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Rupert Pupkin 07-06-2009 02:35 PM

Bobby Frankel Very Ill
 
Bobby Frankel is very sick. He's battling lymphoma.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105253.html

geeker2 07-06-2009 02:58 PM

Hope things get better for him. I had an encounter with him on a car rental bus after the BC in 2002. He was heading back to CA - he was grinning ear to ear talking about Starine win...he was :cool:

Get well Bobby!

Rupert Pupkin 07-06-2009 03:40 PM

I heard he's been dispersing alot of his horses. He's keeping all the Judmonte horses but he's been dispersing some of the others.

Left Bank 07-06-2009 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Bobby Frankel is very sick. He's battling lymphoma.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105253.html

Where are you getting this info that he is battling Lymphoma?The article makes no such statement.It states"an undisclosed illness".

Rupert Pupkin 07-06-2009 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank
Where are you getting this info that he is battling Lymphoma?The article makes no such statement.It states"an undisclosed illness".

It is common knowledge on the backside here at Hollywood Park that he has lymphoma.

10 pnt move up 07-06-2009 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
It is common knowledge on the backside here at Hollywood Park that he has lymphoma.

I dont think it is a new revelation, he has been sick for the better part of a year I thought?

cowgirlintexas 07-06-2009 04:46 PM

I thought he did'nt look well the last time I saw him being interviewed :(

Sorry to hear.

Merlinsky 07-06-2009 05:42 PM

Sorry to hear that. Get well soon, Bobby!

Left Bank 07-06-2009 07:18 PM

I saw him at Keeneland and he looked good.If he has the same type of lymphoma I had{Hodgkins}He should be okay.Chemo isn't as bad as it used to be,and there is a 97% success rate of full recovery.

blackthroatedwind 07-06-2009 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Bobby Frankel is very sick. He's battling lymphoma.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/105253.html

Here's an idea " Rupert ".......why don't you give your real name on this forum so that you can be held accountable for going to internet message boards and reporting " common racetrack rumors " about people's personal health....." rumors " that the person involved clearly didn't want reported in the DRF.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

MISTERGEE 07-06-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank
I saw him at Keeneland and he looked good.If he has the same type of lymphoma I had{Hodgkins}He should be okay.Chemo isn't as bad as it used to be,and there is a 97% success rate of full recovery.

AT LEAST THAT IS VERY GOOD NEWS

Rupert Pupkin 07-06-2009 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Here's an idea " Rupert ".......why don't you give your real name on this forum so that you can be held accountable for going to internet message boards and reporting " common racetrack rumors " about people's personal health....." rumors " that the person involved clearly didn't want reported in the DRF.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

You have a point but I didn't think it was a big deal since everyone on the backside already knows about it. I figured I would give the members of this board the same information that everyone on the backside has.

It was reported in the DRF that he is sick. Would it be so much better for everyone hear to be guessing what illness he might have?

hockey2315 07-06-2009 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
You have a point but I didn't think it was a big deal since everyone on the backside already knows about it. I figured I would give the members of this board the same information that everyone on the backside has.

It was reported in the DRF that he is sick. Would it be so much better for everyone hear to be guessing what illness he might have?

Is that up to you to decide?

Rupert Pupkin 07-06-2009 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
Is that up to you to decide?

You and Andy make a good point. I probably should have just provided the link to the article and not commented on the specific illness.

blackthroatedwind 07-06-2009 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
You have a point but I didn't think it was a big deal since everyone on the backside already knows about it. I figured I would give the members of this board the same information that everyone on the backside has.

It was reported in the DRF that he is sick. Would it be so much better for everyone hear to be guessing what illness he might have?


Just change your moniker to your real name.

freddymo 07-06-2009 08:08 PM

If the guy has cancer he and his family are entitled to a bit of privacy even if he is a public figure. Hopefully he gets well from whatever is ailing him. He is a terrific trainer, a HOF trainer the sport is certainly better off with a sound Frankel.

DaTruth 07-06-2009 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
You and Andy make a good point. I probably should have just provided the link to the article and not commented on the specific illness.

Maybe the guy who claimed he had a source in the Frankel barn would have filled us in. Some folks on this forum jump to all sorts of conclusions regarding the health of racing personalities. Jess Jackson looked thin after the Preakness, and some here were ready to start digging his grave.

the_fat_man 07-06-2009 09:17 PM

Let me start by wishing Frankel the best. I'm certainly a fan of his.

However, and certainly not unfortunately, we live in an era were information is much more easily disseminated than ever before. So, if Frankel and his family want to keep his condition a secret, they would need to go out of their way to let as few know as possible. Probably a good idea to limit this to family members. Quite of few public figures have 'figured' this out, though not exactly in a timely manner.:rolleyes:

If it's around the backstretch, then why would anyone take offense if it reaches the web? And requiring that one needs to first reveal his/her identity before disseminating something that, apparently in this case, quite a few already know really goes against all those 'anonymous sources' that are the staple of many of our news (sports, entertainment, etc.) stories.

RolloTomasi 07-06-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
If it's around the backstretch, then why would anyone take offense if it reaches the web? And requiring that one needs to first reveal his/her identity before disseminating something that, apparently in this case, quite a few already know really goes against all those 'anonymous sources' that are the staple of many of our news (sports, entertainment, etc.) stories.

Yes, the entirety of the Internet is but a mere tributary of the Hollywood Park barn area.

What I think most people took offense to was the self-serving manner in which this thread was started, setting up a "straw man" (ie the DRF article) easily knocked down with the juicy insider info.

Its like if I started a thread with a link to an article about the Michael Jackson autopsy coming back without a cause of death, but prefacing it with, "Died of food poisoning. Ate ten year old weiner."

reese 07-06-2009 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Let me start by wishing Frankel the best. I'm certainly a fan of his.

However, and certainly not unfortunately, we live in an era were information is much more easily disseminated than ever before. So, if Frankel and his family want to keep his condition a secret, they would need to go out of their way to let as few know as possible. Probably a good idea to limit this to family members. Quite of few public figures have 'figured' this out, though not exactly in a timely manner.:rolleyes:


.

If it's around the backstretch, then why would anyone take offense if it reaches the web? And requiring that one needs to first reveal his/her identity before disseminating something that, apparently in this case, quite a few already know really goes against all those 'anonymous sources' that are the staple of many of our news (sports, entertainment, etc.) stories.

On another internet message board ,a poster posted that an" LA radio program announced on the air Frankel was sick with lymphoma.
So, it seems this information is not as hush-hush as posters here would like to think

blackthroatedwind 07-06-2009 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by reese
On another internet message board ,a poster posted that an" LA radio program announced on the air Frankel was sick with lymphoma.
So, it seems this information is not as hush-hush as posters here would like to think


Who even implied it was " hush hush " or anything of the kind? People, at least these days, seem to read what they want to hear.

Just because we now live in a society where people seem to enjoy spreading rumors, some true and many false, in an anonymous venue like the internet, doesn't mean it is appropriate behavior. And, Rupert works in the industry, and I don't think it's unfair to ask him whether or not he would post this kind of rumor if his real name was attached to it. This is certainly a question I ask myself here on a regular basis.

I don't know Bobby Frankel, in fact I've never spoken with him, but I respect his right to privacy as I would respect anyone's. Just because many others don't doesn't make my position wrong.

docicu3 07-06-2009 10:46 PM

1) Maybe we are moving toward HIPPA training for everyone. Health care workers have had to examine this with humility and a consistent respect for privacy concerning health matters maybe we should share that training with others.

2) I would be very careful about speculation concerning the prognosis of lymphoma. The many different cell types (Hodgkins vs non-Hodgkins) and various responses to treatment make blanket optimism and pessimism very iffy....

My prayers for Mr Frankel and his family and a hope that all of us are spared such difficult moments in the future.

Indian Charlie 07-06-2009 10:47 PM

Alot of people on this board are in bad need of a high colonic.

I can't believe how uptight some of you are recently. What's with all the high and mighty bullshat and the holier than thou attitude (BTW, Stone Gossard to name a couple) lately?

reese 07-06-2009 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Who even implied it was " hush hush " or anything of the kind? People, at least these days, seem to read what they want to hear.

Just because we now live in a society where people seem to enjoy spreading rumors, some true and many false, in an anonymous venue like the internet, doesn't mean it is appropriate behavior. And, Rupert works in the industry, and I don't think it's unfair to ask him whether or not he would post this kind of rumor if his real name was attached to it. This is certainly a question I ask myself here on a regular basis.

I don't know Bobby Frankel, in fact I've never spoken with him, but I respect his right to privacy as I would respect anyone's. Just because many others don't doesn't make my position wrong.

I don't think this Frankel issue is a rumor at all. I've read the same on another message board "filled with CA posters". It was "allegedly" announced on a LA radio program and discussed openly on two other sites by "people who work at the CA tracks".

I agree on the privacy issue, but Frankel is a high profile ,well known public person.
The news that he is sick with lymphoma is difficult to keep quiet, especially when it appears to be a known fact in CA. And to expect this terrible news to remain out of the public consciousness , especially in a horse racing venue, is unrealistic in the 21st century of the internet.

blackthroatedwind 07-06-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Alot of people on this board are in bad need of a high colonic.

I can't believe how uptight some of you are recently. What's with all the high and mighty bullshat and the holier than thou attitude (BTW, Stone Gossard to name a couple) lately?


Here's the difference.....I am accountable for what I post.

Plus, I won't ever apologize for respecting the wishes of someone who is gravely ill. If that's " holier than thou " then I can certainly live with it.

Indian Charlie 07-06-2009 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Here's the difference.....I am accountable for what I post.

Plus, I won't ever apologize for respecting the wishes of someone who is gravely ill. If that's " holier than thou " then I can certainly live with it.

Accountable? Accountable for what? Do you know Frankel wishes his condition to be private? Even if he does, it's not as if he's keeping a secret like him cheating on his wife, or something embarrassing like that (I am not implying anything here at all).

And it's not just the Frankel thing. The whole thing with Stauffer was ridiculous. It's so ridiculous, I'm pretty sure Gossard had to be doing that for some reason that had nothing to do with his claim of bias.

blackthroatedwind 07-06-2009 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Accountable? Accountable for what? Do you know Frankel wishes his condition to be private? Even if he does, it's not as if he's keeping a secret like him cheating on his wife, or something embarrassing like that (I am not implying anything here at all).

And it's not just the Frankel thing. The whole thing with Stauffer was ridiculous. It's so ridiculous, I'm pretty sure Gossard had to be doing that for some reason that had nothing to do with his claim of bias.


It's hardly a stretch from the article to think Frankel wishes to keep it private. Being that it is his life, I think the least someone can do is assume that until HE makes the choice to discuss it, keep it private. Clearly others disagree....but that doesn't change either my opinion or the way I will lead my life. Just because it's not " embarrassing " doesn't mean it isn't private. In fact, one could argue that makes it moreso.

As for the other thing you referred to.....that's not my concern. I didn't bring up the issue, or engage in the conversation, but that was someone's personal opinion about something public. Apples and oranges.

Travis Stone 07-07-2009 01:13 AM

I once called Bobby Frankel to interview him for a story with The Saratoga Special... I was nervous as balls. He's very direct and if you're not experienced with interviewing hard interviewees, it's like walking into the lions den. He was really cool though, and it went well.

Hope he's back at the track soon.

Kasept 07-07-2009 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
Before you ask anyone to post under his real name, perhaps you should do the same.

The minute he starts posting backstretch innuendo, I'm sure he will.

freddymo 07-07-2009 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Let me start by wishing Frankel the best. I'm certainly a fan of his.

However, and certainly not unfortunately, we live in an era were information is much more easily disseminated than ever before. So, if Frankel and his family want to keep his condition a secret, they would need to go out of their way to let as few know as possible. Probably a good idea to limit this to family members. Quite of few public figures have 'figured' this out, though not exactly in a timely manner.:rolleyes:

If it's around the backstretch, then why would anyone take offense if it reaches the web? And requiring that one needs to first reveal his/her identity before disseminating something that, apparently in this case, quite a few already know really goes against all those 'anonymous sources' that are the staple of many of our news (sports, entertainment, etc.) stories.


Great in some pervented way you are right and then I remember I am a human being and wonder what it must feel like to know your life MAYBE coming to and end. So being right doesn't seem to apply when it could be a matter of life or death.

golfer 07-07-2009 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Perhaps you should start a poll..Here is am example of what it could look like..

Blackthroatedwind is:

1) Sarah Pallin's slam piece

2) A well known public(media)Horse Racing Personality

3) Bernie Madoff's love child

4) All of the above

I am guessing like 98% of the people respond with the proper answer since he has been honest with his identity on this and all internet sites for as long as I have known him; never once hiding behind his ridiculous moniker.
Cardus welcome to the 2%'ers, unlike whole milk the cream doesn't raise to the top neither did your post.

Freddy, that post by Cardus was a JOKE!

freddymo 07-07-2009 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer
Freddy, that post by Cardus was a JOKE!


Thx I deleted it then..When I saw Byk's I figured he was serious

blackthroatedwind 07-07-2009 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Thx I deleted it then..When I saw Byk's I figured he was serious


Impressive save.

stonegossard 07-07-2009 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Alot of people on this board are in bad need of a high colonic.

I can't believe how uptight some of you are recently. What's with all the high and mighty bullshat and the holier than thou attitude (BTW, Stone Gossard to name a couple) lately?


High and mighty? What...because I have an opinion different than yours and others it makes me high and mighty? I am sorry if you can't handle me busting your balls.....but I am far from acting high and mighty.

Salvatore must be going for a Noble Peace Prize for all the charity work with you.

stonegossard 07-07-2009 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Accountable? Accountable for what? Do you know Frankel wishes his condition to be private? Even if he does, it's not as if he's keeping a secret like him cheating on his wife, or something embarrassing like that (I am not implying anything here at all).

And it's not just the Frankel thing. The whole thing with Stauffer was ridiculous. It's so ridiculous, I'm pretty sure Gossard had to be doing that for some reason that had nothing to do with his claim of bias.

Yeah I had a reason. I watched the race and thought it was a ridiculous call. What the hell is wrong with that. There are plenty of threads on here which I feel are ridiculous...but you know what...I stay outta them. I don't jump in whining and crying that the thread starter is being unfair.

You out of anyone on here should be talking....you wrote a thread about DrugS walking around with one contact lense in. Talk about useless drivel being posted on here.

SuffolkGirl 07-07-2009 09:09 AM

My sincerest wishes for Bobby Frankel to get well soon. May his illness and recovery be speedy and as pain free as possible.

Suffolk Shippers 07-07-2009 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by reese
I don't think this Frankel issue is a rumor at all. I've read the same on another message board "filled with CA posters". It was "allegedly" announced on a LA radio program and discussed openly on two other sites by "people who work at the CA tracks".

I agree on the privacy issue, but Frankel is a high profile ,well known public person.
The news that he is sick with lymphoma is difficult to keep quiet, especially when it appears to be a known fact in CA. And to expect this terrible news to remain out of the public consciousness , especially in a horse racing venue, is unrealistic in the 21st century of the internet.

This business that Frankel is subject to gossip because he is a high profile personality is just garbage. What ails him is no one's business besides his own, his family and his doctor. That should be enough for anyone. It's not the public's right to know and speculate just because the person works a job in the public eye.

Things you read on message boards and hear on the radio from unverifiable sources do not necessarily make them gospel. I'm not saying the man isn't sick, but it's clear he wants his business to be just that.

JerseyJ 07-07-2009 09:33 AM

Obviously, Frankel and those close to him were approached by Grening and the DRF to shed some light on the situation. Obviously, in the position that Dave Grening is in, he is able to gather information that many others are not privy to. Grening has a strong reputation with the DRF for his work, and it's quite obvious that if Frankel did not want to share the information with Grening, it's very likely he wants to keep this private and within his immediate family which can be expected in a time like this. He has every right to privacy, and even if someone were to know what is ailing him, or rumors were circulating as to what was ailing him, it's very much his own prerogative whether to speak to anyone regarding his condition, and in a paper such as the DRF where so much is public knowledge, if Frankel wanted his illness to be public, surely he would have given the information to Grening to be presented in that forum/manner.


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