PROGRAMMING ALERT: 'Clemente' on PBS; 9pm
 

Recent discussion in the 'Stars' thread included Roberto Clemente and American Experience on PBS starting momentarily focusing on #21... FYI..

Translation : Steve is so erudite that he knows what is on PBS.

Pssssst, Scav...it means very smart.

LOL.. I was handicapping Wednesday's BEL and Thursday's HOL, and watching Antiques Roadshow, and it came up as being on next. Given that the famed 'Stars' thread featured Clemente prominantly, I thought the faithful might be interested... It's starting NOW! May be upstate/regional only.

Was that really necessary?

Pseudo necessary.

The guy with the bathtub that paid $2500 and it is now valued at $3500...I can't believe something like that was actually created on this earth, a retractable bathtub

Thanks for the tip, Steve. I'll never forget waking up on New Year's Day and my father telling me that Roberto Clemente had died in a plane crash. He was the greatest ballplayer I ever saw. 3,000 hits, .317 career batting average and a hit in all fourteen World Series games he played. But you had to see him play the outfield or run the bases to appreciate him. The greatest arm in terms of strength and accuracy ever, flawless in the outfield while catching fly balls down by his knees and the fiercest competitor. It's amazing that there's so little video of him playing the outfield. I've checked youtube and there's not much. He stopped leading the league in assists because everyone wised up and stopped trying to take an extra base on him.

If anyone wants the David Maraniss book on him, let me know and I'll send it to you.
Dick

:tro: that was awesome.

Thanks for the laugh.

:D Very Good Stuff DP We need to Take Up a collection And Get the Book for Chuck:D

Its on here in Middle TN.

my father's favorite player

No collection needed. I give away most of my books as long as the person promises to read it and then pass it on to others. Tell me who and where to send it.
Dick

I've read the book. Great player, great man. Not as good a hitter as Cabrera. Sorry for disappointing you guys with reality.

Different defensive metrics serve different purposes. Our Fielding Runs Above Average is strongest in terms of comparing performances across eras or levels, but it can produce different results than the others, which seem unanimous in their condemnation of Cabrera's work in the field. Even if he can't play defense, Cabrera is an MVP candidate every year thanks to his bat. Using Bill James's similarity scores, which don't adjust for era, Cabrera's top statistical comp at every age has been Hank Aaron, and if the visual doesn't work very well, the numbers don't lie-he's in the early stages of a Hall of Fame career. Moving to the Tigers changes nothing for him, save the possibility that he'll spend some time at DH or even first base. Concerns about his weight are overblown; if he was ripped, they'd say other things about him.

From 2008 Baseball Prospectus

I have said a prayer so God will not strike you dead.

Where was Coach Pants when that thread
morphed into baseball? threads must not diverge...

And this is in the horsey section?

that ment the better half had control of the remote:D
besides, antiques road show is kinda cool.:)

As if being a Tide Fan isn't bad enough....

You watched Lawrence Welk.

And liked it.

Actually, The Tina hates Roadshow... I have a number of antique collection interests and have watched it for years. Has a great pulse for trends in the collectable markets.

Have you been to the store New Old Stuff in Troy? They have some pretty neat stuff...I don't know how antique-ish it is though.

The retirement home awaits the arrival
of antique people.

Hank is an antique

Hank is a very cool antique! he buzzes around the farm pretty good. would have Never guessed he was that old.

He is back at work at the track again. No Social Security for him.

slave driver.:D

yes it has been tough lately:(

TV monday night
 

Saw the Roberto Clemete story as well. Great but also a sad story. It was tough, "On the Waterfront" with Brando was on at the same time on TCM so I was back and forth.

PBS, History Ch, Discovery, TCM and TLC and any good sports telacast are my main TV viewing.

PS great sow on ATR Monday afternoon!

TV monday night
 

Saw the Roberto Clemete story as well. Great but also a sad story. It was tough, "On the Waterfront" with Brando was on at the same time on TCM so I was back and forth.

PBS, History Ch, Discovery, TCM and TLC and any good sports telacast are my main TV viewing.

PS great show on ATR Monday afternoon!

I think the People Who wrote that need to Check with the Sportswriters Cabrera has never been Close to Winning the MVP oops He did Recieve 1 8th place vote in 2008 I think THe Closest he has ever been was in 2005 he finished 6th or 7th And He has Never recieved any 1st or 2nd Place votes.

Is this a defense of your position? Clemente did not even make the all star team his first 5 years in a league with far fewer players. His best MVP finish before the age of 31 was 4th. He won 1 MVP in 18 years. Clemente had two 100 rbi seasons in 18 years. He had two 90 rbi seasons. He had three 20 hr seasons. His life time average was a good .317 but only .007 points better than Cabrera, his onbase % is 20 points lower. While there is no doubt that he is far superior in the field, the MVP defense is weak.

that just proves that clemente played with and against better players and had to bat against far better pitching.