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hoovesupsideyourhead 04-28-2009 09:12 PM

bulls/celts..great series
 
'tha truth' was told late in the game.. game 6 will be a great one

docicu3 04-29-2009 03:55 AM

Seven games in this one...

somerfrost 04-29-2009 02:12 PM

Probably the greatest series in NBA history, hate to see either team lose. Rondo and Perkins...even Big Baby have stepped up but age is showing in Beantown!

Cannon Shell 04-29-2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost
Probably the greatest series in NBA history, hate to see either team lose. Rondo and Perkins...even Big Baby have stepped up but age is showing in Beantown!

:zz: :wf

docicu3 04-29-2009 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
:zz: :wf


What ya think Chuck.......would the worst team Russell ever played on beat both of these teams by 20?....

Cannon Shell 04-29-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
What ya think Chuck.......would the worst team Russell ever played on beat both of these teams by 20?....

The greatest series in NBA history? Maybe you could say it is one of the most enjoyable or entertaining or closely matched series but the greatest series in NBA history? Wow.

docicu3 04-29-2009 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The greatest series in NBA history? Maybe you could say it is one of the most enjoyable or entertaining or closely matched series but the greatest series in NBA history? Wow.

Maybe he's young..

ateamstupid 04-30-2009 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The greatest series in NBA history? Maybe you could say it is one of the most enjoyable or entertaining or closely matched series but the greatest series in NBA history? Wow.

OK, Grinch. Greatest first-round series in NBA history?

King Glorious 04-30-2009 12:01 PM

Off the top of my head, the 1981 series between Houston and LA. LA was the defending champ and Houston took them out 2-1, winning game three by three. Or maybe the 1989 series between Chicago and Cleveland. Chicago won game five by one to win the series 3-2.

Outside of the first round, I remember some really, really good series that are at least in the convo (lol) with this Boston/Chicago series:

1981 East Finals (greatest ever for me)
Boston and Philly both won 62 games to tie for the best record. Philly won game one 105-104 in Boston. Boston came back to win 118-99 to tie the series. They went to Philly and the Sixers won 110-100 and 107-105 to take a 3-1 lead. Boston went home and won game five 111-109, went to Philly and won game six 100-98, and won game seven at home 91-90. Five of the seven games decided by two points or less.

1987 East Finals where Boston beat Detroit in game seven by three.

1988 East Semis where Atlanta was up 3-2 and then Boston won game six in Atlanta 102-100 and then won game seven at home 118-116 in the game where Bird outscored Dominique 20-16 in the fourth quarter.

2002 West Finals
Lakers were down 2-1 and tied the series on Horry's miracle three pointer. Sacramento won the next game by one to go up 3-2 then the Lakers won game six by four and game seven by six in overtime. With that series and how the Lakers had to come from 15 down in the fourth in game seven against Portland in 2000, people forget just how close the Lakers were to never three-peating.

2006 West Semis where Dallas finally got past SA in seven when it really counted.

1995 East Semis between NY and Indiana. Indiana won the series 4-3 and three of their wins were by two points, including game seven. NY won one of their games by only one.

1988 Finals
Detroit took a 3-2 lead on the Lakers before LA came back to win game six 103-102 (damn Rodman shooting that layup on the fast break and missing) and then the Lakers won game seven 108-105.

alysheba4 04-30-2009 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Maybe he's young..

.....no he is old and wise......sorry somer;)

GBBob 04-30-2009 02:47 PM

It may not go down as one the greatest series ever in terms of historical significance, but being the only to EVER have three overtimes ( and only through 5 games no less) deserves some recognition.

alysheba4 04-30-2009 03:53 PM

i think it was the 71-72 lakers vrs. bucks.....an aging wilt and west going against lew alcindor and the great oscar "big o " listening to the great chick hearn who was in his prime back then......

geeker2 04-30-2009 06:31 PM

The Truth is :$: :$:

SCUDSBROTHER 04-30-2009 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
It may not go down as one the greatest series ever in terms of historical significance, but being the only to EVER have three overtimes ( and only through 5 games no less) deserves some recognition.


If you beat the Celts, then o.k.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-30-2009 07:15 PM

Bob, you can't match their thuggery. They seem to be letting RONDO do any cheap shot thing he wants to do. Knock him down, and demand it to be the same weak flagrant 1 foul that they let Rondo have(for throwing a guy off of the court.)

GBBob 04-30-2009 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Bob, you can't match their thuggery. They seem to be letting RONDO do any cheap shot thing he wants to do. Knock him down, and demand it to be the same weak flagrant 1 foul that they let Rondo have(for throwing a guy off of the court.)

http://weblogs.cltv.com/news/local/c...n_garnett.html

Someday I'll learn how to just get a pic posted without having to put up the link

ateamstupid 04-30-2009 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
http://weblogs.cltv.com/news/local/c...n_garnett.html

Someday I'll learn how to just get a pic posted without having to put up the link

Oh noes! He yelled at a guy who's been grabbing his junk and making 'bullseye' hand gestures after every jumper this series! What a jerk!

GBBob 04-30-2009 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Oh noes! He yelled at a guy who's been grabbing his junk and making 'bullseye' hand gestures after every jumper this series! What a jerk!

Did I say that?

pgardn 04-30-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
What ya think Chuck.......would the worst team Russell ever played on beat both of these teams by 20?....

I will answer.
HELL NO.

The Celts got those championships when a grand total of
8 teams existed. And the sport was NOT close to fully integrated.
Participation was horribly low compared to today.
Russell would play today, as would Oscar.
But some of the other guys...

Jerry Flippn West barely ever used his left hand on the dribble.
Go back and watch that old stuff. Some of it was quite
pitiful. Jerry could shoot the heck out of the ball though.

ateamstupid 04-30-2009 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Did I say that?

No, but a bunch of whiny Bulls fans have been bitching non-stop over their poor dickgrabbing Mount Vernon boy getting an earful after their Game 5 gag. Why'd you post it if you weren't trying to make any point?

pgardn 04-30-2009 07:48 PM

Personally I have enjoyed the Portland/Houston series more.
Primarily because the teams are better.

GBBob 04-30-2009 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
No, but a bunch of whiny Bulls fans have been bitching non-stop over their poor dickgrabbing Mount Vernon boy getting an earful after their Game 5 gag. Why'd you post it if you weren't trying to make any point?

I would have posted it no matter who was in the picture..a grown man in a $5,000 suit screaming at a guy on a court looks ridiculous. Gordon grabbing his crotch was bush just like Rondo carving up Miller was a flagrant, I thought..but that's on the floor...Garnett's not playing...he should shut up. Let Tony Allen, or whatever his name is come across the court to get in Gordon's face like he did.

ateamstupid 04-30-2009 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
I would have posted it no matter who was in the picture..a grown man in a $5,000 suit screaming at a guy on a court looks ridiculous. Gordon grabbing his crotch was bush just like Rondo carving up Miller was a flagrant, I thought..but that's on the floor...Garnett's not playing...he should shut up. Let Tony Allen, or whatever his name is come across the court to get in Gordon's face like he did.

Fair enough. I've just had to hear never-ending bitching from Bulls fans the past two days about that. If it were Derrick Rose or somebody mild-mannered he was yelling at, I'd be with you, I just feel like Gordon's been egging the Celtics on all series. But whatever, that's all peripheral and there's another great game going on.

docicu3 04-30-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
I will answer.
HELL NO.

The Celts got those championships when a grand total of
8 teams existed. And the sport was NOT close to fully integrated.
Participation was horribly low compared to today.
Russell would play today, as would Oscar.
But some of the other guys...

Jerry Flippn West barely ever used his left hand on the dribble.
Go back and watch that old stuff. Some of it was quite
pitiful. Jerry could shoot the heck out of the ball though.

Oh PLEASE......

Yes watch those old games where the ball never hits the ground from end to end leading to a layup. When defense actually meant running end to end rather than the walk and isolated two on two BS the NBA has become.

NEWS FLASH........

Less teams in a sport means deeper teams and better talent per man. Integration????........Please pick another subject to make your argument.

Russell, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robinson, Wilt and many more were damn good two way players in most cases who were every bit the players these kids are today. The NBA has seen much better times than now....we can debate whether the SHowtime Lakers or Bird's Celtics or Issah's Piston's were better than both of these teams but this product on the floor now is well below the games of the 60's and early 70's of the NBA that saw Cousy, Sam and KC. Team play of this NBA in 2009 has never been close to those teams. Seeing it live is not the same as watching the talkies.......those old men could play.

pgardn 04-30-2009 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Oh PLEASE......

Yes watch those old games where the ball never hits the ground from end to end leading to a layup. When defense actually meant running end to end rather than the walk and isolated two on two BS the NBA has become.

NEWS FLASH........

Less teams in a sport means deeper teams and better talent per man. Integration????........Please pick another subject to make your argument.

Russell, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robinson, Wilt and many more were damn good two way players in most cases who were every bit the players these kids are today. The NBA has seen much better times than now....we can debate whether the SHowtime Lakers or Bird's Celtics or Issah's Piston's were better than both of these teams but this product on the floor now is well below the games of the 60's and early 70's of the NBA that saw Cousy, Sam and KC. Team play of this NBA in 2009 has never been close to those teams. Seeing it live is not the same as watching the talkies.......those old men could play.

Bill Sharman
Bob Cousy
Tom Heinsohn
Jim Loscutoff
Bill Russell
Jack Nichols
Frank Ramsey
Dick Hemric
Arnie Risen
Andy Phillip
Lou Tsioropoulos
Togo Palazzi

Are you frggn kiddn.
How many of these guys you want besides Cousy and Russell?
This is an old man joke.
BTW, how many blacks on this Championship team?

GBBob 04-30-2009 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Fair enough. I've just had to hear never-ending bitching from Bulls fans the past two days about that. If it were Derrick Rose or somebody mild-mannered he was yelling at, I'd be with you, I just feel like Gordon's been egging the Celtics on all series. But whatever, that's all peripheral and there's another great game going on.

Gordon does have that Wally Haskell thing going...and he said over and over that it wasn't about the :$: , then turned down many contracts and signed the tender.

When the Bulls get up 10 in the 4th, the Celtics will have them right where they want them. I don't think it goes back to Boston.

ateamstupid 04-30-2009 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Gordon does have that Wally Haskell thing going...and he said over and over that it wasn't about the :$: , then turned down many contracts and signed the tender.

When the Bulls get up 10 in the 4th, the Celtics will have them right where they want them. I don't think it goes back to Boston.

Wally Haskell? Nice reverse jinx by the way. ;)

pgardn 04-30-2009 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Oh PLEASE......

Yes watch those old games where the ball never hits the ground from end to end leading to a layup. When defense actually meant running end to end rather than the walk and isolated two on two BS the NBA has become.

NEWS FLASH........

Less teams in a sport means deeper teams and better talent per man. Integration????........Please pick another subject to make your argument.

Russell, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robinson, Wilt and many more were damn good two way players in most cases who were every bit the players these kids are today. The NBA has seen much better times than now....we can debate whether the SHowtime Lakers or Bird's Celtics or Issah's Piston's were better than both of these teams but this product on the floor now is well below the games of the 60's and early 70's of the NBA that saw Cousy, Sam and KC. Team play of this NBA in 2009 has never been close to those teams. Seeing it live is not the same as watching the talkies.......those old men could play.

The rules are also completely diff.
Teams must shoot the ball within 23 seconds.
What is the most efficient way to do that?
Russell could just stand in the lane all he wanted on D.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare the Defense or offense
when the rules are entirely different.

Seriously. The skill level is not even close to the same.
Now if you go Bird/Magic era, heck yes, but not the late
50's early 60's... there is just no way, its not close to the
same game, Athletically or skill level.

GBBob 04-30-2009 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Wally Haskell? Nice reverse jinx by the way. ;)

oops..Eddie..lol

and I'm right so far

pgardn 04-30-2009 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Personally I have enjoyed the Portland/Houston series more.
Primarily because the teams are better.

I humbly ask permission to change my mind...

These games have been incredibly competitive
no matter the level.

ateamstupid 04-30-2009 08:55 PM

Doc could screw up a free blowjob from a Victoria's Secret model on his birthday.

Big Baby is part of a lineup that turns a 12-point deficit into an 8-point lead in about six minutes, so what does he do? TAKE HIM OUT AND PUT IN TONY ALLEN, who doesn't know his ass from his elbow on offense. Unfathomable incompetence. It's like he got a call from the league saying 'we need this thing to go 7'.

If they lose this game, and eventually the series, Doc should be freaking thrown off a roof (a low one).

pgardn 04-30-2009 09:16 PM

Salmons is driving at will to the hole.
Garnett gone has allowed the Bulls
way too many easy shots provided they
get penetration.
It really is going both ways. If you
get to the basket, no problem fearing
a block.

XIIPointStables 04-30-2009 09:27 PM

How did the C's not close out this thing at the end of regulation...awful.

docicu3 04-30-2009 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
Bill Sharman
Bob Cousy
Tom Heinsohn
Jim Loscutoff
Bill Russell
Jack Nichols
Frank Ramsey
Dick Hemric
Arnie Risen
Andy Phillip
Lou Tsioropoulos
Togo Palazzi

Are you frggn kiddn.
How many of these guys you want besides Cousy and Russell?
This is an old man joke.
BTW, how many blacks on this Championship team?

You really never heard of KC or Sam Jones, Satch Sanders to name a few. All legit Hall of Fame players. All black by the way.....where is Chuck when I need him

GBBob 04-30-2009 09:41 PM

Ray Allen:zz:

Scav 04-30-2009 09:41 PM

This is so ridiculous right now. I gotta be up at 1am. LETS GO BULLS!!! End this ish..

docicu3 04-30-2009 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
The rules are also completely diff.
Teams must shoot the ball within 23 seconds.
What is the most efficient way to do that?
Russell could just stand in the lane all he wanted on D.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare the Defense or offense
when the rules are entirely different.

Seriously. The skill level is not even close to the same.
Now if you go Bird/Magic era, heck yes, but not the late
50's early 60's... there is just no way, its not close to the
same game, Athletically or skill level.

A few truths before the 3rd OT......

The shot clock came into the league for the 1954-55 season...

Russell and KC Jones were winning NCAA national championships in 54 and 55

Russell had a shot clock his whole career in 1956 on.......the Celts were actually the leaders of the black player roster breakthrough....the city was and still is the most racist northern city in america which is what I remeber growing up there then

pgardn 04-30-2009 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
You really never heard of KC or Sam Jones, Satch Sanders to name a few. All legit Hall of Fame players. All black by the way.....where is Chuck when I need him

Of course I have.
Just look at the teams content.
There is no way anyone can say the best athletes
were out there. There may have been one of
those old championship Celtic teams, maybe with 5 black guys and
9 white guys. That was about it.

The team I posted... Bill Russell, thats it.
The only black.

And if Cannon agrees that the skill level and
athleticism is the same... He wont. Some were still
shooting two handed set shots with hands on opposite poles
of the ball. It was legitmately awful stuff compared to today.

Really it is terribly difficult to compare though,
because the rules are so different.

Great game tonight though.
Maybe I should say crazy game.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-30-2009 09:55 PM

LOL..Noah actually made a play.


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