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Kasept 06-08-2009 03:40 PM

UPDATE: Dunkirk surgery for left hind condylar fracture..
 
Reports indicating DUNKIRK has a fracture in the hind end suffered in the Belmont that will require surgery. Not being called career-ending...

Tuesday 6/9 Update (8:25am):
Reports confirm that Dunkirk has a non-displaced condylar fracture in his left hind. Surgery today...

Sightseek 06-08-2009 03:42 PM

Bummer.

Coach Pants 06-08-2009 03:42 PM

Yeah right. He's done enough.

pointman 06-08-2009 03:43 PM

Unfortunate, I thought he ran a hell of a race, especially since he came back to get ahead Mine That Bird after those fast early fractions. Hope he is ok, I was looking forward to seeing more of him.

zippyneedsawin 06-08-2009 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Reports indicating DUNKIRK has a fracture in the hind end suffered in the Belmont that will require surgery. Not being called career-ending...


That's too bad.. I doubt we see him on the track again.

NTamm1215 06-08-2009 03:58 PM

Impossible...Unbridled's Song progeny are the picture of health, just like their daddy.

NT

CSC 06-08-2009 04:00 PM

An Unbridled's Song, late start to his career, lightly raced, trained by Pletcher... a recipe for a short career. Atleast he went out fighting.

Hickory Hill Hoff 06-08-2009 04:01 PM

That's too bad, his effort was gutsy in defeat.

Riot 06-08-2009 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
An Unbridled's Song, late start to his career, lightly raced, trained by Pletcher... a recipe for a short career. Atleast he went out fighting.

Exactly. I was afraid we'd be hearing this today, after that good effort. A shame. What a gorgeous horse, beautiful way of moving at speed.

That continues to prove to me there's more to soundness than conformation - physiology is inherited, too.

Coach Pants 06-08-2009 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
Exactly. I was afraid we'd be hearing this today, after that good effort. A shame. What a gorgeous horse, beautiful way of moving at speed.

That continues to prove to me there's more to soundness than conformation - physiology is inherited, too.

Nice redboard.

King Glorious 06-08-2009 05:19 PM

First one out. The Test of Champions is also the Precursor to Retirements. One day, people will get it.

Oh wait, I already know the responses. It's purely coincidence and horses get injured everyday, even in the barns.

Bobby Fischer 06-08-2009 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
First one out. The Test of Champions is also the Precursor to Retirements. One day, people will get it.

Oh wait, I already know the responses. It's purely coincidence and horses get injured everyday, even in the barns.

:confused:



They should have 2 good allowance or better 12 furlong races every month.

prudery 06-08-2009 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
First one out. The Test of Champions is also the Precursor to Retirements. One day, people will get it.

Oh wait, I already know the responses. It's purely coincidence and horses get injured everyday, even in the barns.

Do not blame the TC---undertrained stall potatoes do not belong in the TC, so get that ...

A lovely animal overfaced in the TC or elswhere will be vulnerable ...

Bobby Fischer 06-08-2009 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Reports indicating DUNKIRK has a fracture in the hind end suffered in the Belmont that will require surgery. Not being called career-ending...


damn :mad:

he's probably done too. Sucks

King Glorious 06-08-2009 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prudery
Do not blame the TC---undertrained stall potatoes do not belong in the TC, so get that ...

A lovely animal overfaced in the TC or elswhere will be vulnerable ...

I don't blame the TC at all. I agree with what you say here. The problem is that with the way they are trained and raced today, they will continue to be undertrained and asked to do more than they are ready to do. Not more than they are capable of doing but more than they are ready to do. There's a difference. My thing has never been that the TC is too hard or that it should be changed because it's too hard. My thing has been that if they are going to continue to change the way they breed, train, and race the horses, then the races have to be adapted to fit the horses. I'd love it if the horses were adapted to fit the races but that's not the way it goes anymore.

Riot 06-08-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Nice redboard.

Just pointing out me, not CSC? Thanks.

Unfortunately, considering the source, it means nothing :(

prudery 06-08-2009 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't blame the TC at all. I agree with what you say here. The problem is that with the way they are trained and raced today, they will continue to be undertrained and asked to do more than they are ready to do. Not more than they are capable of doing but more than they are ready to do. There's a difference. My thing has never been that the TC is too hard or that it should be changed because it's too hard. My thing has been that if they are going to continue to change the way they breed, train, and race the horses, then the races have to be adapted to fit the horses. I'd love it if the horses were adapted to fit the races but that's not the way it goes anymore.

That is the way I want it to go, and how many early retirements will influence this...

Lowering the bar, further lowers the product ...

Understand you viewpoint better now ...

Slewbopper 06-08-2009 05:35 PM

5-2-2-0....No stakes wins....25K sounds like a good stud fee

Riot 06-08-2009 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
Way to go out on a limb there, Darwin.

And you plan your breedings via .... ? There's an awful lot of horse breeders that don't seem to consider career soundness when planning matings.

Coach Pants 06-08-2009 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
Just pointing out me, not CSC? Thanks.

Unfortunately, considering the source, it means nothing :(

He didn't come out and say he was afraid there would be an announcement of an injury TODAY


Durrrrrrrrrrr. Duh durrrrrrrrrrrr

Riot 06-08-2009 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
The indisputable fact that between 100-200 mare owners plan their matings without regard to Unbridled Song's history of brittle offspring has nothing to do with pointing out that it should not surprise anyone that soundness in a sire has an impact on his offspring. I suspect that you could find this notion in a Genetics 101 textbook.

How dare I point that out! Glad you took it upon yourself to correct me with a rude insult, while reiterating the concept yourself (which is okay, right Darwin? ;)

Linny 06-08-2009 06:20 PM

That track was rock hard and though it looked like it was harrowed, it was only open about 1.5 inches, according to someone who walked on it.
Others will come out of Saturday's card injured, but if they are less than stakes status we probably won't know about it.

ddthetide 06-08-2009 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Reports indicating DUNKIRK has a fracture in the hind end suffered in the Belmont that will require surgery. Not being called career-ending...

sad news. i loved the heart he showed saturday. he won me to his corner. hope he comes back better than ever.

Danzig 06-08-2009 09:13 PM

a shame, but not a surprise.

meanwhile, quality road is back to work, and music note is heading for her first start since the bc...

http://www.drf.com/news/article/104483.html

sumitas 06-08-2009 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
That track was rock hard and though it looked like it was harrowed, it was only open about 1.5 inches, according to someone who walked on it.
Others will come out of Saturday's card injured, but if they are less than stakes status we probably won't know about it.

Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?
The 4x5 Raise A Native is never a cross for soundness . That and the hard surface was a recipe for disaster . Hope the other runners on the card are ok .

Edit: Pedigreequery informs that his dam, millionairess Secret Status, has produced 5 foals that have started a total of 13 times . Including the unraced 2004 son of Storm Cat, Objectivity, that sold for $6.3 mil.

hockey2315 06-08-2009 11:25 PM

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Port Conway Lane 06-08-2009 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?
The 4x5 Raise A Native is never a cross for soundness . That and the hard surface was a recipe for disaster . Hope the other runners on the card are ok .

I think that statement is way too broad.I could probably look in the form tomorrow and find 10 horses on any given card who are bred 3-5x3-5 to Raise A Native. I could never prove how sound any of them are but my point is that breeding is so common I'm sure there have to be some who are sound.It is no different than judging a horses distance ability based only on breeding and ignoring his on track performance.

Too bad about Dunkirk.I know it's easy to say these things happen but it does.At least it didn't occur on the track in front of everyone watching.

chucklestheclown 06-09-2009 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Reports indicating DUNKIRK has a fracture in the hind end suffered in the Belmont that will require surgery. Not being called career-ending...

People have been saying this all day but I haven't found a link yet. I just looked on TTimes, Equibase, Bloodhorse, DRF and even ESPN and see no story on any of them. Anyone?

Rupert Pupkin 06-09-2009 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slewbopper
5-2-2-0....No stakes wins....25K sounds like a good stud fee

They couldn't get anything close to $25k. As you said, he has no stakes wins. They would be lucky to get $10k.

letswastemoney 06-09-2009 02:07 AM

Which horse is the most durable Unbridled's Song offspring? Are there any that have lasted a long time?

letswastemoney 06-09-2009 03:32 AM

Octave, now that I think of it. She didn't race for a long time, but I don't remember her getting any major injuries

Indian Charlie 06-09-2009 03:40 AM

I just read he's aiming for a rematch with the 'birds' in the Travers.

Kasept 06-09-2009 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sumitas
Thank you for pointing this out . Belmont has a history of a surface that is too hard . Will they ever learn ?

You realize they run races outdoors, right?. There was nearly 2 inches of rain that fell in the prior 30 hours to Friday midnight. The crew had already been working for 12 hours when the races started at 11:30 Saturday. They did an unbelievable job getting that track into good and then fast shape. Please try to not let your ridiculous surface agenda spew spill out here. There may be people who actually think there's some credibility to it.

Kasept 06-09-2009 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
I just read he's aiming for a rematch with the 'birds' in the Travers.

The report comes from a reliable source. I'd be very surprised if it isn't accurate.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-09-2009 05:55 AM

I heard a report that the weather in NY City was "wild out" at around 2:30 ish in the morning last night.

Can anyone confirm?

2Hot4TV 06-09-2009 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
He didn't come out and say he was afraid there would be an announcement of an injury TODAY


Durrrrrrrrrrr. Duh durrrrrrrrrrrr

Cant afford your medication this month?

Port Conway Lane 06-09-2009 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Which horse is the most durable Unbridled's Song offspring? Are there any that have lasted a long time?

That's a good question and what I found out using the pedigreequery site is that his offspring are no less durable than AP Indy.

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...l%20Horses&cf=

http://www.pedigreequery.com/index.p...l%20Horses&cf=

The links above are sorted by record.Most of the horses near the top are geldings.When sorted by earnings there is very little overall difference bretween the two sires as far as durability.

I believe there are blanket assumptions made about certain sires when the progeny that standout are injured.Especially the sires who had highly publicized injuries themselves.

Well the links I copied and pasted didn't take. To view choose "progeny" under the reports column.

Kasept 06-09-2009 07:27 AM

Tuesday 6/9 Update (8:25am):

Reports confirm that Dunkirk has a non-displaced condylar fracture in his left hind. Surgery today...


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