Zenyatta
 

The Breeders Cup Distaff can be outright conceded to her today.

Steve Asmussen's record on synthetic tracks is so bad it's scary .. and Rachel Alexandra has that good early speed which is a much more of an asset on dirt than on Pro-Ride.

The Distaff is now signed, sealed, and delivered to Zenyatta.

If Rachel is worth 10 million.. I wonder how much Zenyatta could bring..

I don't know.

Zenyatta sure did show Brownie Points who was boss in the Apple Blossom - and I certainly think she would have been beaten by that terrible Miss Isella horse who Borel got to beat a loose on the lead One Caroline with going 8.5f on a wet track.

I certainly like Rachel Alexandra a lot more of the two horses ... but I don't think she'll have a prayer on the Pro-Ride with Asmussen training her ... I'm playing her to finish off the board in that race.

I hope she dominates up to that point.

Apparently she isn't for sale as she shouldn't be

This is some of the most ridiculous stuff ever posted. Not only is the focus of the thread a race a mere 6 months away, but we also get insightful tidbits such as indisputable evidence of Zenyatta's horrible dirt form (she defeated subsequent multiple graded stakes winner Brownie Points by open lengths) and definitive proof that Rachel Alexandra can't handle synthetic surfaces (future trainer Steve Asmussen wins races less frequently on synthetics than regular dirt).

At least the avatar displays a true voice of reason.

Brownie Points is a dog Biscuit

not sure what zenyattas dirt form has to do with the distaff. i'd rather see the two meet on dirt, since both have shown they can handle it. that way, no excuses.
rachel may well handle syns, but i'd rather it be effort and talent vs the same, on neutral ground.

The whole thing was sort of a play on my RA was a cinch to win the KY Oaks thread - 3 months before the race.

Zenyatta's Apple Blossom win was mediocre.

I love how you call Brownie Points a subsquent Graded Stakes winner ... she won a Grade 3 turf stake at Lone Star Park next time out.

In her next dirt race after the Apple Blossom she ran a mediocre 5th with a 79 Beyer. Her 3 prior dirt Beyer before the Apple Blossom were 89, 80, and 86.

She stinks ... and if you trust Zenyatta's absurd 104 Beyer in the Apple Blossom ... I guess you also have to trust Tiag-slow's 110 in a nose victory that day ... a number that no rational person can believe he is capable of runnning.

horse racing fans are rational?

I respectfully disagree.

A big time understatment.

I like how were supposed to assume that Rachel Alexandra will run her race in the Breeders Cup even though the track is the most closer friendly in the country - and even though Asmussen is downright brutal with synthetic horses.

Asmussen still hasn't even won a route race on KEE's syntethic track and it's been around since 2006.

He got his first 31 post time favorites beat on PID's syntethic track. Pyro was a claimer over syntethic tracks and Curlin couldn't even beat Tiag-slow

Yep. Brownie Points sure is no Stone Legacy.

Kudos on calling Rachel Alexandra the KY Oaks winner way back in February. She was only odds on in her two subsequent starts.

Oh, and Tiago is no Giacomo.

Zenyatta was running no better than 3rd in that race ... and I do realize that the winner is a total hopeless bum and the 2nd place finisher is overrated.

It was a call that deserves no kudos ... just as calling Zenyatta the Distaff winner now deserves no kudos... and is only me just throwing something out there in case something goes wrong to give someone something to use against me at a later date.

Although - most people did believe that Stardom Bound was the most likely Oaks winner at the time - and even several weeks later - Justwhistledixie closed as the pool 3 favorite over Rachel Alexandra... but whatever.

Giacomo is the third worst derby winner of all time...Bird Crap Sea Cucumber and Joke O so Slow

Giacomo was a much better 2yo than Tiago... and is pretty much his equal after that.

I wouldn't breed a mare to him for free..Why waste a season he is a pig a flithy slow beast that made lucky people luckier.. I would rather breed to Santana Strings

The dam of both Giacomo and Tiago was an absolute rocketship though.

So - maybe they will both sire speed sprinters - who knows.

Ya think the pig stallions they bred her too were crap

Holy Bull and Pleasant Tap were nice racehorses anyway.

Yeah Holy Bull who I loved has been a complete billy goat at stud and the Pleasant Tap 1 and 3/4 at the hurdle track in Va. is filling like mad

the dam of Giacomo and Tiago also had a daughter of Sea Hero who was like 4th in the Breeders Cup Juvenile fillies the year Storm Flag Flying won it.

I could breed my tibetian terrier to Goulash or Hansili and and I would still get a stakes winner

Rumor is Jess Jackson is sending her to Frankel. So she'll scratch anyways.

So a trainer trains differently for poly? Outright silly....

Only to those who don't have a clue.

That's a little harsh..

It could be A LOT worse... he could have Skip Away's stud record..

You do have an advantage when you do train on poly,, tard

I thought you were getting at the fact that Rachel will be in the Classic...

I hope she wins the preakness, belmont, test, travers, JCGC, the Carter and I hope Assman skips any breeders cup race because its on synthetics... sporting move last year to run curlin, but take THAT breeders cup and your stupid decision to run the championship races all on turf.

I also hope Quality Road, Dunkirk, IWR (if hes back), Fresian Fire.. and all the other top dirt horses skip the race and say shove it.

Lets have the championships settled at JCGC day at belmont...

I'd give another chance to Cocoa Beach to beat Zenyatta

On what surface?

No one thought SB was going to win the Oaks once she ran her first race this year, unless "most" means racing people with a clue using your nomenclature.

She closed at 22/1 to win the Kentucky Derby after her first race back.

The money in those futures is smarter than the money on Derby day?

Much smarter.

Turf, dirt, synthetics, broken glass

So you're saying that handicapping a race to fall apart is luck? No offense to the "intelligent" people that lost that day, but anyone of those horses like Bellamy Road, and High Fly who raced near the lead had NO shot that day. I guess that it was luck that told me with High Limit, Flower Alley, Going Wild and Spanish Chestnut you were going to have a freak pace scenario. I've lost a helluva lot more times in this game than I've won, but I'll never apologize for that pick. It's amazing I've had to defend it for four years.

Call him filthy, call him a pig, call him a slow beast; but you must call him a Derby winner.

Is Music Note still in training, or did she retire?

More questions concerning Zenyatta
 

I had the impression that Zenyatta was scratched out of the race last week following the announcement that the Breeders' Cup was staying at Santa Anita. The trip to race at Churchill looked like a scouting trip, didn't it?

Does it bother anyone else that she hasn't started yet this year?

Braving the certain derision to follow, does anybody think the other older, Grade I-winning filly in the Shirreffs barn might be the filly who pulls the upset in the Distaff come the fall?

Just wondering,

SOTN