Hall of Fame selections
 

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=4083623

Baffert, Tiznow, Silverbulletday, Maple lead the list.

Man, it seems like Solis will never get in. At this point it seems Rudy Rodriguez will get in before Solis.

Congrats to all, but most happy for Maple. Long overdue in my opinion.

Solis is a nice person, but he really doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. Now if you had a Hall of Shame we could put him in for his post selection and ride on Brother Derik in the Derby.

I think if he won just one Kentucky Derby he would have been in by now. He has won a few BC races, bunch of other Grade I's. I think if Eddie D, McCarron, Kent D (He is in already right ?),Pincay,and Stevens are in, he probably should be in as well.

The only ones from that crew who aren't in are Solis and Pat V. Pval, while deserving on accomlishments, will never get in because he is such a fu#k up off of the track. Now I am not saying Solis is as accomplished as that above group......but he has ridden very comeptitively in what was probably the toughest jock colony to compete against at that time.

It doesnt really make sense to me that Mike Smith is in, and Solis isn't.

Sky Beauty gets brushed aside again... :rolleyes:

Silverbulletday was better.

I think we had this conversation already...

I'm not sure I've ever seen a filly better than Silverbulletday from as a 2-year-old through the summer of her 3-year-old season.

Excellent Meeting was beaten just 2 lengths in the Kentucky Derby.

Its not even close in career accomplishments between Solis and Smith when it comes to winning big races, and Mike is younger. I would imagine Mike has won 50 more grade 1 races then Solis, and done it all over the country as well.

I knew I could draw you into this conversation.

Excellent Meeting gave her a good beating once as a 2yr old..

1998 Del Mar Debutante: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99V8epsucOI

But Smith loses all credibility for being on Jockeys and showing the world his relationship with Sutherland. The HOF should kick him out based on that horrible show.

They were kept seperate at age 3. Silverbulletday won 2 out of 3 meetings at age 2.

Silverbulletday won 14 of 16 races through the summer of her 3yo season - including 13 Graded Stakes wins at 8 different racetracks.

She won graded stakes ranging from 5.5 furlongs to a 10 furlong win in the Alabama with a 115 Beyer.

The other of her two early defeats came in the Belmont Stakes .. where she was on the lead for the first 1 1/4 miles in what was a fast paced race. She basically tried badly in the final quarter but ran a very strong race for 10fs.

That was like her only bad race... but she got hooked up head-to-head in a speed duel with a longshot outside of her through wicked fractions.

Not many fillies who have 21 and change speed and can win races at 5.5fs by double digit lengths can see out 10 furlongs as effective as she could.

But Serena's Song doesn't have plates that NYRA still tries to give out/sell for the jockey fund

:rolleyes:

thats not a bad gig, 6 moths of the year he is with her and the other 6 months he can freelance.

Good call... Serena's Song beat some horses that would have manhandled Silverbulletday...

I am not saying it's a bad gig. Going on tv and playing kissy kissy with her twice a week is beyond nauseating though. I mean how many times can we watch Smith and her drinking wine and talking about their relationship.

Tale of the Tape:


Record through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday 14-for-16
Serena's Song 12-for-21


Graded Stakes wins through summer of 3yo season:

Silverbulletday: 13
Serena's Song: 11

Top Beyer:

Silverbulletday: 115
Serena's Song: 114

not enough obviously as the just signed for a second season, you may need more Pepto!

Didn't Serena's Song have a more ambitious campaign as a three year old?

How about a list of who they beat?

Through the summer of her 3yo season?

Like who?

Why just through the summer? I'm looking at the entire 3yr old campaign.. not half a year..

Heaveny Prize comes to mind.. Serena's Song also beat males twice as a 3yr old..

For anyone that would like to see Serena's Song's career race charts...

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=7...4e75f6e8ebb871

Tejano Run was not exactly a top horse when Serena's Song beat him. He was beaten double digit lengths in the Risen Star stakes by the mighty Beavers Nose in his prior start. And in his subsquent start - he was 3rd to Wild Syn in the Bluegrass ... albeit ahead of Thunder Gulch.

The race she beat Heavenly Prize didn't get a huge figure.

Excellent Meeting was an outstanding 2yo and the stronger part of the favored entry in the Kentucky Derby. Three Ring was also pretty decent - she was 3rd to them in the BC Juvie Fillies.

I'd give Serena's Song an edge in competition beat .. and I'd rate her overall a little better than Silverbulletday ... but Silverbulletday was WITHOUT question a better 2yo - and was atleast as good through the summer of her 3yo season.

Speaking of Serena's Song, Pletcher is using her unraced 3YO as a workmate for Take the Points.

Excellent Meeting's last 5 Beyers coming into the Derby were 100-101-108-96-106 ... four straight Graded stakes wins and a half length loss to Silverbulletday.

General Challenge were 93-91-95-95-108 .. he won the Santa Anita Derby in his most recent race - but was beaten by Kimberlite Pipe when 5th in the Louisianna Derby two back.

EM was the stronger part of the entry in my opinion - and she certainly ran the much better race of the two. That's all I said though ... I never said she was a better horse overall.

Excellent Meeting was eased early on in the Preakness at 6/1 next out. Never quite the same after that race.

You're being dismissive of Serena's Song beating Heavenly Prize.. then turn around and praise Silverbulletday for facing Three Ring and Excellent Meeting :confused:

The post in the conversation part of the article is hilarious

Heavenly Prize and Lakeway are a great tandem ... my only point was that she beat them when they weren't at their absolute best.

Heavenly Prize and Lakeway at their best are certainly better than EM and TR at their best