 in the first two weeks last year.

There are very very few top horses out there right now, it would be easy pickens if you had some nice horses to bring in.

NTamm1215 07-19-2009 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Still a better betting meet than anything NYRA is offering.:rolleyes:


I'm at the point where I'm betting turf at ELP, RD, EVD and IND these days. The turf tradition at BEL is over.

Fats-

We see a lot of things the same way, but Dmr is nowhere near Saratoga. I don't care if they have Trakus, head-on replays, guaranteed wager pools, or anything else. The racing at Dmr is nothing like Saratoga at all.

NT

Travis Stone 07-19-2009 08:16 PM

Del Mar is not running on Monday's this year. I would suspect their field size should improve as a result.

the_fat_man 07-19-2009 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Del Mar is not running on Monday's this year. I would suspect their field size should improve as a result.

The exotic player's VIAGRA: large fields. :rolleyes:

Bigsmc 07-20-2009 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I thought it was bad when I heard the Oceanside only drew enough for one division. I have a feeling this is going to be a very uninspiring meet.

NT

First time since 1988 they haven't run the Oceanside in divisions.

10 pnt move up 07-20-2009 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
First time since 1988 they haven't run the Oceanside in divisions.

will they run more then 5 open mdns for each sex this week? it will be close.

NTamm1215 07-20-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
First time since 1988 they haven't run the Oceanside in divisions.

It was even more troubling that Tom Robbins said in the article in DRF that he tried to get four turf races on the opening day card and only has one.

NT

Suffolk Shippers 07-20-2009 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
It was even more troubling that Tom Robbins said in the article in DRF that he tried to get four turf races on the opening day card and only has one.

NT

That's terrible. So Cal racing should take a few weeks off in between the end of HOL and the beginning Del Mar. They just don't have the horses to justify the dates they run.

10 pnt move up 07-20-2009 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers
That's terrible. So Cal racing should take a few weeks off in between the end of HOL and the beginning Del Mar. They just don't have the horses to justify the dates they run.

They should take a few years off

Travis Stone 07-20-2009 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
The exotic player's VIAGRA: large fields. :rolleyes:

The is a direct correlation between field size and handle. Individual interests may vary, and certainly a 12 horse, 5 furlong sprint of firsters won't handle a 12 horse turf claimer, but generally speaking fields are $ in racetrack land.

Indian Charlie 07-20-2009 11:34 PM

Get rid of poly. Get rid of cushion. Get rid of pro-ride.

That's the single biggest thing killing racing there.

chucklestheclown 07-20-2009 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
I thought it was bad when I heard the Oceanside only drew enough for one division. I have a feeling this is going to be a very uninspiring meet.

NT

I didn't look at the PPs, but just bet Mark S and hope for the best.:)

10 pnt move up 07-21-2009 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Get rid of poly. Get rid of cushion. Get rid of pro-ride.

That's the single biggest thing killing racing there.

And you can make this statement because....the great Paulo Lobo left the state?

Seriously, everyone that ran there three years ago is still there, and it could be argued that there have been many more horses shipping in than before the plastic stuff.

California is a failing economic state, where making money and spending it on god forbid horses is not the most commendable deed. Racing is just caught up in a bigger game, of course they do their best to contribute to their own demise.

CSC 07-21-2009 11:00 AM

I took a glance at the Oceanside, usually it is split up into 2 divisions. 1 division you'd think this would be a good field. NOPE. Nadda...

10 pnt move up 07-21-2009 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I took a glance at the Oceanside, usually it is split up into 2 divisions. 1 division you'd think this would be a good field. NOPE. Nadda...

There are very few well bred horses to begin with in socal, and with the weak dollar there are hardly any foreign imports, a staple of socal racing, this is the reality and not a trend.

the_fat_man 07-21-2009 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
The is a direct correlation between field size and handle. Individual interests may vary, and certainly a 12 horse, 5 furlong sprint of firsters won't handle a 12 horse turf claimer, but generally speaking fields are $ in racetrack land.

This is because all the exotic players are looking for huge scores and they, more often than not, find them in larger fields.

On the other hand, someone betting to win would take smaller fields, and, in most cases, lower payouts, just about every time.

As for the turf races not filling, as I commented on another thread, towards the end of the GG meet, they had uncharacteristically large fields in their turf races. Where have those horses gone? They should follow NYRA and card 3 or 4 state bred turf races a day. That'll stimulate some interest.

Whatever the case, small fields and TRAKUS, on a predictable track (unlike WO), means the pickings should be easy at DMR this summer.

CSC 07-21-2009 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
There are very few well bred horses to begin with in socal, and with the weak dollar there are hardly any foreign imports, a staple of socal racing, this is the reality and not a trend.

I used to look fwd. to the Oceanside on opening day. I wished they hadn't renovated the turf course, there was a handicapping angle I would always look for but seems to have been negated of late.

the_fat_man 07-21-2009 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I used to look fwd. to the Oceanside on opening day. I wished they hadn't renovated the turf course, there was a handicapping angle I would always look for but seems to have been negated of late.

Survival of the Fittest: Darwin got it right. :rolleyes:

CSC 07-21-2009 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Survival of the Fittest: Darwin got it right. :rolleyes:

Keeneland inside speed, and Delmar turf speed seem to be antiquated handicapping angles post poly/reno turf.

There are reasons why I like betting Australia and Woodbine. You have to be comfortable with your betting strategies and right now these are the tracks I feel most comfortable with.

Alan07 07-21-2009 02:47 PM

Golden Gate opens in about 3 weeks

letswastemoney 07-22-2009 02:59 AM

Nashoba Express is related to Nashoba's Key isn't he? He's nothing like how his half sister was though

CSC 07-22-2009 08:34 AM

Did a little homework for this race last night and it wouldn't surprise me if Afleet Eagle wins today if he can handle the surface change. His last at Woodbine was very good against a legit field.

Coach Pants 07-22-2009 08:04 PM

Vladimir Syringe. Good call CSC.

Unfortunately a horse who needed two races at the maiden claimer level wins a stakes race in his 4th race. It's a f.ucking miracle. If you're a horse owner wouldn't it be wise to send your stock to Syringe?

CSC 07-22-2009 08:59 PM

Thanks Coach.

chucklestheclown 07-22-2009 09:24 PM

I thought it was a nice race. Maybe I should start giving Baze more credit.

CSC 07-23-2009 11:55 AM

Without trying to tout this horse too much but anyone that has viewed Afleet Eagle's last 3 races will notice this is a horse that is steadily improving. Not sure why he was ever offered up for 50K at one point and I am not sure if Cerin was being sincere when interviewed after the race on saying he thought this horse would stink on turf, granted he didn't beat much yesterday in terms of a quality field but on the other hand he was much the best, and more importantly showed a good turn of foot as his last 1/4 will attest to. He might be alot better than what his past p's suggest.

He kind of reminds me of Laragh.

chucklestheclown 07-23-2009 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
Without trying to tout this horse too much but anyone that has viewed Afleet Eagle's last 3 races will notice this is a horse that is steadily improving. Not sure why he was ever offered up for 50K at one point and I am not sure if Cerin was being sincere when interviewed after the race on saying he thought this horse would stink on turf, granted he didn't beat much yesterday in terms of a quality field but on the other hand he was much the best, and more importantly showed a good turn of foot as his last 1/4 will attest to. He might be alot better than what his past p's suggest.

What are past p's?

hockey2315 07-23-2009 07:10 PM

Past Performances Perhaps?

chucklestheclown 07-24-2009 12:38 AM

Oh. Try to ignore them, just confuse the issues.

CSC 07-24-2009 08:03 AM

Hockey is correct.


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