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dellinger63 04-11-2009 08:26 AM

Islam in a nutshell
 
Apparantly beating a child to death over a 4 day period is AOK. But take off a headscarf to take a mugshot of the murderer and it's an insult to Islam? What about the f'n murder? Good grief!!! OK now let's hear the defenders?

http://www.southtownstar.com/news/15...ugshot.article

Honu 04-11-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dellinger63
Apparantly beating a child to death over a 4 day period is AOK. But take off a headscarf to take a mugshot of the murderer and it's an insult to Islam? What about the f'n murder? Good grief!!! OK now let's hear the defenders?

http://www.southtownstar.com/news/15...ugshot.article


At the end of the article they asked if a nun would be treated this way and the answer is yes the nun would be asked to remove her habit , stupid azz's.

Cannon Shell 04-11-2009 06:37 PM

Perhaps they should stick to murdering kids in an Islamic country.

Danzig 04-11-2009 08:18 PM

for one, if the woman didn't want to be in a mug shot, i guess she shouldn't have beaten her niece to death....

but i think there's more to the story.

"Police have said her husband's possible involvement in Bhia's death still is under investigation."


the wife confessed? i'm wondering if darling dear hubby is the one to kill the girl, and then forced the wife to confess...we know females are generally viewed as being less than human. i wouldn't be surprised if that's how it turns out.

either way, what a horrible death for that poor little girl.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-11-2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Perhaps they should stick to murdering kids in an Islamic country.

That's not the way they think. They need a target at all times. Not wearing the scarf is against the religion? I would think it would be pretty minor compared to beating a 2 year old to death. How can you even care about this
when a dead 2 year old should be your concern? I told you they are more concerned with what a non-Muslim does to a Muslim than they are about any crime a Muslim commits against a fellow Muslim. This is just one more example of that B.S.

Danzig 04-11-2009 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
That's not the way they think. They need a target at all times. Not wearing the scarf is against the religion? I would think it would be pretty minor compared to beating a 2 year old to death. How can you even care about this
when a dead 2 year old should be your concern? I told you they are more concerned with what a non-Muslim does to a Muslim than they are about any crime a Muslim commits against a fellow Muslim. This is just one more example of the same.

because the husband couldn't care less about the little girl. now, had it been a boy....

Honu 04-11-2009 11:29 PM

And then we have here in Tracy California a little girl stolen and found dead in a suitcase in a pond , Sunday school teacher arrested and father who is the minister subject to investigation. Nobody bitch ed about her mug being in the paper , Islam is a menace , just the way it makes it followers think about reality is disturbing.

Cannon Shell 04-11-2009 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
That's not the way they think. They need a target at all times. Not wearing the scarf is against the religion? I would think it would be pretty minor compared to beating a 2 year old to death. How can you even care about this
when a dead 2 year old should be your concern? I told you they are more concerned with what a non-Muslim does to a Muslim than they are about any crime a Muslim commits against a fellow Muslim. This is just one more example of that B.S.

I just want to know why it is such an outrage to "insult" Islam or Muslims all the time yet everyone is allowed to ridicule Jews and Christians on a regular basis? Get the **** over it. Maybe if Muslims were a little more tolerant of other religious groups in their homelands then some of us may feel a little more sympathetic.

Honu 04-11-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I just want to know why it is such an outrage to "insult" Islam or Muslims all the time yet everyone is allowed to ridicule Jews and Christians on a regular basis? Get the **** over it. Maybe if Muslims were a little more tolerant of other religious groups in their homelands then some of us may feel a little more sympathetic.


You are trying reason , it wont work , there is none where Islam is concerned.

hi_im_god 04-12-2009 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Honu
And then we have here in Tracy California a little girl stolen and found dead in a suitcase in a pond , Sunday school teacher arrested and father who is the minister subject to investigation. Nobody bitch ed about her mug being in the paper , Islam is a menace , just the way it makes it followers think about reality is disturbing.

how odd no one thought to start a "christianity in a nutshell" thread with that story.

or take a photo of the accused in her bra.

SCUDSBROTHER 04-12-2009 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god
how odd no one thought to start a "Christianity in a nutshell" thread with that story.

or take a photo of the accused in her bra.


In your never-ending rush to balance any and all scales, you've totally missed the point of the thread. The point is not that a Muslim killed a 2 year old, or a Christian Sunday School teacher killed a child. The point being made is that Muslims often seem infatuated with any kind of slight injustice committed by a non-Muslim against a Muslim. Here, they seem much more interested in the lack of clothing attire of a Muslim suspect than they do the fact that a 2 year old Muslim was possibly beaten to death by that Muslim. As usual, you've made your asinine contribution.

AeWingnut 04-12-2009 07:20 AM

I worked with a gal, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultaana_Freeman that sued Florida over not getting to wear her burka for her driver's license. She used to beat her foster kids. They kept the kids in a burka too so you couldn't see the brusies. but they went too far and started breaking bones.

they said she has to wear the burka to conceal her beauty from everyone else.... not a problem. She was always looking to join a cult and she finally did.

Danzig 04-12-2009 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Honu
And then we have here in Tracy California a little girl stolen and found dead in a suitcase in a pond , Sunday school teacher arrested and father who is the minister subject to investigation. Nobody bitch ed about her mug being in the paper , Islam is a menace , just the way it makes it followers think about reality is disturbing.

i saw that she was arrested. seemed bizarre to me that a woman would kill the little girl. i think there's more to that too. i think she'll end up being charged in relation to the killing-but i don't think she did it. it would be far from the (hate to use this word->) norm in that type of case.

SOREHOOF 04-12-2009 10:00 AM

Our President says we are not a nation of Christians, Jews, Muslims, we are a nation of citizens (not even Americans). Citizens in America take off their headscarves for mugshots. I feel terrible she had to beat a child to death to find this out. Any official I.D. photo should be taken without something covering ones identity. That's why it's called "identification".

Riot 04-12-2009 10:08 AM

The point is that many on this board obviously hate Muslims just because they are Muslim, they can't shut up spewing their venom here in public, and they can't tolerate any other dissenting viewpoint that objects to fear, racism and hatred.

The asinine contributions here are self evident.

SOREHOOF 04-12-2009 10:12 AM

So cat burgers should be allowed to wear ski masks for their mugshots?

Riot 04-12-2009 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Shut up, you dumb c.unt.

You always are such a good example of the Mensa-type contributions to Derby Trail.

Riot 04-12-2009 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
So cat burgers should be allowed to wear ski masks for their mugshots?

Of course not. Neither should women be allowed to wear burkas.

Riot 04-12-2009 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
That hurts coming from an old broad that has the face of a wrinkled a.sshole covered with cancerous moles. Please continue to zing some more gems out of that decripit fartbox of yours.

I think you are under the mistaken impression that what you say matters.

hi_im_god 04-12-2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
In your never-ending rush to balance any and all scales, you've totally missed the point of the thread. The point is not that a Muslim killed a 2 year old, or a Christian Sunday School teacher killed a child. The point being made is that Muslims often seem infatuated with any kind of slight injustice committed by a non-Muslim against a Muslim. Here, they seem much more interested in the lack of clothing attire of a Muslim suspect than they do the fact that a 2 year old Muslim was possibly beaten to death by that Muslim. As usual, you've made your asinine contribution.

walk a mile in my shoes scuds

to me, it's more likely hyper-vigilance for anything that supports a twisted angry world view which may be blinding you to parts of the article like this:

"Islamic advocacy groups seem wary of taking up Hadid's cause."

otherwise i don't get the usage of a broad brush here.

Coach Pants 04-12-2009 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I think you are under the mistaken impression that what you say matters.

There you go resorting to reading my mind.

Only a true nutjob would barge in a thread and tell everyone the point of the thread is not the original post about a senseless murder over a set of rules from a fairy tale...oh no...it is about the replies from posters fed up with the stupid bints who follow and defend said religious beliefs.

Cannon Shell 04-12-2009 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
The point is that many on this board obviously hate Muslims just because they are Muslim, they can't shut up spewing their venom here in public, and they can't tolerate any other dissenting viewpoint that objects to fear, racism and hatred.

The asinine contributions here are self evident.

It is not hatred of Muslims but the irony of Muslims being the least tolerant religion yet demanding tolerence of their "customs" and the large amount of radical wings of islam that we are consistently told are just extremes. They want us to bend to their values yet the values that they supposedly hold dear offend the vast majority of the modern world. It is a two way street but when Islam or Muslims are called out we are racists or haters. They have the freedom to believe whatever they want but their religion is a joke and as i said before if they want to live in a place that gives a damn about their religious baggage then move to one of the many Islamic ruled countries found throughout the world.

Cannon Shell 04-12-2009 10:56 AM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123923457420703137.html

Danzig 04-12-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

i'd say the most likely answer to what the question asked is 'no'. our supposed ally, karzai, signed that ridiculous law in afganistan just the other day. we don't really hold sway in many of these countries, regardless of how much we talk, how much money we send, etc. it's a clash of cultures, with the govt more fearful of the radicals within then from the democracts without.

imo, for the most part if we relent on anything, it's viewed as a sign of weakness, and as a signal to ask for more-it's what israel deals with vs palestine and the larger arab world.

it's funny in a sad way that many in iraq say they want us OUT, but are fearful of what our leaving will bring. i'd say within a few years of us exiting iraq it will have returned to what it once was-or worse.

Danzig 04-12-2009 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
This seems like a no brainer to me. She had to remove her burka for the mugshot. Regardless of what anyone here thinks of Islam as a whole, when you commit a crime and get arrested you have to take a mugshot. The purpose of the mugshot is to identify you, with a picture. Kind of hard to identify someone with a burka on. Her husband is an idiot, obviously. And I can't imagine this story takes off much. This has nothing to do with what anyone here thinks of Islam or Muslims. It has to do with an accused murderer and her stupid husband who think rules don't apply to them.

i'm trying to picture a line up with someone trying to identify the perpetrator, and it's all burka-covered women. yeah, that would work well...:rolleyes:

Danzig 04-12-2009 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
This seems like a no brainer to me. She had to remove her burka for the mugshot. Regardless of what anyone here thinks of Islam as a whole, when you commit a crime and get arrested you have to take a mugshot. The purpose of the mugshot is to identify you, with a picture. Kind of hard to identify someone with a burka on. Her husband is an idiot, obviously. And I can't imagine this story takes off much. This has nothing to do with what anyone here thinks of Islam or Muslims. It has to do with an accused murderer and her stupid husband who think rules don't apply to them.

i'm trying to picture a line up with someone trying to identify the perpetrator, and it's all burka-covered women. yeah, that would work well...:rolleyes:

Danzig 04-12-2009 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
This seems like a no brainer to me. She had to remove her burka for the mugshot. Regardless of what anyone here thinks of Islam as a whole, when you commit a crime and get arrested you have to take a mugshot. The purpose of the mugshot is to identify you, with a picture. Kind of hard to identify someone with a burka on. Her husband is an idiot, obviously. And I can't imagine this story takes off much. This has nothing to do with what anyone here thinks of Islam or Muslims. It has to do with an accused murderer and her stupid husband who think rules don't apply to them.

i'm trying to picture a line up with someone trying to identify the perpetrator, and it's all burka-covered women. yeah, that would work well...:rolleyes:

SOREHOOF 04-12-2009 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
i'm trying to picture a line up with someone trying to identify the perpetrator, and it's all burka-covered women. yeah, that would work well...:rolleyes:

What's scary is I was thinking the same thing! The one with brown eyes!

Danzig 04-12-2009 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF
What's scary is I was thinking the same thing! The one with brown eyes!


we just had one hell of a t'storm pass thru-with a crapload of hail to boot. that explains the multiple posts above....lol
it wasn't as tho that point was worth reiterating.

Riot 04-12-2009 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is not hatred of Muslims but the irony of Muslims being the least tolerant religion yet demanding tolerence of their "customs" and the large amount of radical wings of islam that we are consistently told are just extremes.

This thread is entitled "Islam in a nutshell". It starts with a broad general accusation about the whole religion, "Apparantly beating a child to death over a 4 day period is AOK. But take off a headscarf to take a mugshot of the murderer and it's an insult to Islam?"

Yet in the article only the husband said that. Nobody quoted representing Islam supported the husband's viewpoint.

So how is what happened in the article remotely representative of, "Islam in a nutshell"? It's not.

Some pointing that out apparently puts a unwelcome speed bump under the "Muslims suck and here's more proof" bandwagon, inciting quite vitriolic and nasty personal posts.

Hope all good Christians were in church this Easter morning.

Riot 04-12-2009 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
There you go resorting to reading my mind.

Only a true nutjob would barge in a thread and tell everyone the point of the thread is not the original post about a senseless murder over a set of rules from a fairy tale...oh no...it is about the replies from posters fed up with the stupid bints who follow and defend said religious beliefs.

Only a pathetically insecure nutjob would repeatedly barge into multiple threads on a message board simply to hurl crude insults and curses at people they didn't like.

Too bad your not liking certain people isn't their problem or concern, only yours.

Cannon Shell 04-12-2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
This thread is entitled "Islam in a nutshell". It starts with a broad general accusation about the whole religion, "Apparantly beating a child to death over a 4 day period is AOK. But take off a headscarf to take a mugshot of the murderer and it's an insult to Islam?"

Yet in the article only the husband said that. Nobody quoted representing Islam supported the husband's viewpoint.

So how is what happened in the article remotely representative of, "Islam in a nutshell"? It's not.

Some pointing that out apparently puts a unwelcome speed bump under the "Muslims suck and here's more proof" bandwagon, inciting quite vitriolic and nasty personal posts.

Hope all good Christians were in church this Easter morning.

The husband represented Islam by using religion as a weapon of opportunity in her defense. No one said all Muslims are bad. But as usual your myopic vision of what the rest of us who have a hard time trusting, believing or caring about anything related to Islam and its supposed virtues becomes the issue. The realities of the world always seems to get in the way...

Cannon Shell 04-12-2009 12:10 PM

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04052009...ime_162775.htm

Now this doesnt mean all blacks are stupid or Liberals suck but....Spike Lee is an idiot who happens to be black and Bill Maher is a liberal who sucks...

Riot 04-12-2009 12:11 PM

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The husband represented Islam by using religion as a weapon of opportunity in her defense. No one said all Muslims are bad.
So your position is that some woman's husband using his religion as a defense to cause a complaint means that all others of that religion feel the same way? ("Islam in a nutshell".)

Cannon Shell 04-12-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
So your position is that some woman's husband using his religion as a defense to cause a complaint means that all others of that religion feel the same way? ("Islam in a nutshell".)

I didn't write the headline, just commented on the thread. And it seems like Muslims are involved in far more cases of using religion or insults to that religion than all other religions combined. Plus I was looking to use the word myopic in a thread today.

Riot 04-12-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Plus I was looking to use the word myopic in a thread today.

Nicely done.

dellinger63 04-12-2009 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Hope all good Christians were in church this Easter morning.

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmo64...eature=related

Honu 04-14-2009 11:38 PM

Taliban Execute Couple Seeking to ElopeBy AMIR SHAH and RAHIM FAIEZ, AP
posted: 6 HOURS 40 MINUTES AGOcomments: 641filed under: World NewsPrintShareText SizeAAAKABUL (April 14) - A Taliban firing squad killed a young couple in southwestern Afghanistan for trying to elope, shooting them with AK-47s in front of a crowd in a lawless, militant-controlled region, officials said Tuesday.
The woman, 19-year-old Gul Pecha, and the man, 21-year-old Abdul Aziz, were accused by the militants of immoral acts, and a council of conservative clerics decided that the two should be killed, officials said.
The two had hoped to travel to Iran, which borders their home province of Nimroz, but their parents sent villagers to bring them home, said Sadiq Chakhansori, the chief of the provincial council. Once back home, the pair was either turned over to the Taliban by their parents or the militants took them by force, the officials said, providing slightly varying accounts.
Riflemen in the remote district of Khash Rod shot them Monday, said Chakhansori.
"Unfortunately, Khash Rod is an area that is almost out of the control of the government," said Gov. Ghulam Dastagir Azad. "We don't have coalition or Afghan army forces there like we do in other districts.

The U.S. has 38,000 forces in Afghanistan, and President Barack Obama recently announced that the U.S. would send 21,000 more troops to the country this summer.
But in remote and dangerous regions of Afghanistan, Taliban fighters operate what are sometimes referred to as shadow governments, where militant leaders serve as government officials and run their own police units and pseudo court systems.
The conservative Taliban movement ruled Afghanistan from 1996-2001 and put in place harsh social rules that forbade unmarried men and women to talk or meet in public. Women were not allowed out of their homes without a male relative, and girls couldn't go to school.
Taliban fighters have widened their influence the last three years and now control many remote districts in Afghanistan where there are not enough U.S., NATO or Afghan forces to establish a permanent presence.
The Nimroz governor decried the fact that a three-person council of clerics operating outside the state's judicial system would level the death penalty.
"Through legal channels it would take months to prove such a case," Azad said. "How can these people make a decision in four days and kill them? No one has the right to kill anybody without the decision of a court."
Pecha, the woman, was an ethnic Pashtun from the region and a member of the Sunni sect of Islam, Azad said. Aziz was from the Shiite sect, Azad said, though he didn't know his ethnicity.
Nader Nadery, a spokesman for the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission, said the killings were the "worst act against mankind" and "completely against the principles of human rights."

Again I say control your bad guys and people wont view Islam as a virus. It is just unbelieveable that anyone would stand for this , truly these people need to be educated .

Riot 04-15-2009 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Honu
Again I say control your bad guys and people wont view Islam as a virus. It is just unbelieveable that anyone would stand for this , truly these people need to be educated .

Certainly you cannot be serious. Are you not familiar with the Taliban?

The Taliban represents Islam like the Klu Klux Klan represents Christians.


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