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Scav 04-08-2009 09:12 PM

BC Voting - COLORED SADDLE CLOTHS :)
 
delete thread, voting was only for facebook users

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2009 09:19 PM

I actually prefer same colored saddle cloths for Grade 1 stake races.

I know people say it's harder to follow the horses .. but I follow them by silks.

Not that it's a big deal to me if they do change to different colored saddle clothes.

Rudeboyelvis 04-08-2009 09:23 PM

You and Richard Grunder are two peas in a pod

Rudeboyelvis 04-08-2009 09:25 PM

Actually he doesn't follow the silks either.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-08-2009 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
You and Richard Grunder are two peas in a pod

Debatable

Rudeboyelvis 04-08-2009 10:22 PM

There's similarities. Jus' sayin'

Scav 04-09-2009 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I actually prefer same colored saddle cloths for Grade 1 stake races.

I know people say it's harder to follow the horses .. but I follow them by silks.

Not that it's a big deal to me if they do change to different colored saddle clothes.

They asked FOUR questions to people that were 'fans' of their Facebook page

1) Would you bet a Classic/Classic Daily Double?
2) Would you prefer colored saddle cloths?
3) Do you think the BC should also be held overseas?
4) Did you bet the Ultra P6 last year?

All my answers were yes.

letswastemoney 04-09-2009 12:26 AM

For races like the Classic, it doesn't matter cause all of us on this board recognize our favorite horses.

For races like the Juvenile, it might be helpful

hi_im_god 04-09-2009 12:48 AM

other than yelling "go rusty!" randomly during greyhound races, shouting "i had the one in the purple!" after every bc race is my favorite.

Bigsmc 04-09-2009 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I actually prefer same colored saddle cloths for Grade 1 stake races.

I know people say it's harder to follow the horses .. but I follow them by silks.

Not that it's a big deal to me if they do change to different colored saddle clothes.

Do you have x-ray vision that allowed you to see the silks through the mud at Monmouth?

The Indomitable DrugS 04-09-2009 04:48 AM

No need.





The Indomitable DrugS 04-09-2009 04:49 AM

Deep closing winners might have the front dirty:




But the back in normally clean:


Bobby Fischer 04-09-2009 06:22 AM

nice pics

The Indomitable DrugS 04-09-2009 06:25 AM

It's the purple saddle clothes that make them so pretty.

Start using all different colors and you wind up with a race that looks like the third at Emerald Downs on a tuesday.

Bigsmc 04-09-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
No need.





:wf

From my awesome seats :rolleyes: , unless they were on the lead the whole way, they all looked brown with purple saddle cloths until they were well past me and then I could see their colorful backs.

philcski 04-09-2009 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
:wf

From my awesome seats :rolleyes: , unless they were on the lead the whole way, they all looked brown with purple saddle cloths until they were well past me and then I could see their colorful backs.

i really did have awesome seats and i still couldn't figure out who was who.

parsixfarms 04-09-2009 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cardus
This came up in a thread about a year ago, and I totally agree... not that it's a major point. I marvel that people cannot follow horses -- especially the ones on whom they wager -- by silks.

With exotics and the like, most people are typically wagering on multiple horses in a race. Putting that aside, even if I haven't wagered on a horse that might be in contention or making a move, it's far easier to pick up the horse's saddle cloth than to refer back to the DRF description of the horse's silks to figure out who it is.

NTamm1215 04-09-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
:wf

From my awesome seats :rolleyes: , unless they were on the lead the whole way, they all looked brown with purple saddle cloths until they were well past me and then I could see their colorful backs.

And it was even worse if you bought one of those ear radios and were certain Maryfield was getting the lead but hadn't gotten a call from the announcer.

I was in the grandstand with binoculars and couldn't tell much regarding silks, although I did know that it was that big SOB Midnight Lute coming down the middle.

NT

philcski 04-09-2009 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
And it was even worse if you bought one of those ear radios and were certain Maryfield was getting the lead but hadn't gotten a call from the announcer.

I was in the grandstand with binoculars and couldn't tell much regarding silks, although I did know that it was that big SOB Midnight Lute coming down the middle.

NT

Mine shorted out about 20 minutes after I bought it!

2MinsToPost 04-09-2009 04:31 PM

colored saddle cloths please

Travis Stone 04-09-2009 04:43 PM

I'm pretty sure the non-change to this point has to do with the brand, marketing... purple saddle cloths = BC... hands down. Photos, collateral etc., it's all the same.

2MinsToPost 04-09-2009 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis Stone
I'm pretty sure the non-change to this point has to do with the brand, marketing... purple saddle cloths = BC... hands down. Photos, collateral etc., it's all the same.

yeah, not pointed at you but

screw the bettors who have to strain their eyes thru the race

the bettors who help fuel this sport 40 some weekends out of the year, the bettors who fuel this sport thru the week etc etc

just my opinion, one of the biggest wagering days of the year why would they cater to those who fuel the pools the other 40 plus weekends etc etc?

nah, lets cater to the celebs and high profile types? guarentee you "our" (us hard core week in week out) "players" far exceed this portion of the wagering dollar, the "high profile" weekend player on BC Day, KY Derby Day etc..

PatCummings 04-09-2009 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost
yeah, not pointed at you but

screw the bettors who have to strain their eyes thru the race

the bettors who help fuel this sport 40 some weekends out of the year, the bettors who fuel this sport thru the week etc etc

just my opinion, one of the biggest wagering days of the year why would they cater to those who fuel the pools the other 40 plus weekends etc etc?

nah, lets cater to the celebs and high profile types? guarentee you "our" (us hard core week in week out) "players" far exceed this portion of the wagering dollar, the "high profile" weekend player on BC Day, KY Derby Day etc..

The bettors will get paid winnings regardless of the color of the saddletowel.

While it might be a BIT easier to follow the race for a few seconds...you still may or may not know who is getting up in time...

Truly, I believe following the silks is what you should do, but save changing the saddle towels, why not adding Trakus and showing the chicklets?

MaTH716 04-09-2009 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PatCummings
The bettors will get paid winnings regardless of the color of the saddletowel.

While it might be a BIT easier to follow the race for a few seconds...you still may or may not know who is getting up in time...

Truly, I believe following the silks is what you should do, but save changing the saddle towels, why not adding Trakus and showing the chicklets?

Not might, it would be a hell of a lot easier if they colored the saddlecloths. Are you saying that's it's easier to remember the silks of 4-5 horses that you might have in a leg of a pick 3 or 4? I really don't know why they are so stubborn on this issue. But then again why should I be suprised. These are the same people that decided to go back to back years at Santa Anita.

jballscalls 04-09-2009 09:12 PM

chicklets are the most annoying thing ever. How Keeneland and Del mar do it is good, just the numbers across the bottom, but those dancing things are the worst. I am all for tradition, but BC Day is a day we can showcase our great game to many many new fans as well as try to get casual fans more involved, why make it more confusing by having the same color saddle towels??

Scav 04-09-2009 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jballscalls
chicklets are the most annoying thing ever. I am all for tradition, but BC Day is a day we can showcase our great game to many many new fans as well as try to get casual fans more involved, why make it more confusing by having the same color saddle towels??

Have you been to Keeneland or seen the Woodbine simucast?

It is far from annoying, give someone that is actually watching the race the opportunity to find their horse.

jballscalls 04-09-2009 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Have you been to Keeneland or seen the Woodbine simucast?

It is far from annoying, give someone that is actually watching the race the opportunity to find their horse.

I've been to Keeneland tens of times and i've watched the woodbine simulcast quite a bit. I just dont care for them at all with the bouncy thingys, i do however like when they just post the order in a straight line.

Just my opinion, i can understand where your coming from completely, if i had the option i wouldnt have them.

NTamm1215 04-09-2009 09:23 PM

The Woodbine simulcast signal is horrendous. They've taken up half the screen to put up the chicklets that not only bounce around all the time but switch over every time a turn is made.

I love what Keeneland and Del Mar do and Woodbine could immediately improve their signal by following suit.

NT

VOL JACK 04-09-2009 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
It's the purple saddle clothes that make them so pretty.

Start using all different colors and you wind up with a race that looks like the third at Emerald Downs on a tuesday.

Im in favor of having a Mountaineer style Breeders Cup.
The #10 horse would get overbet in every race with those pretty polka-dot silks.

Bigsmc 04-10-2009 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jballscalls
I've been to Keeneland tens of times and i've watched the woodbine simulcast quite a bit. I just dont care for them at all with the bouncy thingys, i do however like when they just post the order in a straight line.

Just my opinion, i can understand where your coming from completely, if i had the option i wouldnt have them.

I agree, keep them on the bottom of the screen and all is well.

The Indomitable DrugS 04-10-2009 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
Im in favor of having a Mountaineer style Breeders Cup.
The #10 horse would get overbet in every race with those pretty polka-dot silks.

Mountaineer is straight :$:

Yeah .. the inside posts get stuck with the solid colors. Godolphin owns every 3 horse to ever run at Mountaineer.

TheSpyder 04-10-2009 07:31 AM

Keep the silks purple but dye the horses like Easter Eggs.

Happy Easter

Spyder

MaTH716 04-10-2009 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSpyder
Keep the silks purple but dye the horses like Easter Eggs.

Happy Easter

Spyder

Almost but not quite,
Color the saddlecloths and dye the Poly-Crap purple!

TheSpyder 04-10-2009 07:44 AM

What was I thinking......dye the Jockeys!
Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716
Almost but not quite,
Color the saddlecloths and dye the Poly-Crap purple!


Travis Stone 04-10-2009 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jballscalls
but BC Day is a day we can showcase our great game to many many new fans as well as try to get casual fans more involved

In my opinion the BC is more about the veterans and hardcore players... two days and 13 races is too much for someone to jump into this game. It's way too much racing for a newbie to understand.

Races like the Kentucky Derby and Belmont (with TC on the line) are better venues for new fan attraction.

jballscalls 04-10-2009 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
In my opinion the BC is more about the veterans and hardcore players... two days and 13 races is too much for someone to jump into this game. It's way too much racing for a newbie to understand.

Races like the Kentucky Derby and Belmont (with TC on the line) are better venues for new fan attraction.


Good point. However, i consider myself somewhat of a hardcore fan/player and when i was watching the races at our OTB where you couldnt hear Trevor, i had no clue what Desert Code or Goldikova's silks were, hence it would have been really nice to know they were the 9 or 4 horse with their saddle towel. As a fan and bettor, its hard enough to try and pick winners out of the form, no sense in making them memorize silks to 200 horses over the 2 days.

SuffolkGirl 04-10-2009 12:02 PM

Colored saddle cloths please.

In an attempt to meld the tradition of purple cloths and insure that the races don't look like every other race at some B level track couldn't they use the standard colored cloths with a BC purple border? Granted, some of the combinations will be difficult and/or hideous to look at but it might be a start.

PatCummings 04-10-2009 12:10 PM

If using "chicklets" the Keeneland/Del Mar model would certainly be best. I completely agree there.

What is the issue with OTBs not playing sound? Even on track simulcasting areas should play sound. It is the two biggest days in American racing and you don't get sound?

Talking about colored saddletowels - if you are sitting at an OTB and don't have personal TV in front of you, with the lack of clarity in these signals anyway, your chances of clearly seeing the saddle towel colors is limited. I'm not saying it wouldn't be some help, but I think it can be a bit overblown.


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