What is C BROWN UP TO?
 

Takes Silver Timber from the best turf sprint trainer in the country for $20K. The same ST that just couldn't fire in the lane all of last year. Under Brown, ST wipes out the field last out and, today, he duels with the chalk early and draws off in the stake.

Way to go, Chad.:rolleyes:

Could be different shoes? Or maybe acupuncture

A personal attack like this could cost you in the long run fatman, best if Steve took this crap off his web site. Let the detetion barns do their job buddy.

It's just my observation. Why would C Brown or anyone else care what I have to say?

In the meantime, fire up some replays of Silver Timber's races last (and early this) year and check him out in the lane for yourself. You might be the one needing to retract his statement after that. You never know.:rolleyes:

That was an awful field today. Just dreadful that that went down as a Graded stakes. The quality was nothing better than a 75K optional claimer. Capuano never wins in NY. Somebody had to win, why not the 2nd choice? Just an utter mess of the Jaipur.

Let me tell you, Chad Brown is the most diligent trainer I have been fortunate to have horses with. He is honest and straight forward. I'm not sure why you claim LR is the best turf sprint trainer in the country. Yes, she has won her share in NY, but having been around both barns, there is no comparison!
Enough said!!

Why is this a personal attack?
These questions are the biggest part of this sport.
I think its a very valid ?..

the original post was edited :rolleyes:

Your point, then, is that Brown is better with turf sprinters than Rice? :rolleyes:

What do you guys think, I spend my days reading the SHEETS and STATS on Formulator?

Where's the outrage when Wolfson is accused of juicing? (Which happens just about every other week here.)

Congrats to Chad Brown he moved up a 20k claimer to a G3 winner. Do you think it was shoes, some chiropractic spinal sheat, gastrogard, or just waiting till the banamine kicked in before the 4f breeze.. Whatever the miracle, perhaps we should contact the Pope to see if this special horse can be cannonized.. St. Silver... HI HO

Fat Man I am with you on this one

No! My point is CB runs a better operation than LR in my opinion! Check win stats, not turf sprints. CB will be the first to tell you that turf sprints are not his speciality. LR wins with very few starters that are not sprinters. CB wins with all types.

You're making my point. You improve a horse taken from a specialist, when you're not a specialist in that area, and you're really doing something, wouldn't you think?.

Latest figures I have for the year (not including today) per BRIS:

Brown

105 starters 22% winners

Rice

171 starters 25% winners


Hmmmm

more starters, higher win %

But I'll take your word for it that Brown 'runs a better operation'. :rolleyes:

What barn # is CB? And what flavor is the Kool Aid? Seriously who doubts the guy is a good horseman? But please understand that medication and its use is responsible for today's G3 win. This is not a good horse, in fact he is a tried and true plain ole race horse. He isn't nor should have he ever been considered a stakes winning animal.

CB medicates all types

At least you edited your thread title fatman. :)

I don't think you get it bro, CCB took a horse from a great trainer, isn't that a good claim???????????/

Lets wait for the tox report:)

:D :D

Mr. Dubb may differ my friend:)

You guys did not see this coming in the PPs? For shame...

Didn't Silver Timber set track record at 5 1/2 on the turf at Saratoga?

I agree, it was the drugs
:) :D

That would be the Bossman who edited it.

Based on the Thorograph figures:

Silver Timber was consistently running 5's and 6's from age 3 to age 5.
In this 6 yr old gelding's first start this year he ran a 5. Was then claimed from Linda Rice, and in his 1st start for Chad Brown, ran a 2. Unless yesterday's course was playing EXTREMELY fast, he improved off that 2. Someone more knowledgeable than I, please tell how normal it is for a 6 yr old to run lifetime best races back to back, after being claimed from a trainer who is far from incompetent (to say the least)?

Thanks for posting this, as I think it gets to the point from another perspective and thus add even more credence to what's being advanced here.

I have charts of this horse's races going back to 8/13/07 at SAR. That's 13 races, including the two under Brown. Prior to its 1st race under Brown, this would be 11 races, this horse had never wiped-out a field. Never come close. Yet, it did so, 1st time Brown. While wipe-outs happen more rarely on turf than do on dirt (especially off tracks), they're even rarer in sprints, as it takes a monster effort to separate from EVERY other horse in the race going a short distance. And yesterday, the ****er ran the following splits:

21.71
22.82
10.67
12.40

Now running 10.67 for the 5F eighth is quite a feat. Don't think I've ever seen that on the BEL turf. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.) But doing so after an initial quarter of 21.71 is pretty remarkable, hard turf and all. I mean, they don't do **** like this on the Cali turf sprinting.

How did he take Quit Meadow from Hall of Famer Nick Zito who was running at penn national, and win a stakes in Tampa, and get beat by a lip in the G3 All is Vanity? Must be in the water:D

How did he take a Bill Mott horse "Maram" and win a Breeders Cup?

Must be the water
:D

It's both funny and sad at the same time that all of you clowns want to criticize Chad Brown for doing a good job. It's not like it is unheard of for someone to do much better with a horse then some of the names you mentioned. The hype surrounding those "name" outfits is oftentimes undeserved, and this is merely another example.

I don't look at PP's.

wow

how did i miss the announcement thread!?

really, and your text?

great job, its not normal at all...I am sure he just change shoes or dentists or something.

Is it criticism or just critical thinking?

You see this with a 40k 3 year old in socal and people would be flipping out, this is a 6 year old.

:tro: :tro:

Check your facts! Maram never started for Mott. I watched this filly train the entire summer on the Saratoga main track under CB's care.
As for Zito, his turf win percentage is around 2%.

The horse was in Motts barn in training, and transferred to Chad in a owner and trainer agreement. Actually Mott had his choice to send one of the owners horses to Chad. Mott chose Maram. He didn't feel she was the better of the others. So get your facts correct. As for Zito, he stated the horse couldn't run, and the owners transfered the horse to Chad.

If you watched Marams works, How come I never seen you, or how did you know Maram was training. Impossible unless your at CB's barn, or your a clocker.

As for the main track, your wrong. CB trained on the Oklahoma track, from the Annex. He has now moved to barn 13, backside.

Gary Gullo....I am sure he just is having a great meet..sure there is nothing funny going on, guy is like the next bobby frankel.

Well then, maybe Mott was just wrong. He was just dreadful at Saratoga last year.

Maram was stabled off Gridley St last summer. Not sure where he is this year but I watched two of his horses train on Monday at Oklahoma, while standing with him. He was kind enough to identfy the horses and spend a few minutes in conversation.

That't funny he worked for Frankel for 5 yrs, nothing like milking knowledge from the master.

My facts are correct, Maram never started for Mott. Maram trained on the main track the entire summer meet last year from a private barn.

i don't think chad brown worries about what you have to say

he improved the horse , happens evey day across tracks across america

steve- am i to believe that chad is beating the detention barns in ny is that what you are implying here?

The set of all the possible known and unknown drugs that could enhance the performance of a tbred is larger than the set that NYRA (or any other racing board) tests for. And, this doesn't apply to just horse racing but cycling, track and field, etc.

Assuming that Brown is cheating with this horse (and probably others) thus makes more sense than assuming that he's not cheating because he passed the detention barn. And this would be BEFORE the evident HUGE STEPUP in performance under Brown.

But, who cares? I've been in this game long enough to have a good idea as to who is juicing and who isn't by the way their horses perform. Brown's supporters can stand on their head, for all I care, but it won't make a difference. I formulate my own opinions.

Back in the '70's Pancho Martin was consistently leading trainer in NYC. No one questioned that Pancho was a very good trainer. It's interesting that Pancho would take all these OLD, seemingly broken down horses, that had back class, and get them, at age 5,6,7. etc., to run back to their best previous races -- from years prior. And, once they got 'in form' they'd stay in form. Get my drift?

The ironic thing is that I bet this horse and his other recent wipe-out special, Why West. She didn't run a HUGE race the other day, did she?

I know there is a BC Turf Sprint now but has that somehow widened the gulf between stakes level turf sprinters and $25k claimers?

Be careful! Cheating is a strong word when you are assuming. Remember
you were wrong about Maram's location last year. Your inaccuracies should be kept to yourself!