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Kasept 04-15-2009 02:27 PM

4/18 (CT): Charles Town Classic Stakes Card
 
7th (8:30) Webb Snyder S.

4 1/2 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Place Your Bet Acosta J D 121 LA
2 Run Brother Ron Figueroa O 119 L
3 Sir Silver Fox Parker D L 119 LA
4 Trust Or Bust Almodovar G 119 LA
5 Kamboo Man Daniel C 119 L
6 Heezafrequentflyer Cora D 119 LA
7 Tater Tutt Stisted J 119 LA
8 Cooper County Ramirez E 119 LA
9 Hesogoodwithmoney Franklin M 119 LA
10 Love's Strong Hart Carmouche K 121 L
AE Mr. Goodkat Carmouche K 119 LA

A-Coupled: Place Your Bet and Tater Tutt



8th (9:00) Blue and Gold S.

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000

1 Top Seed Prado E S 114 LA
2 Naos Luzzi M J 117 Blk-On LA
3 Gallatin Forest Cohen D 114 L
4 Classic Wildcat Garcia Luis 114 Blk-On LA
5 Russell Road Camacho E 119 LA
6 Ju Jitsu Jax Acosta J D 117 LA
7 Colonel Rutledge Velazquez J R 114 LA
8 Bunker Hill Carmouche K 114 LA
9 St John's Gospel Ramos H G 122 LA



9th (9:30) Sugar Maple S.

7 Furlongs | Fillies and Mares | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $250,000

1 Hello Poochi Pooh Rodriguez E D 122 LA
2 Two Columbus Acosta J D 119 LA
3 Charlotte's Di Cohen D 122 LA
4 Cowgirls Don't Cry Carmouche K 119 LA
5 Super Slash Prado E S 122 LA
6 Smile Samantha Foley T 119 LA
7 Mikeslittlegirl Joyce J 116 LA
8 Weathered Luzzi M J 122 L
9 Choragus Leparoux J R 122 L
10 Spritely Velazquez J R 122 LA



10th (10:00) Charles Town Classic S.

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Dry Martini Prado E S 114 LA
2 Zappa Quinonez A 114 LA
3 Researcher Carmouche K 116 LA
4 No Advantage Whitacre B 114 LA
5 Ah Day Acosta J D 120 LA
6 Commentator Velazquez J R 123 LA
7 Ea Castellano J J 116 LA
8 Magnum (ARG) Flores D R 120 L
9 Delaware River Nicol P A Jr 114 LA
10 Mast Track Leparoux J R 114 LA

Linny 04-15-2009 02:43 PM

The Classic has to be the best race ever carded at C'Town.

slotdirt 04-15-2009 02:53 PM

I don't think there's any doubt of that. I would gather guys like JV, Leparoux, Cohen, Flores, etc., will be riding real races elsewhere earlier in the day, then coming on down to Charles Town for a night cap. Too bad Travis Dunkelberger is out with a busted back.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-15-2009 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
The Classic has to be the best race ever carded at C'Town.

Water is also wet.

cakes44 04-15-2009 02:59 PM

Luzzi should just stay down there, at least through Saratoga anyway. Those 4 1/2 furlong races would be right in his wheelhouse.

slotdirt 04-15-2009 03:00 PM

Shows you what some slot revenue can do. (Hint, hint, Maryland) Honestly? Charles Town is jumping on the average Saturday night because they have, I kid you not, one of the best prime rib buffets you will ever taste. Throw in some serious horse flesh, and you've got yourselves the makings of the best ever CT Saturday night that I can remember.

Sadly, after all those visits to see A Huevo, Outcashem, and Longfield Spud make their way 'round the 6f bull ring, I can't go this weekend. I stink.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-15-2009 03:05 PM

Xtra Heat won a 7 furlong stake at Charles Town .. it was her only career win around two turns.

ninetoone 04-15-2009 03:48 PM

She was the best. I loved that horse.

ninetoone 04-15-2009 03:49 PM

Oh yeah...F you Squirtle Squirt.

-BT- 04-15-2009 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I don't think there's any doubt of that. I would gather guys like JV, Leparoux, Cohen, Flores, etc., will be riding real races elsewhere earlier in the day, then coming on down to Charles Town for a night cap. Too bad Travis Dunkelberger is out with a busted back.

cohen, yeah im sure he has an action packed day ahead of him at philly park

i was wondering where dunk was

-bt-

slotdirt 04-15-2009 04:05 PM

I only found that out because someone asked Illman in his blog where Fogelsonger was these days, and he produced an article on Dunkelberger. That's fair enough though, who wouldn't confuse those two names?

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-15-2009 04:42 PM

What's thier surface.....syn or the real stuff?

slotdirt 04-15-2009 05:01 PM

It's dirt in some form or fashion, though it looks a lot more like clay up close.

dalakhani 04-15-2009 09:06 PM

Didnt Ah Day just run in the carter? If so, that is awfully quick to run him again.

This surface is hard and those turns are tough and on top of that, 9f is three turns. A lot to ask of an older sprinter on two weeks rest.

I hope he comes back okay and grabs a share. He has been a nice horse for his connections.

ARyan 04-15-2009 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Didnt Ah Day just run in the carter? If so, that is awfully quick to run him again.

This surface is hard and those turns are tough and on top of that, 9f is three turns. A lot to ask of an older sprinter on two weeks rest.

I hope he comes back okay and grabs a share. He has been a nice horse for his connections.

Ah Day at 9 furlongs?

cowgirlintexas 04-16-2009 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninetoone
Oh yeah...F you Squirtle Squirt.

Hated when that horse was taken away from Joe Garcia....:(

slotdirt 04-16-2009 08:14 AM

He did win the Federico Tesio back in his 3YO season, I believe. That's 8.5f, isn't it?

2Hot4TV 04-16-2009 08:38 AM

Magnum trains on a 1/2 mile dirt track and David Flores has won a few riding titles at Fairplex, Interesting race.

slotdirt 04-16-2009 08:48 AM

The only thing I'd say about Ah Day is that the horse has won around two turns before, and with his running style and the Charles Town turns, this race might be right up his alley. I can't say I'm fond of seeing him come back in this spot after his recent injury issues and only two weeks rest, but King Leatherbury's been around forever and probably knows exactly what he's doing.

philcski 04-16-2009 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
The only thing I'd say about Ah Day is that the horse has won around two turns before, and with his running style and the Charles Town turns, this race might be right up his alley. I can't say I'm fond of seeing him come back in this spot after his recent injury issues and only two weeks rest, but King Leatherbury's been around forever and probably knows exactly what he's doing.

I'm concerned about Commentator on that track, to be honest. Love that guy and concrete Charles Town scares me with his known fragility. I trust that Zito wouldn't send him if he felt the same way, however.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-18-2009 09:54 PM

Big day for the local horses.

Nice to see Commentator just did edge out that Steph Beattie trained horse who had trouble in like 3 different spots...for 4th place.

philcski 04-18-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Big day for the local horses.

Nice to see Commentator just did edge out that Steph Beattie trained horse who had trouble in like 3 different spots...for 4th place.

Local form means a ton in day to day racing there- nothing different with the big boys I guess. Commentator looked good for a half and then when the 3rd turn came up he had a "what am I doing" look. That Researcher is just a freak on that track.

ddthetide 04-19-2009 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Local form means a ton in day to day racing there- nothing different with the big boys I guess. Commentator looked good for a half and then when the 3rd turn came up he had a "what am I doing" look. That Researcher is just a freak on that track.

you should have heard the cheers go up when Researcher took the lead and then when he got back to the winners circle....... very nice crowd tonight at CT.:tro:

Heels1989 04-19-2009 12:17 AM

Very fun evening at CT tonite as I was able to hook up with M & M Tide, and BT and his buds. The big races did not disapoint.

And big thanks to Mr Byk for his call on Ea. Helped closed the evening with a healthy exactor.

the_fat_man 04-19-2009 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Big day for the local horses.

Nice to see Commentator just did edge out that Steph Beattie trained horse who had trouble in like 3 different spots...for 4th place.

Guess he wasn't FAST ENOUGH. :rolleyes:

letswastemoney 04-19-2009 01:32 AM

Has Commentator possibly lost a step? I mean he's 8 years old now....

dalakhani 04-19-2009 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Has Commentator possibly lost a step? I mean he's 8 years old now....

He looked plenty fast to me. He got the lead and it wasnt like that race was devoid of speed.

9f is THREE TURNS at charlestown. Could it simply be that he didnt like the configuration of the track?

CSC 04-19-2009 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
He looked plenty fast to me. He got the lead and it wasnt like that race was devoid of speed.

9f is THREE TURNS at charlestown. Could it simply be that he didnt like the configuration of the track?

He didn't have much fight in him when he got past, you'd think he would hold on for a piece of the tri atleast.

Travis Stone 04-19-2009 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
He didn't have much fight in him when he got past, you'd think he would hold on for a piece of the tri atleast.

No legitimate prep, hard to go nine panels w/out a prep against stakes company, even though its a three-turn race.

CSC 04-19-2009 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
No legitimate prep, hard to go nine panels w/out a prep against stakes company, even though its a three-turn race.

Maybe it was the 3 turns, the track, running at night, I don't know...he didn't look right. It happens to all good horses sooner or later, they lose the appetite to run competitively. The layoff didn't bother me, he's always been a horse that fires off the bench and the less racing he does the better he seems to do. It will be interesting to see where Zito goes from here with him.

dalakhani 04-19-2009 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
He didn't have much fight in him when he got past, you'd think he would hold on for a piece of the tri atleast.

No fight? He put away mast track and then Magnum (both stake horses). What does that say for them? Besides the winner, the horses that beat him closed late and were never threats to win. The winner is a total monster at that track as evidenced by the fact that he broke his own track record for the distance last night.

There was nothing wrong Commentator last night...just seemed like it was one turn too many. He looked fine in the paddock before the race thats for sure.

CSC 04-19-2009 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
No fight? He put away mast track and then Magnum (both stake horses). What does that say for them? Besides the winner, the horses that beat him closed late and were never threats to win. The winner is a total monster at that track as evidenced by the fact that he broke his own track record for the distance last night.

There was nothing wrong Commentator last night...just seemed like it was one turn too many. He looked fine in the paddock before the race thats for sure.

At 6/5 most people would have expected more from him than what he showed last night. It wasn't like they were going outlandishly fast on the front end. He's a better horse than that. Look he's been a great horse and who wouldn't like what he's done in his career, but it was a simple observation and wasn't mean't in a derogetary way. Let's critique performances without getting defensive, that's what we are here for, to learn and discuss.

Sightseek 04-19-2009 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
No fight? He put away mast track and then Magnum (both stake horses). What does that say for them? Besides the winner, the horses that beat him closed late and were never threats to win. The winner is a total monster at that track as evidenced by the fact that he broke his own track record for the distance last night.

There was nothing wrong Commentator last night...just seemed like it was one turn too many. He looked fine in the paddock before the race thats for sure.

Not that it really matters, but I thought they said Researcher was just a bit off his track record.

I agree on Commentator.

Danzig 04-19-2009 10:52 AM

first off a layoff, and three turns? i think a loss can be forgiven here. too soon to say he's lost a step, he's only eight.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-19-2009 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Guess he wasn't FAST ENOUGH. :rolleyes:

The horse who's last race was BY FAR the fastest on everyone's figures won.

The Steph Beattie 50/1+ longshot who ran a troubled 5th actually had the 2nd fastest last out Beyer.

But I know .. adjusted final time speed figures are for idiots .. and I'm one because they are about 11th or 12th in my list of handicapping factors that determine who I'm likely to bet in a race.

the_fat_man 04-19-2009 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
At 6/5 most people would have expected more from him than what he showed last night. It wasn't like they were going outlandishly fast on the front end. He's a better horse than that. Look he's been a great horse and who wouldn't like what he's done in his career, but it was a simple observation and wasn't mean't in a derogetary way. Let's critique performances without getting defensive, that's what we are here for, to learn and discuss.

I don't understand the love affair with this horse. It's that bogus SPEED number thing. When he gets a speed favoring track and no pace pressure he wins. And he even runs fast doing. So what? Pressure him a bit or put him on a fair track against horses and he folds like a punk. Like last night, losing to horse I'd had a tough time remembering (assuming I'd heard from them, that is).

We'll get NYRA to massage a track for him real soon. He'll be back.

the_fat_man 04-19-2009 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The horse who's last race was BY FAR the fastest on everyone's figures won.

The Steph Beattie 50/1+ longshot who ran a troubled 5th actually had the 2nd fastest last out Beyer.

But I know .. adjusted final time speed figures are for idiots .. and I'm one because they are about 11th or 12th in my list of handicapping factors that determine who I'm likely to bet in a race.

I'm thrilled to hear it. Should I make HIGHEST LAST OUT BEYER my key play from now on? Bet that'll produce a positive ROI.

After all the **** I've read here about this horse, how fast he is, and, remarkably, even how game he is, it's a pleasure seeing him get dusted. Same **** with Indian Blessing.

Nothing more, nothing less.

As for the bolded statement:

I've been reading your posts for quite a while now; here and at PA. I'd venture that the majority of them have "Beyer' in them. Most of your points involve these numbers. My point is that there's plenty of money to be made without them; especially on artificial surfaces. While you have much to say about these surfaces, you apparently don't play them much. I find that interesting.

CSC 04-19-2009 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I don't understand the love affair with this horse. It's that bogus SPEED number thing. When he gets a speed favoring track and no pace pressure he wins. And he even runs fast doing. So what? Pressure him a bit or put him on a fair track against horses and he folds like a punk. Like last night, losing to horse I'd had a tough time remembering (assuming I'd heard from them, that is).

We'll get NYRA to massage a track for him real soon. He'll be back.

Once Researcher got past him, he was obviously discouraged(the politically correct statement), as for last race beyers or last 2 races beyers. If only it were that easy.

ddthetide 04-19-2009 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
Not that it really matters, but I thought they said Researcher was just a bit off his track record.

I agree on Commentator.

first they announced he'd broken it , then corrected it, Researcher only missed by 3/100's.

i thought Commentator looked goodn until about the 1/8 pole when he was passed. then it was like he just stopped.


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