When is Tiago coming back?
 

Any word on when he returns? He isn't nominated to the Hollywood Gold Cup so it can't be there. He's never run at Del Mar before, so I don't know if Sheriffs would try him at that surface this time.

Two race campaign (Goodwood and BC Classic) and then retirement maybe?

He's the perfect example (as are the Shug horses going to California) of why owners need to adapt with the times and have a trainer on each coast. It makes no sense to have synthetic horses with a trainer on the east coast and have dirt horses with a trainer on the west coast. Employ one on each coast and move the horses to the surface that suits them.

When he does it will be too late. Story of his life and whatnot.

Dont get me started, guy is so much better on dirt. He is not elite or anything but he is better on that surface.

He hasn't worked in over a month.

As far as him being a different horse on dirt versus synthetics, I'd beg to differ. In his two major dirt wins (the Santa Anita Derby and Oaklawn Hcp) he defeated King Of The Roxy and Heatseeker (who was everyone's poster child for the "Synthetics Made Me Into A Good Horse" movement). He floundered in all his other dirt starts (which all happened to be his most important--ie Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic).

As opposed to worrying about what surface he was running on, I'd rather see what he could do with a cutback to a flat mile (or even 7f).

A BC Dirt Mile-Cigar Mile double would satisfy everyone, I suppose, unless someone wants him on grass.

well I agree about the distance part of your argument...I think its funny you say his two major dirt wins....those are the only major wins the horse has really had.

I'd say the Goodwood was somewhat major...it was on the lightning fast cushion track I remember, before they replaced it with pro ride.

un-related to tiago but...
 

is there any word on the pamplemoose and i want revenge?

just wondering how they are doing.

Come on. The recent history of both the Swaps and Goodwood reads like a laundry list of subsequent Big Cap, Dubai World Cup, and BC Classic winners.

Swaps is an Alw race in reality, nw2x usually.....the Goodwood has its ups and downs, I remember the field Tiago beat that day, it was so bad I think he was about 8/5 in the field as a three year old who was an also ran in the triple crown races.

Tiago beat subsequent BC Dirt Mile and Donn winner Albertus Maximus in his Swaps. I think the most accomplished horses he ended up beating in the Santa Anita Derby that year were the decent turf horse Medici Code and sprinter Black Seventeen.

The Swaps has always been a very productive race. Even last year, while Tres Borrachos didn't train on, Two Step Salsa and Colonel John have remained in the spotlight. The most modest runnings perhaps were Arson Squad's victory (and even he's been threatening to reach top class status) and During's a few years ago.

Tiago worked on the turf today at Del Mar!

Tiago
Notes
Activity type Workout
Activity date 08-02-2009
Track Del Mar
Surface Turf (Dogs up)
Distance 5 Furlongs
Workout type Handily
Workout time 0:59.20
Track condition Firm

New strategy perhaps?

I think Shirreffs is afraid of the surface, has he started a horse on the main track yet? Where are all his two year olds?

He's coming back on the turf after all!

Horse name Tiago
Notes
Activity type Entry
Activity date 08-26-2009
Track Del Mar
Surface Turf
Distance 1 1/16 Miles
Race number 8
Purse $85,000
Race type Stakes
Post position 4
Jockey Smith M E
Race entry http://www.drf.com/static/entries/26/eDMR26.html#8

His trainer said "he cant even stand up on polytrack"

:$:

Tiago has done enough..He is a slug plain and simple

I would still like to see him on dirt, 1 1/8.... Woodward would have been perfect.

I think a its time for the jumps for Tiago he sucks

OK he does suck, but is he worst then The Whitney exacta? I SAY, NO WAY.

He has done enouh he couldn't beat the filly that won the Alabama with a 1/16 of a mile head start. he will make a terrific stallion in Paraguay or Turkey.

I never said anything about the filly today.
He would have won The Whitney this year. I dont doubt that for a second. He has to be better then Bullsbay and Macho Again.

thats not hard

I'm feeling the life sucked out of me reading this thread:mad:

I feel that wait reading your posts sometimes, I don't know how anyone ever thought you were me.

WTF?:zz: Who are those stupid people?:eek:

Welcome back Tiago!

perfect set up.. fantabulas mike smith ..:tro:

That performance was a real knee slapper. (and i dont mean in the get-him-home sense)

I hope they run Zenyatta in the Distaff since they have Tiago for the Classic, he's the best handicap horse evah.

In all seriousness, I wish they'd run that chump on dirt. He'd be a friggen superstar on the east coast right now.

NT

That horse looked really bad, I thought he looked horrid in the post parade, he is not the most energetic horse but he looked like he had been Aced or something. I know they will say it was a prep, or the turf but that was just flat horrible.

:tro:

On the positive side, you'll get good odds on him for the Goodwood :) :)

He ran a pretty good 2008 Classic though. He admittedly sucked up and did tons less running than Curlin or the top 2 and was significantly worse than them, but still it was one of his better races.
He's always been overrated, but let's face it - the handicap division sucks on dirt. A solid horse like Tiago who can finish consistently is actually a meaningful figure in the sparse division.
On synthetic there are 5 times as many others who can be just as good for any given race, and when the talent goes world class he really has no shot to dream of winning(last year's suckup 3rd aside).

no ballerina footwork?

Are you kidding? Haven't you seen the Ghostzapper like Macho Again and Bullsbay?

I made the buyer beware analogy of name dirt horses that return on turf after an extended layoff about a month and a half ago with Colonel John, that time it didn't materialize, however as anyone saw yesterday Tiago looked absolutely awful in a very weak field that was even minus a money burner probable 2nd choice Becrux. Maybe it was an experiment but he certainly doesn't belong on turf after that episode.

like I said elsewhere, the people that made that horse 4/5 and used him in any multi race sequence are my hero and the reason that there is hope in this game.

It wasn't an experiment. His trainer clearly said he wasn't looking to see how the horse performed on grass but was using this race to get him ready for a run at the Goodwood and BC Classic. That's what I was saying earlier when Colonel John was racing. Too many people look at the race and read too much into it instead of looking at the purpose of the race. The purpose for both of these horses was just to get them back on the track and get a race into them. They weren't the goal races. Tiago did look awful yesterday. He would have looked awful on any surface the way he ran yesterday. To blame it on the grass would only be an attempt to prove you are right about dirt horses returning on the grass.

Exactly. And Shirreffs pointed out he didn't want them to run on the Poly.. so grass it was.