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GPK 08-06-2006 04:58 PM

Note to Garret Gomez
 
RIDE YOUR F*CKING HORSES OUT.....A$$HOLE.

Dont quit when you get passed....there is still 2nd, 3rd to worry about.

Common "short person".

Scav 08-06-2006 05:07 PM

Gomez is probably taller then you so I don't know who is the small person

GPK 08-06-2006 05:09 PM

That better?

GPK 08-06-2006 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Gomez is probably taller then you so I don't know who is the midget

who gives a sh*t if he is....at least when I have a job and a task at hand....I do it with 100% effort....unlike him.

PeteMugg 08-06-2006 05:10 PM

LOL ... Much better

Rupert Pupkin 08-06-2006 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
RIDE YOUR F*CKING HORSES OUT.....A$$HOLE.

Dont quit when you get passed....there is still 2nd, 3rd to worry about.

Common "short person".

What horse are you complaining about, Eden's Causway? She was going to run 4th no matter what. He stopped riding her about 2 feet before the wire after he was passed for 3rd. He didn't cost her anything.

GPK 08-06-2006 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
What horse are you complaining about, Eden's Causway? She was going to run 4th no matter what. He stopped riding her about 2 feet before the wire after he was passed for 3rd. He didn't cost her anything.


Richi, you know me and I don't complain about much at all. But from my point of view, I am of the opinion that he DID NOT work near as hard for 2nd as Cornelio or Rafael. Not even close. I have taken enough beats that I haven't gotten upset....but when I don't see a jock giving an effort...I get pissed.

You want effort? Watch Bravo in the HASKELL. BGC ran a mile past him, but he was gonna be d*mn sure NOONE else got 2nd. That is effort.

Rupert Pupkin 08-06-2006 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Richi, you know me and I don't complain about much at all. But from my point of view, I am of the opinion that he DID NOT work near as hard for 2nd as Cornelio or Rafael. Not even close. I have taken enough beats that I haven't gotten upset....but when I don't see a jock giving an effort...I get pissed.

You want effort? Watch Bravo in the HASKELL. BGC ran a mile past him, but he was gonna be d*mn sure NOONE else got 2nd. That is effort.

I think you need to watch the replay. GG kept whipping and driving all the way until about 2 feet before the wire. I watched the replay. GG always rides hard. He would be the last guy I would criticize when it comes to that. HE's always rding hard to get 2nd or 3rd when he can't win.

With regards to Bravo in the haskell, I would sure as hell hope he's riding hard for 2nd. Do you know what 2nd pays in the Haskell? It pays $200,000. His cut is $20,000. He'll make more money running 2nd in the Haskell than he'll make for winning any other race the entire year. I'm not surprised he was trying hard to get 2nd.

GPK 08-06-2006 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
I think you need to watch the replay. GG kept whipping and driving all the way until about 2 feet before the wire. I watched the replay. GG always rides hard. He would be the last guy I would criticize when it comes to that. HE's always rding hard to get 2nd or 3rd when he can't win.

With regards to Bravo in the haskell, I would sure as hell hope he's riding hard for 2nd. Do you know what 2nd pays in the Haskell? It pays $200,000. His cut in $20,000. He'll make more money running 2nd in the Haskell than he'll make for winning any other race the entire year. I'm not surprised he was trying hard to get 2nd.


You are clearly a better race watcher than myself and have been doing it much longer than I. I don't have access to a replay, but if you say he didn't quit, so be it. Just looked to me while watching that he was clearly not giving as much as the other two.

Gander 08-06-2006 05:38 PM

Kev-
Did you need Edens for 2nd? Or are you talking about Artie Schiller?

How about Kent D yesterday not caring a hoot to ride to try and get in the triple in that last race. That was plain awful.

GPK 08-06-2006 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gander
Kev-
Did you need Edens for 2nd? Or are you talking about Artie Schiller?

How about Kent D yesterday not caring a hoot to ride to try and get in the triple in that last race. That was plain awful.


I'm talking about Eden. I stand by what I thought I saw, but I have to give respect where it is due, most in here are tons better handicappers and race watchers than I am.

Oh well....COry just helped me out in the 4th at DelMar

Scav 08-06-2006 06:04 PM

replays are free from nyra.com, for NY races

Gander 08-06-2006 06:05 PM

Nice. Hope you cashed a nice one.

I just watched that last race at Toga over and in my opinion Gomez just wasnt on the 2nd or 3rd bet horse Kev. Dueling in deep stretch with the winner, who had tons, took everything out of Edens.

I know what your saying about guys not riding horses out for 2nd and 3rd. Happens every day. Mike Smith use to be the king of that.

GPK 08-06-2006 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
replays are free from nyra.com, for NY races


turn on NBC

Raysva 08-06-2006 06:20 PM

Gomez
 
One thing for sure! He has no sense of pace in the race , lets chase 22, 46 going long real long no clock in this boys head at all I KNOW ONE PERSON ON THIS BOARD will agree with me. Oracle?

Rupert Pupkin 08-06-2006 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Raysva
One thing for sure! He has no sense of pace in the race , lets chase 22, 46 going long real long no clock in this boys head at all I KNOW ONE PERSON ON THIS BOARD will agree with me. Oracle?

They went the half in :46 4/5. GG had her about 4 lengths behind. That means that she was going :47 3/5. The last time she ran, Prado rode her. They went :46 2/5 and Prado only had her 1 1/2 lengths behind. I guess that means that Prado had even less sense of pace than Gomez.

Gomez has as good of a clock in his head as any rider in the country. That is one of the reasons that he has made more in purses than any jockey in the country this year. You may want to check the jockey standings at drf.com and see who the leading rider in the country is. That's amazing how he does that even though he has no clock in his head. LOL.

GPK 08-06-2006 07:00 PM

My midget ass just needs to learn to watch races better, I reckon.:o

Rupert Pupkin 08-06-2006 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
My midget ass just needs to learn to watch races better, I reckon.:o

No matter how good your eye is, you won't see nearly as much from watching the race once as you will if you watch the replay a few times.

GPK 08-06-2006 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
No matter how good your eye is, you won't see nearly as much from watching the race once as you will if you watch the replay a few times.


True....I really do need to spend the money for racereplays.com. I'm trying to learn....not dumb enough to think I know everything.

Scav 08-06-2006 07:19 PM

Apologize to Garrett

SCUDSBROTHER 08-06-2006 07:28 PM

Kev,I think the guy often lacks judgement( not effort.)Seems like Garrett thought the race was a furlong shorter than what it was,but lets avoid the subject.Took all of 15 minutes for you to get the ball-licker's response huh? Not surprised.BTW,do you remember the name of that V Cerin horse that Gomez butchered the ride on going down the hill at Anita? We talked about it one time,but the name escapes me.

oracle80 08-06-2006 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
RIDE YOUR F*CKING HORSES OUT.....A$$HOLE.

Dont quit when you get passed....there is still 2nd, 3rd to worry about.

Common "short person".

Oh come on now GPK. I mean I SURELY don't have any idea what I am seeing when I watch a race. I mean what criticisim I took for pointing out his majesty's shortcomings was certainly wrong huh?
Bottom line is that he is an amazing talent who still doesnt ride with his head.

oracle80 08-06-2006 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Kev,I think the guy often lacks judgement( not effort.)Seems like Garrett thought the race was a furlong shorter than what it was,but lets avoid the subject.Took all of 15 minutes for you to get the ball-licker's response huh? Not surprised.BTW,do you remember the name of that V Cerin horse that Gomez butchered the ride on going down the hill at Anita? We talked about it one time,but the name escapes me.

His worst rode ever was Sigfreto and I hope he gets the clap for it, I really mean that.

oracle80 08-06-2006 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
I'm talking about Eden. I stand by what I thought I saw, but I have to give respect where it is due, most in here are tons better handicappers and race watchers than I am.

Oh well....COry just helped me out in the 4th at DelMar

He may have held 2nd but he definitely would have held 3rd. He needs to be fined for that ride, he really does.

GPK 08-06-2006 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Kev,I think the guy often lacks judgement( not effort.)Seems like Garrett thought the race was a furlong shorter than what it was,but lets avoid the subject.Took all of 15 minutes for you to get the ball-licker's response huh? Not surprised.BTW,do you remember the name of that V Cerin horse that Gomez butchered the ride on going down the hill at Anita? We talked about it one time,but the name escapes me.


Scuds...not sure if you are being faciscious...but honestly I can't remember the horse from the turf sprint. I watch so many races, thats why I try and make note and add them to DRF when I seen a tough trip or bad ride, for their next out race.

Is it Sigfreto?

2Hot4TV 08-06-2006 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raysva
One thing for sure! He has no sense of pace in the race , lets chase 22, 46 going long real long no clock in this boys head at all I KNOW ONE PERSON ON THIS BOARD will agree with me. Oracle?

Now you know 2. Most west coast riders (and Garret is a grad of the SoCal penal colony)can't tell time so there is no need to know what a clock is. You can ask them about Pace and they think Salsa.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-06-2006 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Scuds...not sure if you are being faciscious...but honestly I can't remember the horse from the turf sprint. I watch so many races, thats why I try and make note and add them to DRF when I seen a tough trip or bad ride, for their next out race.

Is it Sigfreto?

Remember that I showed you the horse's form,and that ride stood out in the form like a sore thumb.

GPK 08-06-2006 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Remember that I showed you the horse's form,and that ride stood out in the form like a sore thumb.


Ahhhh yes.....stood out like Tiger Woods at a Past Champions dinner at Augusta:D

SCUDSBROTHER 08-06-2006 08:01 PM

Starts with a K(I think,)and usually ran atleast a 2nd down the hill until he got on.

GPK 08-06-2006 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Starts with a K(I think,)and usually ran atleast a 2nd down the hill until he got on.

I remember us emailing back and forth about it, but still cant recall the name.

SCUDSBROTHER 08-06-2006 08:34 PM

SANTA ANITA PARK
Thu, Feb 9th, 2006 - Race 7
Purse: $52,000 Type: Allowance optional claiming, 4yo & Up Distance: 6 1/2F Surface: Turf

#2 Kewen..........Has the horse in no man's land,and is rewarded with a predictable shove way wide when they hit the dirt.Nothing near that bad on that horse's ppf down the hill.That's all compliments of Gomez having the horse in an awful spot at the wrong time.He was just asking for trouble in that spot.Like with most of the trouble he has.

GPK 08-06-2006 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
SANTA ANITA PARK
Thu, Feb 9th, 2006 - Race 7
Purse: $52,000 Type: Allowance optional claiming, 4yo & Up Distance: 6 1/2F Surface: Turf

#2 Kewen..........Has the horse in no man's land,and is rewarded with a predictable shove way wide when they hit the dirt.Nothing near that bad on that horse's ppf down the hill.That's all compliments of Gomez having the horse in an awful spot at the wrong time.He was just asking for trouble in that spot.Like with most of the trouble he has.

thats it....I remember now.

Why the heck do you still have that email saved????

SCUDSBROTHER 08-06-2006 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
thats it....I remember now.

Why the heck do you still have that email saved????

I don't,but I know it was down the hill,and on a Wednesday or Thursday during the middle of the meet.The distance is always ABOUT 6.5 F.So,it is easier to find than you might think.

GPK 08-06-2006 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I don't,but I know it was down the hill,and on a Wednesday or Thursday during the middle of the meet.The distance is always ABOUT 6.5 F.So,it is easier to find than you might think.


I thought you may have went back in your box and found the actual email.

oracle80 08-06-2006 08:46 PM

Geez you guys finally caught on that he is a talented moron?

SCUDSBROTHER 08-06-2006 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Geez you guys finally caught on that he is a talented moron?


I don't know what he is,but the I know the rides on these 3 chalks were awful... Kewen,Sigfreto,and TM BLING. He may have done this n' that.."look at the stats," but on those 3 horses his decision making was very poor.

Rupert Pupkin 08-06-2006 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
Geez you guys finally caught on that he is a talented moron?

Your views have slowly been changing over the last year. A year ago, you said that the guy stinks period. A few months ago, you said that he is a moron. Then you said he has some talent but is a moron. Then it changed to he has more talent than anyone but is inconsistent. Pretty soon, you'll be saying that he's the best jockey period. You won't be able to say that he suddenly learned how to ride. He's been riding for 15 years. You'll have to admit that you originally misjudged him.

You can't judge anyone in any sport based on their performance in any given month. Every single great player in every sport has had bad months. If you checked anyone's stats including Michael Jordan and Wayne Gretzky, you would see that they had some slumps. The only thing that matters is how someone does over time.

Just out of curiosity, where do you rank Gomez overall? I know you think he has tremendous physical talent but is lacking upstairs. Where does he rank overall? If you had to hire a jock to ride for you full-time, what would your list look like? Who would be your first choice, second choice, third choice, etc? I assume JV would be your first choice.

Rupert Pupkin 08-06-2006 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80
He may have held 2nd but he definitely would have held 3rd. He needs to be fined for that ride, he really does.

What are you smoking? He rode the horse all the way to the wire. He didn't stop riding the horse until he was 4th and that happened about one foot from the wire.

ArlJim78 08-06-2006 10:17 PM

he was inhaled nearing the wire by a couple horses after running the race fairly close to some swift fractions, he made his move on the turn and tried to steal it but fell short. he got all he could have out of that horse and I think faulting the ride is a little nutty.

GPK 08-06-2006 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
he was inhaled nearing the wire by a couple horses after running the race fairly close to some swift fractions, he made his move on the turn and tried to steal it but fell short. he got all he could have out of that horse and I think faulting the ride is a little nutty.

not the first, nor last time I will be called nutty.


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