Derby Trail Forums

Derby Trail Forums (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/index.php)
-   International Racing (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=12)
-   -   Royal Ascot chit chat (http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30164)

my miss storm cat 06-10-2009 02:36 PM

Royal Ascot chit chat
 
Thought maybe instead of posting on the Greak Freak, best horse you won't be seeing and HK threads we could have one place for this.... :)

On the King's Stand...

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/n...ING_Stand.html

NoChanceToDance 06-10-2009 02:41 PM

Only two horses you need to consider to have avery happy Royal Ascot....

J J The Jet Plane

and

Canford Cliffs - my 14/1 about him winning the Coventry looks very good now. Best 2yo Hannon has got.

my miss storm cat 06-10-2009 02:42 PM

No love for the Sacred one? :eek:

I'm a big JJ fan too.

brockguy 06-10-2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
No love for the Sacred one? :eek:

I'm a big JJ fan too.

Im a fan of both.. JJ was so impressive at Windsor the other night and that will have put him spot on. Sacred Kingdom will have to be a machine to beat him..

NoChanceToDance 06-10-2009 02:59 PM

I like Sacred Kingdom, but to me, he is a flashy sprinter. When he comes up against a very tough horse like JJ, he could find things getting a bit difficult for him. He seems to enjoy winning races easily and he won't be able to do that at Royal Ascot. I just think that JJ will have not only a race fitness edge, but he also looks like the Ideal type to win a big field sprint over a stiff six furlongs.

I'm most looking forward to Canford Cliffs though. I was told about him the day before he made his racecourse debut. The words, which I heard down the phone "best 2yo that hannon has by far" and after witnessing Monsieur Chevallier, you knew that this one was something special. He spreadeagled subsequent winners on his debut and will only improve.

Looking forward to seeing the American horses, I hope they do well. I've heard that the Queen Mary candidate looks a right tool

Pedigree Ann 06-11-2009 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
Looking forward to seeing the American horses, I hope they do well. I've heard that the Queen Mary candidate looks a right tool

The Florida-breds are always a bit ahead of the 'northern-bred' foals in the earlier parts of the 2yo season over here. They get to be outside all the time in nice weather down in the Sunshine State as foals and it gives them a head-start. Will be fascinating to see if they have that sort of physical advantage over the GBs and IREs.

brockguy 06-11-2009 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
The Florida-breds are always a bit ahead of the 'northern-bred' foals in the earlier parts of the 2yo season over here. They get to be outside all the time in nice weather down in the Sunshine State as foals and it gives them a head-start. Will be fascinating to see if they have that sort of physical advantage over the GBs and IREs.

If they do have a physical edge, it will be a huge help, as some of the juvenile races can be extremely rough races.. There is also plenty of quality in those races though even though its quite early.

NoChanceToDance 06-11-2009 03:53 PM

I think Jealous Again will have a big chance in the Queen Mary.

brockguy 06-11-2009 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
I think Jealous Again will have a big chance in the Queen Mary.

yeah but the last part of this article puts me off. Thats what you get when you put John Egan aboard..

from racingpost

JOCKEYS Kieren Fallon and John Egan teamed up to give US trainer Wesley Ward's ground-breaking Royal Ascot team a first feel of British racecourse surroundings on the Rowley Mile at Newmarket on Wednesday morning.

Overseen by Ward"s assistantJose Corrales, the work kicked off with Fallon aboard the Albany Stakes-bound Aegean, who went three furlongs at a brisk pace with fellow juvenile Jealous Again, who was ridden by Egan.

Jealous Again showed the uphill finish held no terrors for her when bursting five lengths clear of a partner under a hand ride and on this evidence would appear a live contender for the Group 2 Queen Mary Stakes.

Aegean had held the upper hand the last time these two met in public at Keeneland in April but she took a little time to get her act together in the dip.

Corrales said: "This is the first time these horses have been on grass since they came over here last Thursday. Jealous Again worked well, maybe too well. I told Johnny to go 36 which is 12, 12 and 12 per furlong but maybe he did it in 34 and change."

Pedigree Ann 06-13-2009 11:53 AM

Any word on Yeats? His shock loss in his debut this year makes one wonder; is he the horse he has been? 'Course, Geordieland seems to be better than ever at 8, so...,

Pedigree Ann 06-13-2009 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy
yeah but the last part of this article puts me off. Thats what you get when you put John Egan aboard..

Jealous Again worked well, maybe too well. I told Johnny to go 36 which is 12, 12 and 12 per furlong but maybe he did it in 34 and change."[/b]

Depends on how she did it; if she went easily, without expending much effort, she should be fine. If she was working hard to do it, that's a bad sign. Although it is probably a bit much to ask GB jocks to judge time, since it's such a small part of riding and racing over there.

NoChanceToDance 06-13-2009 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann
Any word on Yeats? His shock loss in his debut this year makes one wonder; is he the horse he has been? 'Course, Geordieland seems to be better than ever at 8, so...,

I do believe we have probably seen the best of him now. There were excuses to his defeat, but he would usually overcome them with his class, but for me the sparkle was almost gone.

I hope I'm wrong, but it didn't look good.

_ed_ 06-16-2009 08:44 AM

Wow, Paco Boy was sensational in the Queen Anne. The race was over when he hit the lead under a tight hold two furlongs out. Really impressive.

I've always been a big fan of Cesare, so I'm thrilled he came second.

Gladiatorus was a big disappointment. Ahmed Ajtebi might get a bit of criticism for the ride. He did go very fast early in the race.

magic_idol 06-16-2009 09:04 AM

Aussie Aussie Aussie Oie Oie Oie !!!! ;-)

Bigsmc 06-16-2009 09:04 AM

From Jessica Lamb, Wesley Ward, trainer of American raider Cannonball, has always been bullish about his steeds chances and could say only this: "I didn't bring him over for the weather! The ground is plenty quick but he's the oneto beat."

:rolleyes:

magic_idol 06-16-2009 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
From Jessica Lamb, Wesley Ward, trainer of American raider Cannonball, has always been bullish about his steeds chances and could say only this: "I didn't bring him over for the weather! The ground is plenty quick but he's the oneto beat."

:rolleyes:


For a 33 to 1 shot i thought his talk was a little bold for the horse he had & the horses in the field ;-)

Scav 06-16-2009 09:14 AM

I wonder if Irish is rocking some tails today...

_ed_ 06-16-2009 09:15 AM

Good lord. Scenic Blast swallowed the field up in four or five strides.

Nice efforts by the second and third horses, but he was a class above them.

Bigsmc 06-16-2009 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I wonder if Irish is rocking some tails today...

After seeing how dashing you looked on Derby day, I am sure they are all white tails.

Scav 06-16-2009 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
After seeing how dashing you looked on Derby day, I am sure they are all white tails.

Oh wow, thank you for that idea :)

_ed_ 06-16-2009 09:59 AM

That was an awesome race. A shame that one of them had to lose.

_ed_ 06-16-2009 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoChanceToDance
I'm most looking forward to Canford Cliffs though. I was told about him the day before he made his racecourse debut. The words, which I heard down the phone "best 2yo that hannon has by far" and after witnessing Monsieur Chevallier, you knew that this one was something special. He spreadeagled subsequent winners on his debut and will only improve.

That was a bit special. 6 lengths, and could have been more.

_ed_ 06-16-2009 10:27 AM

10-1 for the Guineas now.

_ed_ 06-16-2009 11:34 AM

Impressive speed there from Strike The Tiger for the USA. Nice win, and the stablemates will have to be respected later in the week.

NoChanceToDance 06-16-2009 12:04 PM

I hope some of you had some cash on Canford Cliffs. A stunning performance.

I'm not sure if he will be a guineas horse though, could be a seriously good sprinter.

brockguy 06-16-2009 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I wonder if Irish is rocking some tails today...

I was there, but just a suit and tie! Its such a cool day out, ye should defo come over for it..

The first 4 races were just great to watch - worth the entry fee. Im gutted Sesenta couldnt make it 5 great races!

Scav 06-16-2009 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brockguy
I was there, but just a suit and tie! Its such a cool day out, ye should defo come over for it..

The first 4 races were just great to watch - worth the entry fee. Im gutted Sesenta couldnt make it 5 great races!

Its like 150 euro to get in right?

Hoping for either coming to Ireland or Royal Ascot next year....

blackthroatedwind 06-16-2009 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Its like 150 euro to get in right?

Hoping for either coming to Ireland or Royal Ascot next year....


If you head over to Ireland, I set the over/under on number of times you hear the word " wanker " at 37 1/2.

Scav 06-16-2009 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If you head over to Ireland, I set the over/under on number of times you hear the word " wanker " at 37 1/2.

I thought 'wanker' was just an English term??

I guess we all can't be as cool or fit in like you can...

blackthroatedwind 06-16-2009 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I thought 'wanker' was just an English term??

I guess we all can't be as cool or fit in like you can...

Did you consider the possibility that perhaps I was speaking from personal experience?

Scav 06-16-2009 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Did you consider the possibility that perhaps I was speaking from personal experience?

No, I couldn't fathom the idea of anyone calling you a wanker...

blackthroatedwind 06-16-2009 09:36 PM

It's unfathomable.

brockguy 06-17-2009 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If you head over to Ireland, I set the over/under on number of times you hear the word " wanker " at 37 1/2.

:)

Bigsmc 06-17-2009 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
If you head over to Ireland, I set the over/under on number of times you hear the word " wanker " at 37 1/2.

If he is dressed as he is in my avatar, I'll crush the over on that.

Scav 06-17-2009 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
If he is dressed as he is in my avatar, I'll crush the over on that.

With the way Kev dressed at the Derby, I doubt they even look at people's clothing :)

blackthroatedwind 06-17-2009 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
If he is dressed as he is in my avatar, I'll crush the over on that.


Take the under in that case.....he will be killed LONG before the count hits the mid 30s.

Pedigree Ann 06-17-2009 11:25 AM

British horses just don't have the speed over sprint distances that US and Aussie horses do. We emphasize it in our racing programs over classic distance ability, so is this any surprise?

I see that the formal black cowboy hat was worn in the winner's circle for Jealous Again. Very cool.

Betsy 06-17-2009 05:26 PM

How'd Spacious look? I'm thrilled she won - she hadn't been in great form since early in her 3 year old year.

brockguy 06-17-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betsy
How'd Spacious look? I'm thrilled she won - she hadn't been in great form since early in her 3 year old year.

Betsy, it was a rather enterprising ride from Murtagh to win it,he didnt set that fast a gallop but she battled back when challenged by Heaven Sent. She didnt look too great last time out at Epsom, but many horses just cant handle that track. She should be there or thereabouts in G1 races this year!

my miss storm cat 06-18-2009 10:12 AM

Jesus Yeats was amazing. :)


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:17 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.