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10 pnt move up 06-06-2009 05:32 PM

Great timed wide ride Borail
 
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cowgirlintexas 06-06-2009 05:33 PM

:rolleyes:

SniperSB23 06-06-2009 05:33 PM

Kent was absolutely right about experience at Belmont.

10 pnt move up 06-06-2009 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Kent was absolutely right about experience at Belmont.

He learned the hard way 11 years ago

cowgirlintexas 06-06-2009 05:35 PM

Great race by Dunkirk as well... Showed he is the real deal.

GPK 06-06-2009 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Kent was absolutely right about experience at Belmont.

No doubt. Borel had a ton of horse too. Just a very pre-mature move.

Dunkirk ran a very game 2nd setting decent early fraction.

Travis Stone 06-06-2009 05:38 PM

Woolley is all class with that post race interview... I'm glad their horse is a gelding, he's good for the game.

10 pnt move up 06-06-2009 05:38 PM

Borel was saying they were going slow up front, is that half and three quarters slow for 12 furlongs.

SniperSB23 06-06-2009 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Borel was saying they were going slow up front, is that half and three quarters slow for 12 furlongs.

No, it was very fast.

Bobby Fischer 06-06-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
No, it was very fast.

good final time as well.

I didn't like Summer Bird at all. Well, I liked him a lot at 1 1/16th... Wow.

Bobby Fischer 06-06-2009 05:43 PM

my video feed @#$^#^ed up , but did John Velazquez sneak up the RAIL 1st turn with Dunkirk??
Nice move from a jock who hasn't scrapped the paint in 3 or 4 years.:tro:

GPK 06-06-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
my video feed @#$^#^ed up , but did John Velazquez sneak up the RAIL 1st turn with Dunkirk??
Nice move from a jock who hasn't scrapped the paint in 3 or 4 years.:tro:

No sneaking involved. He broke very well and went straight to the lead. Very very game race by Dunkirk.

tiggerv 06-06-2009 05:50 PM

Dunkirk ran a very nice race. 47 was just too fast.

Good race for Kent. He took a lot of **** last year that was mostly undeserved.

Sightseek 06-06-2009 05:56 PM

We're not at Churchill anymore Toto...

letswastemoney 06-06-2009 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv
Dunkirk ran a very nice race. 47 was just too fast.

Good race for Kent. He took a lot of **** last year that was mostly undeserved.

He pulled up a horse that wanted to finish the race. I'd say it was deserved. However slow Big Brown was going, I don't see why he had to just completely stop him in the middle of the race. I'm not saying he should have whipped him or anything, but it's a disservice to gamblers to see a perfectly healthy horse being stopped by the jockey like that.

Rupert Pupkin 06-06-2009 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv
Dunkirk ran a very nice race. 47 was just too fast.

Good race for Kent. He took a lot of **** last year that was mostly undeserved.

Yes, I agree. I figured the half would go in about :48 or so and I figured Dunkirk would be 3-4 lengths back. That horse does not want to be on the lead in :47 in a 1 1/2 mile race. I think he would have been right there if they would have taken him back.

cakes44 06-06-2009 06:32 PM

That Belmont/Sonya comparison by Kent after the race was about as stupid as anything I've heard not out of Goldberg's mouth.


She does have great jugs though.

cakes44 06-06-2009 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Yes, I agree. I figured the half would go in about :48 or so and I figured Dunkirk would be 3-4 lengths back. That horse does not want to be on the lead in :47 in a 1 1/2 mile race. I think he would have been right there if they would have taken him back.

He got away with a 25 second third quarter on the backstretch though. I thought Velazquez gave Dunkirk the best chance he had at winning today. You have to take into account how quick the track was playing as well before judging the pace numbers.

GBBob 06-06-2009 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
He pulled up a horse that wanted to finish the race. I'd say it was deserved. However slow Big Brown was going, I don't see why he had to just completely stop him in the middle of the race. I'm not saying he should have whipped him or anything, but it's a disservice to gamblers to see a perfectly healthy horse being stopped by the jockey like that.

He had half his shoe ripped off

NTamm1215 06-06-2009 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
He got away with a 25 second third quarter on the backstretch though. I thought Velazquez gave Dunkirk the best chance he had at winning today. You have to take into account how quick the track was playing as well before judging the pace numbers.

You're absolutely right.

NT

Bobby Fischer 06-06-2009 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
He had half his shoe ripped off

for some reason this fact will be ignored by many in history. :confused:

DaTruth 06-06-2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
That Belmont/Sonya comparison by Kent after the race was about as stupid as anything I've heard not out of Goldberg's mouth.


She does have great jugs though.

That is the difference between Kent and Calvin. Kent says crap like that during his interview. Calvin spits during his interview.

sumitas 06-07-2009 12:35 AM

Dunkirk looked very good . Long striding throughout the race .

docicu3 06-07-2009 02:57 AM

Dunkirk is a horse who has done quite enough........

MaTH716 06-07-2009 07:30 AM

This might seem like a ridiculous question, but has Borel rode in many races at Belmont in the past. I think he's been in town since Tuesday and I think the only mount I saw him on was MTB. Usually an out of town jock, not so familiar to Belmont comes in a day or two early and picks up a few mounts just to get a feel of the track. But it's funny, I just don't remember (not that I have the memory of you guys when it comes to this stuff) Calvin being at Belmont at all.

Obviously I didn't think it was a good ride and I thought that Dunkirk ran a very big race.

3kings 06-07-2009 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
This might seem like a ridiculous question, but has Borel rode in many races at Belmont in the past. I think he's been in town since Tuesday and I think the only mount I saw him on was MTB. Usually an out of town jock, not so familiar to Belmont comes in a day or two early and picks up a few mounts just to get a feel of the track. But it's funny, I just don't remember (not that I have the memory of you guys when it comes to this stuff) Calvin being at Belmont at all.

Obviously I didn't think it was a good ride and I thought that Dunkirk ran a very big race.

You are correct, that was his only ride. I heard some announcer say that he had an earlier mount but took off, I'm not sure if that was correct.

geeker2 06-07-2009 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
This might seem like a ridiculous question, but has Borel rode in many races at Belmont in the past. I think he's been in town since Tuesday and I think the only mount I saw him on was MTB. Usually an out of town jock, not so familiar to Belmont comes in a day or two early and picks up a few mounts just to get a feel of the track. But it's funny, I just don't remember (not that I have the memory of you guys when it comes to this stuff) Calvin being at Belmont at all.

Obviously I didn't think it was a good ride and I thought that Dunkirk ran a very big race.

The number of Belmont rides was something like a total of 7 - never a two turn only sprints...:eek:

Pedigree Ann 06-07-2009 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
Great race by Dunkirk as well... Showed he is the real deal.

Speed on the rail was golden at Belmont yesterday.

I think Dunkirk's connections very cleverly took advantage of the track condition to get their best possible outcome with a horse who is, I fear, rather one-paced.

Borel's move was 1/4 mile early. He needed to ride at the track last week, instead of going on TV shows. He's generally a humble, hard-working gentleman and I think all this attention went to his head.

SniperSB23 06-07-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings
You are correct, that was his only ride. I heard some announcer say that he had an earlier mount but took off, I'm not sure if that was correct.

He got off Sciacca's horse but that race was on the turf so probably wouldn't have helped. Probably a smart move to get off since that horse dumped the rider and ran off after the race.

10 pnt move up 06-07-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
I read in today's New York Post, from JR: "I couldn't believe that I was on the lead early. There was no pace."

I think he meant no one took out in front of him, but to even though the track was fast the raw pace for that distance was pretty quick, and at worst fair.

DaTruth 06-07-2009 11:27 PM

Maybe Borel was trying to perform the "Belmont Balcony"* move and forgot how to finish it.

*Thanks to BigD and Brooklysain over at startinggate for reminding me of the name.

johnny pinwheel 06-08-2009 08:24 AM

i thought calvin went a little early for the way his horse runs. meanwhile kent gave his horse the perfect inside out trip and his horse was full of run in the last eighth. i did not have summerbird but some of my friends hit it. one of them said something about an unpublished work where the horse freaked and looked like he did saturday. does anyone know about this?

Antitrust32 06-08-2009 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv
Dunkirk ran a very nice race. 47 was just too fast.

Good race for Kent. He took a lot of **** last year that was mostly undeserved.


:tro: very true..

Kasept 06-08-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tiggerv
Good race for Kent. He took a lot of **** last year that was mostly undeserved.

tigg,

It was indeed a good race for Desormeaux and in fact an absolutely textbook perfect Belmont Stakes ride on that type of horse. But make no mistake... any crap he took last year was 100% deserved, as it always is with him. He is a study in contrasts, equally capable of brilliance and unparalleled stupidity. And he reminds everyone of that on a regular basis.

Sightseek 06-08-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
tigg,

It was indeed a good race for Desormeaux and in fact an absolutely textbook perfect Belmont Stakes ride on that type of horse. But make no mistake... any crap he took last year was 100% deserved, as it always is with him. He is a study in contrasts, equally capable of brilliance and unparalleled stupidity. And he reminds everyone of that on a regular basis.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

Antitrust32 06-08-2009 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
:tro: :tro: :tro:


the stupidity of last year was that Big Brown was entered in the race to begin with.

Kasept 06-08-2009 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel
i thought calvin went a little early for the way his horse runs. meanwhile kent gave his horse the perfect inside out trip and his horse was full of run in the last eighth. i did not have summerbird but some of my friends hit it. one of them said something about an unpublished work where the horse freaked and looked like he did saturday. does anyone know about this?

They may be refering to his wild morning Wednesday where he was supposed to 2 minute lick and then blow out 3/8ths down the lane. All of that was fine, except that Summer Bird did not want to stop after the blow out past the wire and couldn't be pulled up for another 5/16th. He basically worked 6f and made a complete circuit around the full mile and a half in a published 3f effort. And Ice STILL had to gallop him Friday when he was planning to just jog up to the race because Summer Bird was so full of himself.

Ice had him incredibly tuned up. Everyone who saw him in the Paddock rushed to the windows. He was snorting and grunting with head bowed and neck arched. He looked ready to explode.

cowgirlintexas 06-08-2009 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
They may be refering to his wild morning Wednesday where he was supposed to 2 minute lick and then blow out 3/8ths down the lane. All of that was fine, except that Summer Bird did not want to stop after the blow out past the wire and couldn't be pulled up for another 5/16th. He basically worked 6f and made a complete circuit around the full mile and a half in a published 3f effort. And Ice STILL had to gallop him Friday when he was planning to just jog up to the race because Summer Bird was so full of himself.

Ice had him incredibly tuned up. Everyone who saw him in the Paddock rushed to the windows. He was snorting and grunting with head bowed and neck arched. He looked ready to explode.

Did you by chance get a wager in Steve?

Kasept 06-08-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cowgirlintexas
Did you by chance get a wager in Steve?

I did. Just a simple $6 across the board. After having Tim Ice on the show 3 times since the end of April, I would have been sick to not have had anything on him Saturday. I also found a $1 exacta with him and others over Mine That Bird and Dunkirk as I was going through the day's tickets. I had forgotten about it and came very close to throwing it away... I still lost $250 on the day.


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