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Merlinsky 05-10-2009 08:33 PM

Nicanor entered at Delaware
 
All the drama with the TC and then I get this dropped in my inbox.

http://www.drf.com/static/entries/13/eDEL13.html

Turf race for Nicanor. Blinkers on which I'm excited about, I thought he needed them since he seems to like to watch the horse in the lead rather than pass him. Eyes front fella. It's 1 1/16 and Napravnik is up. I hate to ask a stupid question but I didn't see it on the page, if L is lasix, what's the A in LA? I'm sure it's obvious but I'm drawing a blank.

Duvalier 05-10-2009 08:39 PM

The A stands for adjunct medication.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-10-2009 08:41 PM

I like that he's entered on turf.

pointman 05-10-2009 08:46 PM

Thanks for posting so I can try to beat what will certainly be an underlay.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-10-2009 08:49 PM

The horse has run back-to-back 92 Beyers on dirt - and is bred to possibly move-up on turf.

I wouldn't get too caried away trying to beat him in a maiden race at Delaware Park.

pointman 05-10-2009 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The horse has run back-to-back 92 Beyers on dirt - and is bred to possibly move-up on turf.

I wouldn't get too caried away trying to beat him in a maiden race at Delaware Park.

I was half joking, but lets face it, this horse will always be an underlay. He will take money simply because he is Barbaro's brother. In the long run, trying to beat him will certainly be more profitable than playing him. Sure he will beat you here and there, but you can get overlaid prices against him.

eajinabi 05-11-2009 12:34 AM

Could have possibly won the Lexington if he was entered.

South Beach Luv 05-11-2009 07:19 AM

Can you watch race replays off of Delaware Park's website? It's blocked at work and I just got a notice that my namesake on here is running there on Wed but I'll miss it live.

MaTH716 05-11-2009 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Could have possibly won the Kentucky Derby if he was entered.

FTFY

the_fat_man 05-12-2009 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The horse has run back-to-back 92 Beyers on dirt - and is bred to possibly move-up on turf.

I wouldn't get too caried away trying to beat him in a maiden race at Delaware Park.

He'll probably win but there's an interesting, obvious trip horse in that race that should be at least 10:1.

Bobby Fischer 05-13-2009 10:11 AM

there are two trip horses here. It's all moot if Nicanor is allowed the lead into the first turn. This is one of the few track configurations where tactics come into play right away.

Bobby Fischer 05-13-2009 03:01 PM

If jeremy rose can get that NY bred to break this time he can dictate the trips. It should force Nicanor and the 11 wide enough that someone else has a chance to win and the Jones horse gets kicked out of the exacta (and into a betback situation next time.)

FatMan's florida bred is one of the few that could possibly sit a good trip with Cohen and benefit from the 10 and 11 going wide , or even less likely do some herding into the first turn himself.

If they don't force nicanor way wide into the first turn he wins in a hand ride.

the 9 could possibly get 3rd or 4th at 50-1 probably, not playing superfectas here.

MaTH716 05-13-2009 03:33 PM

A Maiden no more.

Heels1989 05-13-2009 03:33 PM

i think he likes the grass

declansharbor 05-13-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
A Maiden no more.

The race was over on the backstretch. Visually impressive, but the time was slooow.

jms62 05-13-2009 03:34 PM

I'm almost teary .. Great performance....

Ronnie 05-13-2009 03:34 PM

The rise of Nicanor!!

philcski 05-13-2009 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Heels1989
i think he likes the grass

^^ understatement! :D Very impressive. think he won by about 20. he ain't his bro but he's damn nice anyways.

MaTH716 05-13-2009 03:40 PM

Wow, did you see the balloons that filled out the rest of the exoctics?
$1 EXA (10/5) $22.40 $1 TRI (10/5/3) $403.10 $1 SPR (10/5/3/1) $3,452.90

Sightseek 05-13-2009 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
^^ understatement! :D Very impressive. think he won by about 20. he ain't his bro but he's damn nice anyways.

Hopefully they'll send him to Colonial! :tro:

King Glorious 05-13-2009 03:44 PM

I don't know. I didn't see anything to give me hope for the future with him. It looked like he was walking home. I kept waiting for someone else to come in the picture but nobody did. It was a nice win against what he faced today but I don't see stakes wins in his future. He got away with 49 and change, 1:14 and change. The race was handed to him.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-13-2009 03:48 PM

Those are probably very solid fractions considering the overall slowness of the turf course.

He was a little too agressive with the blinkers first time but should learn to relax better.

philcski 05-13-2009 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't know. I didn't see anything to give me hope for the future with him. It looked like he was walking home. I kept waiting for someone else to come in the picture but nobody did. It was a nice win against what he faced today but I don't see stakes wins in his future. He got away with 49 and change, 1:14 and change. The race was handed to him.

I think you are reading too much into the time... it's literally the first turf race they've run all meet. Impossible to know what "good" or "bad" times are at this point.

Bobby Fischer 05-13-2009 03:57 PM

exactly.

114 isn't necessarily slow for some of the times they have run last few delaware meets.

have to see a few more turf races there.

remember he seemed to go wide 1st turn with the fairly heavy short run-up bias as well. (hard to get a great view on xpressbet)

can't just say 24 48 112 and assume that fits for today's turf course

The Indomitable DrugS 05-13-2009 03:59 PM

They had been rained off the turf yesterday. Perhaps KG thought that the final time of 1:46 and change was for 9 furlongs - the race was 8.5 furlongs ... thus 49 is a very solid pace in relation to that final time.

Merlinsky 05-13-2009 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
^^ understatement! :D Very impressive. think he won by about 20. he ain't his bro but he's damn nice anyways.

Actually it was 10 but hey, I'm sure they'll take it. http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/nican...g-fashion.aspx The Bloodhorse blog has a video of the race.

King Glorious 05-13-2009 04:02 PM

Admittedly, I don't know much about anything in regards to what's normal for Delaware so I shouldn't have made that comment. I still didn't think he was looking like he had much coming down the lane. Sure, he wasn't asked for anything at all and there was no reason to be giving much but it just looked like a horse that didn't have much left and luckily didn't have anything behind him. Who knows? This might turn out to be the first time I've ever been wrong about a horse.

SniperSB23 05-13-2009 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Actually it was 10 but hey, I'm sure they'll take it. http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/nican...g-fashion.aspx The Bloodhorse blog has a video of the race.

15 1/4

http://www.equibase.com/static/chart...051309USA6.pdf

Merlinsky 05-13-2009 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I really need websites to actually get the official number before they tell me one thing and it turns out to be another. Eh, I thought it was more like 10 lengths of a Clydesdale but I never trust my own eyeball guesses. 15 1/4 sounds even better! :) Definitely more in keeping with what it looked like on the video.

miraja2 05-13-2009 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He was a little too agressive with the blinkers first time but should learn to relax better.

True, but overall the blinkers seemed to help him quite a bit. Lezcano said he was extremely distracted in the gate and at the start of the race last time, and he certainly appeared focused today.
I thought it was a good performance. The speed of the race will obviously be easier to determine after the 8f turf race later on the card, but I doubt his race comes back a whole lot slower than that one. There is no reason to think he couldn't be a decent stakes horse on the lawn, and actually the addition of blinkers could make him a stakes horse on the dirt as well.
All things considered, it looks like he's fairly good.

Bobby Fischer 05-13-2009 04:34 PM

with the way hes bred to love the distance, I am surprised nobody has said the "B" word...
Hey - last year it was won wire-to-wire.


Seriously he is bred to get a mile and a half, and if they keep stretching him out, it would be cool to see him run with the "real" turf horses. You don't see much quality speed in the 11 and 12 furlong classic turf races. He could dictate tactics in some of those races if he keeps improving.
Who knows... he's still probably going to be a very tempting to bet-against in his allowance or stakes debut.

cowgirlintexas 05-13-2009 04:43 PM

Finally :)

Now we shall see what happens from here, what he's really made of.

Seattleallstar 05-13-2009 04:45 PM

against that group of horses he was supposed to win by 15, id like to see what the horse who beat him last time out at Gulstream does in its next start

Seattleallstar 05-13-2009 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
I don't know. I didn't see anything to give me hope for the future with him. It looked like he was walking home. I kept waiting for someone else to come in the picture but nobody did. It was a nice win against what he faced today but I don't see stakes wins in his future. He got away with 49 and change, 1:14 and change. The race was handed to him.


Nicanor isnt a need the lead type and would of ran just as fast if horses were ahead of him, the horses were just so damn awful that no one was even fast enough to lead them in 1:14 on the grass

miraja2 05-13-2009 08:26 PM

For whatever its worth:

Nicanor's 8.5f Race: 24.34, 49.00, 1:14.35, 1:39.86 (1:46.31)
8f, fm, $41,000 N2X: 25.68, 49.96, 1:15.26, 1:40.64

Linny 05-13-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Seattleallstar
against that group of horses he was supposed to win by 15, id like to see what the horse who beat him last time out at Gulstream does in its next start

Glitterman's Cartel was off the board at CD about 10 minutes after Nicanor's win.

philcski 05-13-2009 10:14 PM

Some freaky sh1t...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFxTN1krFuY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhYxeW6aUus

NTamm1215 05-13-2009 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

"Bar-Bear-O"

I laughed.

NT

miraja2 05-13-2009 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

Sure, but can a cartoon version of Nicanor win with Avril Lavigne singing in the background? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjFs8qBSEMQ

Sightseek 05-13-2009 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

wow, Nicanor really did look like he was "walking home" :rolleyes:


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