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MaTH716 04-01-2009 12:35 PM

The where does and who wants Jay Cutler Thread.
 
I am curious to hear from the Jet contingent, do you guys want him and what are you willing to give up for him. I think Da Bears and Bucs are well represented on the board as well, what do you guys think? Who wants him and where will he eventually end up?
I personally think he ends up with Gang Green.

dellinger63 04-01-2009 12:37 PM

We'll take him for sure. Bears.

ateamstupid 04-01-2009 01:54 PM

I may be in the minority, but I don't want Cutler on the Jets. He's an arrogant, sensitive jerk, too much baggage, he'll cost way too much, Kerry Rhodes hates his guts, he's yet to win anything, etc. If we trade for him we might as well cut Clemens and Ratliff (I'm optimistic about both guys' ability) because we'd be making a long-term commitment to Cutler. It's not like the Favre experiment where if it fails you cut your losses and move on the next year. If Cutler fails it sets us back 5+ years.

Mainly it's the cost though. The fact that I'm even hearing Revis and trade in the same sentence (granted it's usually being pooh poohed as too expensive) has me freaking out.

golfer 04-01-2009 02:47 PM

I'm very much on the fence about him. I do think it doesn't hurt to do the due dilligence, and investigate. But they best be sure he can handle the spotlight and media of NY before they make an offer for him. I've got no problem giving up draft picks, but don't even think about Revis, who may end up being the Jets best draft pick since Namath. They seemingly passed on him twice his draft year, picking Ferguson at 4, then attempting to trade up to 9 to get.... Leinart. He certainly didn't make any friends when the Jets played Denver this season.

So there's alot to consider in the negative column, on the positive side, he is very talented, so we shall see.

IrishofNDMan 04-01-2009 02:59 PM

anyone know if the Niners are interested in Cutler?

SniperSB23 04-01-2009 03:37 PM

Last 7 games last year he had 7 TDs to 7 INTs as his team blew an easy division lead. Combine that with his sensitivity issues and this guy is no sure thing.

declansharbor 04-01-2009 03:41 PM

I hope Bowlen and McDaniels ship him to a team that will be losers for years to come.

What will the asking price be?

Bigsmc 04-01-2009 03:42 PM

This Bucs fan does not want anything to do with him. The negatives outweigh the positives.

Although, I wouldn't mind seeing the Glazers open up their wallet for something not Manchester United related.

SniperSB23 04-01-2009 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
I hope Bowlen and McDaniels ship him to a team that will be losers for years to come.

What will the asking price be?

And it's about 100% that he'll be going to a team with no receiver the quality of Brandon Marshall.

slotdirt 04-01-2009 03:49 PM

As a Lions fan, I sincerely hope they pick Matthew Stafford and stay far, far away from Jay Cutler.

ninetoone 04-01-2009 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I may be in the minority, but I don't want Cutler on the Jets. He's an arrogant, sensitive jerk, too much baggage, he'll cost way too much, Kerry Rhodes hates his guts, he's yet to win anything, etc. If we trade for him we might as well cut Clemens and Ratliff (I'm optimistic about both guys' ability) because we'd be making a long-term commitment to Cutler. It's not like the Favre experiment where if it fails you cut your losses and move on the next year. If Cutler fails it sets us back 5+ years.

Mainly it's the cost though. The fact that I'm even hearing Revis and trade in the same sentence (granted it's usually being pooh poohed as too expensive) has me freaking out.

Hmmmm...this guy has Redskins written all over him. We'll take him.

-BT- 04-01-2009 04:03 PM

even though i don't think he's a team guy i would welcome him with open arms here in Washington over the likes of Jason Campbell..... who has been sub-par ever since he had his standout pro day as an auburn tiger

"its campbell not candle"

-bt-

PeteMugg 04-01-2009 06:15 PM

Not saying JC is a great QB or has the best attitude, but to hear through the grapevine your new coach is shopping you around before he even hits town ... that's kinda low. That's gotta make the Broncs that remain a little uneasy. Guess we'll see how this pans out for Denver over time.

Coach Pants 04-01-2009 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
As a Lions fan, I sincerely hope they pick Matthew Stafford and stay far, far away from Jay Cutler.

Yeah Stafford is a star. It'll be great watching him self-destruct with the Lions in pressure games like he did at Georgia.

QBs in the draft this year are horrendous.

Cannon Shell 04-01-2009 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Yeah Stafford is a star. It'll be great watching him self-destruct with the Lions in pressure games like he did at Georgia.

QBs in the draft this year are horrendous.

The Lions have pressure games?

Hickory Hill Hoff 04-01-2009 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The Lions have pressure games?

the ones that they try to win

mclem0822 04-01-2009 09:06 PM

Dan Snyder.....
 
Isn't committed to Jason Campbell, who has 1 year left on his contract. I haven't heard what Zorn's thoughts are. Apparently Snyder thinks we are a franchise QB away from being a major contender. I'm a bit torn, because I think Jason Campbell has talent, and could turn out to be a very good quarterback. Jay Cutler is very talented, I've been impressed from his Vandy days. I feel he's got a great arm, and when he's on top of his game is very accurate. Who's knows if he's ready to handle the most powerful job in DC! :D But, I would be very interested to find out. I think we may be more than a player away, I hope Haynesworth will impact the D pass rush, although on the other end of the line we could use another rusher, in my opinion. I also hope we van get deeper on the O line as well. More later when the DRAFT Threads pop up!:D

MaTH716 04-01-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mclem0822
Isn't committed to Jason Campbell, who has 1 year left on his contract. I haven't heard what Zorn's thoughts are. Apparently Snyder thinks we are a franchise QB away from being a major contender. I'm a bit torn, because I think Jason Campbell has talent, and could turn out to be a very good quarterback. Jay Cutler is very talented, I've been impressed from his Vandy days. I feel he's got a great arm, and when he's on top of his game is very accurate. Who's knows if he's ready to handle the most powerful job in DC! :D But, I would be very interested to find out. I think we may be more than a player away, I hope Haynesworth will impact the D pass rush, although on the other end of the line we could use another rusher, in my opinion. I also hope we van get deeper on the O line as well. More later when the DRAFT Threads pop up!:D

NFC East >AFC West

Scav 04-01-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
We'll take him for sure. Bears.

Supposedly he was a Bears fan growing up, and being that he is from Santa Claus, IN, I guess he wants to go to the Bears or Tennessee.

While I would love to see the Bears, it isn't going to happen, they are retarded when it comes acquiring big talent

dalakhani 04-01-2009 09:20 PM

He has a great arm. He has stretches where he looks amazing. But can we really call him a leader?

His teams at Vandy were average at best and the broncos under his leadership were average any way you want to cut it.

All that being said, what would you give up for him? More than a first round pick? I would give up a first round and perhaps another pick or player but not much else and thats only because he is under contract (and cheap!) for the next three years.

MaTH716 04-01-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
He has a great arm. He has stretches where he looks amazing. But can we really call him a leader?

His teams at Vandy were average at best and the broncos under his leadership were average any way you want to cut it.

All that being said, what would you give up for him? More than a first round pick? I would give up a first round and perhaps another pick or player but not much else and thats only because he is under contract (and cheap!) for the next three years.


Whoa, a Dala sighting! :eek:

dalakhani 04-01-2009 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
Whoa, a Dala sighting! :eek:

Couldnt resist. Great topic. And I dont blame Cutler one bit for wanting this move. Dumb move for a rookie coach shopping your QB.

MaTH716 04-01-2009 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Couldnt resist. Great topic. And I dont blame Cutler one bit for wanting this move. Dumb move for a rookie coach shopping your QB.

I would agree with you, but I feel this case is a bit different. The QB that the coach wanted was available. So if you could bring that guy in, who already knows the scheme you want to run on offense. I would think that it makes it that much easier for the rest of the offense to learn. It's one less thing for a rookie or any new head coach to worry about.

declansharbor 04-01-2009 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
Couldnt resist. Great topic. And I dont blame Cutler one bit for wanting this move. Dumb move for a rookie coach shopping your QB.

This is still the NFL, right?

He surely has to have thicker skin than he showed in this case. Imagine him an Eagle for a day, where you can't even wipe your a$$ from back to front without the crazies clamoring in full force calling you everything under the sun. He'd wither away into his walk-in closet and cry.

Was McDaniels so wrong to have fielded/made a few phone calls inquiring about the services of a guy who he's biased towards? He clearly had a thing for Cassell and knew of the situation(franchise tag). I think that he wouldnt've been doing his job to the best of his capabilities if he didnt at least call about his availability. Besides, as a young first year coach, you have to set the bar and make sure they all know that no one person is above the team. Too bad if Cutler refused to see that.

dalakhani 04-01-2009 09:49 PM

You guys both make good points. However, a couple of big mistakes were made:

1. McDaniel lied about it after he got his hand caught in the cookie jar. If he would have just come clean, it could have been resolved. Instead, he was at very least not forthright and he came across as being less than genuine. Regardless of his motives, he wasnt being "stand up".

2. Regardless of whether or not Cassel knows the system, he is not in the same league as Cutler in terms of talent. Cutler has a bigger arm and is more accurate. You can teach a system...you can't teach talent.

3. This was going to blow up either way. The last thing a rookie coach needs is controversy especially a 32 year old inexperienced rookie coach that replaced the most successful coach in Bronco history.

Coach Pants 04-01-2009 11:13 PM

McDaniels sucks. Romeo Crennel 2: Electric Boogaloo

-BT- 04-02-2009 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Supposedly he was a Bears fan growing up, and being that he is from Santa Claus, IN, I guess he wants to go to the Bears or Tennessee.

While I would love to see the Bears, it isn't going to happen, they are retarded when it comes acquiring big talent


with the bears system i hope he has perfected the art of the hand off b/c he aint gonna be no gun slinger there.... plus the wind:rolleyes:


-bt-

Crown@club 04-02-2009 09:21 AM

Washington only has 4 draft picks this year. It would be very interesting if they can actually pull off a deal. Give up some defensive players?

SniperSB23 04-02-2009 09:50 AM

I think the best part of this all is that it started with the firing of Mike Shanahan who won the freakin team back to back Super Bowls which should have spared him the humiliation of ever being fired. Karma is a b!tch and they are getting exactly what they deserved.

SniperSB23 04-02-2009 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crown@club
Washington only has 4 draft picks this year. It would be very interesting if they can actually pull off a deal. Give up some defensive players?

How can they possibly have ANY salary cap room left?

-BT- 04-02-2009 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crown@club
Washington only has 4 draft picks this year. It would be very interesting if they can actually pull off a deal. Give up some defensive players?

if danny boy wants the deal to go through it will in all likelihood go through. Obviously there has been tons of speculation around here in washington. The latest i heard on the radio driving in this morning was that danny is trying to bring in shannahan axing zorn thus giving us some sort of upper hand in the cutler sweepstakes. Not sure where they are cap wise, but they did cut loose some big salaries this off season in Springs and Jason Taylor as well as Marcus Washington.

IMO, i could see some sort of package deal like Campbell our first and the likes of Malcom Kelly going over... or maybe even fred davis in place of kelly.

personally, i don't care for cutler, i think he's cocky and not a great team guy, more of an individual who stood out like a shinning light at a bad football program, is he a winner? yet to be seen. But i think the campbell experience has run its course and we all know danny boy has little patience for those who don't have a major impact for his team

side note: its said that snyder himself was at the mark sanchez workout, if the the skins draft him i will refrain from rooting for them this year. This team obviously doesn't draft well and this would be the last straw that broke the camels back for me as a fan

-bt-

2 Dollar Bill 04-02-2009 11:52 AM

I hope he stays in the AFC West... so we can beat up on him twice a year !
Goooooo Raaaaaaaiiiiddddddddddeeeeerrrrrrsssssssss !!!!

alysheba4 04-02-2009 02:56 PM

how bout a f*C& jay cuttler thread.

ateamstupid 04-02-2009 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alysheba4
how bout a f*C& jay cuttler thread.

You mean that's not what this is?

gales0678 04-02-2009 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
I think the best part of this all is that it started with the firing of Mike Shanahan who won the freakin team back to back Super Bowls which should have spared him the humiliation of ever being fired. Karma is a b!tch and they are getting exactly what they deserved.


it was time to go , he had won 1 playoff game since elway had left

ateamstupid 04-02-2009 03:14 PM

The Broncos are asking for two first-rounders and a starting quarterback. So basically they turned a franchise quarterback getting paid $1 million into a bigger salary for maybe a lesser quarterback, and first round money for two more guys.

gales0678 04-02-2009 03:16 PM

i am a long suffering jet fan - cutler is not the answer

this coach wants to build around defense , fine , you get a Flacco type of QB - someone who will fit your system , they are not easy to find but this is the direction the jets must go

ateamstupid 04-02-2009 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gales0678
i am a long suffering jet fan - cutler is not the answer

this coach wants to build around defense , fine , you get a Flacco type of QB - someone who will fit your system , they are not easy to find but this is the direction the jets must go

Or we could just go with one of the two guys we have. What 'system' do they have to fit that Ryan wants? Don't throw interceptions, hand the ball off to Leon and TJ? Sounds complicated. And then we could, you know, use that first-round pick on someone for our guy to throw to. Our receiving corps was a joke with Coles, now without him it's a one-hour standup.

Seems to me that the last thing you'd want to do with an unproven quarterback under center is saddle him with a good #2 (Cotchery) as his #1 and not much beyond that. I like the Chansellor and Clowney, but their ceilings seem to be #3 WR's.

Crown@club 04-02-2009 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
The Broncos are asking for two first-rounders and a starting quarterback. So basically they turned a franchise quarterback getting paid $1 million into a bigger salary for maybe a lesser quarterback, and first round money for two more guys.


Quote:

Originally Posted by -BT-
IMO, i could see some sort of package deal like Campbell our first and the likes of Malcom Kelly going over... or maybe even fred davis in place of kelly.
-bt-

That's not going to get it done. They need defensive players. They won't accept anything less than multiple picks and defensive players. They really don't need a QB in return. Denver can draft one and sign Garcia for 1 year. Or try out Leftwich. Right now its 2 1st round picks at least, QB is not a must.

Snyder has the tendency to overpay for veterans that are past their prime. Unless he change his ways, I just don't see his teams improving much at all.

ateamstupid 04-02-2009 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crown@club
That's not going to get it done. They need defensive players. They won't accept anything less than multiple picks and defensive players. They really don't need a QB in return. Denver can draft one and sign Garcia for 1 year. Or try out Leftwich. Right now its 2 1st round picks at least, QB is not a must.

Tell that to the Broncos. What I wrote wasn't my opinion, it's what's being reported.


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