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Kasept 06-05-2009 06:11 AM

6/5: Belmont (6th-10th)
 
Went into last leg of double carry P6 live to even money Zito MTO for just under $10,000 Thursday, only to see Paco Lopez scrubbing on no horse around the far turn. It was not to be, and the P4 went down the drain as well. Cannot complain about the outcome for a second though, because while I made a bad decision wasting multiples in the third leg 6th, (when Parisella favorite jogged), I may not have used the J. Jerkens nightcap winner anyway had more slots been an option for me. 5 of 6 conso was kind enough to pay $200 to cover the $192 play. Caught a nice $100+ triple earlier in the card when Jaystone ran to expectation. Hope you did well.

Dreadful day of weather seems a certainty today. Better today than tomorrow...


BELMONT PARK


POST-SCRATCHES


6th: NYB-OC/N2X, 3+, 8.5f (G/S, P3, DD)

Most Likely: #4 SOUTH FOURTH ST. 5-2
Best Value: #3 Stopbluffing 6-1
Next Best: #5 A Zero Trap 4-1


7th: MDN CLM, F&M-3+, 8.5f-T (P4, P3, DD)

OFF THE TURF: 8-1a-7


8th: Glowing Honor, F&M-3+, 6f-IT (P3, DD, Super)

OFF THE TURF: 11-12-13-8


9th: Hill Prince (Gr. III), 3yo, 1m (DD, Super)

OFF THE TURF: 2-3-10-8


10th: Brooklyn H. (Gr. II), 3+, 12f (Super)

Most Likely: #1 Ea 7-2 (Expected half of entry)
Best Value: #2 Nite Light 6-1
Next Best: #7 Alcomo 4-1
Super Add: #9 Rising Moon 5-1


<$75 P4 Play:

7: 1-7-8
8: 11-12-13
9: 2-3-8-10
10: 1-7

3x3x4x2 = $72


Good luck!
Steve

herkhorse 06-05-2009 06:19 AM

Man, the weather forecast went down the drain in a hurry. Supposed to rain tonight too.:mad: With over 1 inch of rain expected today and tonight, can they stay on the turf tomorrow?

Kasept 06-05-2009 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herkhorse
Man, the weather forecast went down the drain in a hurry. Supposed to rain tonight too.:mad: With over 1 inch of rain expected today and tonight, can they stay on the turf tomorrow?

They'll do everything possibvle for the two stakes obviously. As long as it isn't dangerous, the Manhattan and Just a Game should be OK. The 4th, 5th, 12th and 13th are the other scheduled grass events and would be dubious if the rain comes as expected. The entire weather situation shifted from Wed-Thurs to Thurs-Fri. Saturday still appears beautiful.

Right now it is OK here.. Didn't get much rain last night either.

Bogey 06-05-2009 06:41 AM

I like Nite Light to make amends for last year's running at a value price.

SundaySilence 06-05-2009 08:44 AM

Quote:

only to see Paco Lopez scrubbing on no horse around the far turn.
Steve, I think Maragh was aboard Zito's horse in the last.

I have my own agonizing beat at Hollywood, played a $72 late pick 4...
using 2/ 2,4-7,10-12 / 3,4,8 / 2,4,8
thinking the 6th is wide open and I throw out the 4 horses that I believe had NO chance (all 4 went off at 75-1 or higher) instead of hitting the ALL button (for another $36) . Stein wins with 100-1 shot in 6th and pk4 pays 29K !!!

Still in agony over that play. When I hit the ALL I get the chalk, when I trim I get burnt.

hockey2315 06-05-2009 09:45 AM

Surprised you don't like the Trombetta in the Hill Prince, Steve.

viscount26 06-05-2009 10:31 AM

Turf courst listed as soft for 8th & 9th
Scratches for the late plays
5th Off the turf 1,3,5,7,8
7th Off the turf 1,2
8th 1,2,9
9th 7
10th 1A, 8

Kasept 06-05-2009 10:56 AM

1

1 (poe) Tempest Storm Early OFF TURF / NO SHOW or TRIFECTA
1X Not Now Early
2 Inter Galactic Early
3 Catching Early
4 My Nina Rose Early
7 Elena's Princess Early


3

1A Decorated Court Early


4

1 (poe) Mani Bhavan Early NO SHOW or TRIFECTA
1A Hollywood Hills Early
2 Roxyana Early


5

1 Baronshill Early OFF TURF / NO TRIFECTA or SUPERFECTA
3 Tizallaboutme Early
5 Morethan Fourhours Early
7 Ex Pat Early
8 Ducduc Early


7

1 (poe) Try Your Best (TUR) Early OFF TURF
2 Raffie's Princess Early


8

1 Anofficerandalady Early
2 Life Lesson Early
9 Sales Tax Early


9

7 Elmfield Boy Early


10

1A Barrier Reef Early
4 Lord Kipling Early
8 Don Misil (ARG) Early

Kasept 06-05-2009 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Surprised you don't like the Trombetta in the Hill Prince, Steve.

I don't get him at all... Only if it comes off.

declansharbor 06-05-2009 11:12 AM

Who moves up in the slop today for the Brooklyn? Eldaafer and Alcomo (logical off-track play) ??

Mike 06-05-2009 11:30 AM

Can I get a verification on the turf status of the 8th and 9th? Are those two races still on soft grass?

CSC 06-05-2009 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
Who moves up in the slop today for the Brooklyn? Eldaafer and Alcomo (logical off-track play) ??

Depending on the odds I would lean with one of the expected speed horses, Delosvientos is a tough call at only the 3-1ML, however he has a history of running well after being beaten double digits in his last race.

Kasept 06-05-2009 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike
Can I get a verification on the turf status of the 8th and 9th? Are those two races still on soft grass?

8th was just taken off the turf...


Appears to be an increasing chance that Hill Prince 9th is coming off. Am in press box and will update as soon as there is any announcement...

pointman 06-05-2009 11:37 AM

The 8th is now off the turf and the scratches are now 1,2,6,9 in the 8th.

docicu3 06-05-2009 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
I don't get him at all... Only if it comes off.



Dreadful day of weather seems a certainty today. Better today than tomorrow...



Please tell me you meant that you would rather have the rain today then tomorrow and not that tomorrow's forecast is even worse than today in New York.

pointman 06-05-2009 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
8th was just taken off the turf...


Appears to be an increasing chance that Hill Prince 9th is coming off. Am in press box and will update as soon as there is any announcement...

Steve, if you bet the late pk4 now and the race gets taken off turf and a horse you use scratches, do you automatically get a winner in that race or do you get post time favorite?

pointman 06-05-2009 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
Depending on the odds I would lean with one of the expected speed horses, Delosvientos is a tough call at only the 3-1ML, however he has a history of running well after being beaten double digits in his last race.

The slop helps speed, but it seems to me that Delosvientos may be a play against at a short price. The scratch of Lord Kipling helps a bit, but he is going to have to deal with Eldaafer and Fierce Wind and possibly Nite Light and may get dueled into submission much like his last. Think the dynamics help the 1 and 7 most and the 9 to some extent.

Mike 06-05-2009 11:53 AM

Thank you very much for the turf info. I've noticed Twinspires scratches and changes updates are slow.

Suffolk Shippers 06-05-2009 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by docicu3
Dreadful day of weather seems a certainty today. Better today than tomorrow...



Please tell me you meant that you would rather have the rain today then tomorrow and not that tomorrow's forecast is even worse than today in New York.

He meant it's better to have the rain today than tomorrow. NY weather tomorrow is nice and sunny. Does look like we'll have some soft footing on the sod tomorrow for whatever races stay on it.

CSC 06-05-2009 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman
The slop helps speed, but it seems to me that Delosvientos may be a play against at a short price. The scratch of Lord Kipling helps a bit, but he is going to have to deal with Eldaafer and Fierce Wind and possibly Nite Light and may get dueled into submission much like his last. Think the dynamics help the 1 and 7 most and the 9 to some extent.

Good points, what we do know is Delosvientos is going to go for the lead no matter who goes with him, it's the only way he knows how to run, the question is will someone make a decision to go with him, if they do it will certainly be a suicide mission setting it up for someone to come later. Interesting race from a tactical point of view, one thing I have learned the hard way over the yrs never assume what a rider is going to do in a race.

Holland Hacker 06-05-2009 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman
Steve, if you bet the late pk4 now and the race gets taken off turf and a horse you use scratches, do you automatically get a winner in that race or do you get post time favorite?

My understanding is that you get the post time favorite if your horse scratches. Once the pick 4 starts if a race is than taken off the turf than you get an ALL.

I hope this makes sense.

If I'm wrong I'm sure some one will provide the correct answer.

hockey2315 06-05-2009 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
I don't get him at all... Only if it comes off.

Some pretty good turf runners in the pedigree. . . too bad the weather ruined an otherwise interesting last three races.

pointman 06-05-2009 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
Good points, what we do know is Delosvientos is going to go for the lead no matter who goes with him, it's the only way he knows how to run, the question is will someone make a decision to go with him, if they do it will certainly be a suicide mission setting it up for someone to come later. Interesting race from a tactical point of view, one thing I have learned the hard way over the yrs never assume what a rider is going to do in a race.

True, you never know what a jockey will do. If he gets an easy lead he will be tough, I just think that if someone is even within a length of him he will fold before the wire. Good Luck today!!

pointman 06-05-2009 12:38 PM

The 9th is now off the turf as of 1:36 p.m.

hockey2315 06-05-2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman
True, you never know what a jockey will do. If he gets an easy lead he will be tough, I just think that if someone is even within a length of him he will fold before the wire. Good Luck today!!

His last was so incredibly bad that I wouldn't even be worried about him with the easiest of leads. If he wins, so be it, but he's an auto-toss at that price.

declansharbor 06-05-2009 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
His last was so incredibly bad that I wouldn't even be worried about him with the easiest of leads. If he wins, so be it, but he's an auto-toss at that price.

Couldn't agree more. Total pitch.

pointman 06-05-2009 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
His last was so incredibly bad that I wouldn't even be worried about him with the easiest of leads. If he wins, so be it, but he's an auto-toss at that price.

I am tossing since I don't think he will get an easy lead, but you may be right off that last.

tiggerv 06-05-2009 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointman
The 9th is now off the turf as of 1:36 p.m.

Crap, that ends my betting day then. Lime Rickey was going to bankroll my entire day tomorrow.

philcski 06-05-2009 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
His last was so incredibly bad that I wouldn't even be worried about him with the easiest of leads. If he wins, so be it, but he's an auto-toss at that price.

agree- I'm singling Ea.

hockey2315 06-05-2009 01:31 PM

I like Alcomo and Rising Moon a little. . . don't really get the appeal of Ea if he gets bet.

declansharbor 06-05-2009 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I like Alcomo and Rising Moon a little. . . don't really get the appeal of Ea if he gets bet.

Just curious, is this because of the track condition or would they have been your plays even on a fast track? Thanks in advance.

Mike 06-05-2009 01:56 PM

I'm going to start with the 7th, though off the turf, I'll exacta box Officer Flirt and Dziki

hockey2315 06-05-2009 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
Just curious, is this because of the track condition or would they have been your plays even on a fast track? Thanks in advance.

They look like the right ones to me regardless of track condition. No horse in the race has a record on mud or a pedigree that makes me want to move them up on a wet track if we're operating under the premise that Delosvientos is an automatic play against (if he were 6-1+ I think he'd move from a toss to the value, though). Eldaafer is the one I like underneath - also not because of the mud.

Coach Pants 06-05-2009 02:07 PM

Race 5
$2 pick 3
4,9
3,4,6
4,8

Coach Pants 06-05-2009 02:22 PM

Race 6
$2 pick 3
3,4,6
4,8
8,11,12

Mike 06-05-2009 02:27 PM

Conservative box of Delosvientos/Rising Moon in the feature

DJARUM 06-05-2009 02:31 PM

Bel Pk3
3-4
6
7-11-13

CSC 06-05-2009 02:40 PM

I'll jump aboard with Pocket Cowboys here.

Coach Pants 06-05-2009 02:46 PM

:rolleyes:

herkhorse 06-05-2009 03:06 PM

pic 4

4-5-7-8/7-8-13/3-9/2-7-9


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