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Kasept 03-25-2009 07:13 AM

3yo Graded Earnings List
 
Kentucky Derby Graded Earnings for Major Contenders (through 04/5/09)

1 Regal Ransom $1,250,000
2 Pioneerof the Nile $1,193,250
3 Square Eddie $774,981
4 Desert Party $641,667
5 I Want Revenge $774,000
6 Quality Road $600,000
7 Friesan Fire $570,465
8 Musket Man $485,000
9 Terrain $410,830 BLUE GRASS
10 West Side Bernie $385,160
11 Chocolate Candy $370,000
12 Old Fashioned $330,000 AK DERBY
13 Hold Me Back $288,000 BLUE GRASS
XX
XX
(14) 16 Win Willy $180,000 AK DERBY
(15) 17 Giant Oak $169,256
(16) 18 Papa Clem $160,000 AK DERBY
(17) 19 Charitable Man $150,000 BLUE GRASS
(18) 19 Dunkirk $150,000
XX
(19) 22 Theregoesjojo $133,063
XX
(20) KDKC Maafaz BLUE GRASS
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24 General Quarters $130,645 BLUE GRASS
25 Mr. Hot Stuff $114,000
XX
27 Flying Private $94,000 AK DERBY
28 El Crespo BLUE GRASS
28 Flying Pegasus $90,000
30 Take the Points $85,000
31 Atomic Rain $77,500
32 Just A Coincidence $75,000
33 Imperial Council $72,500
34 Join in the Dance $67,500 AK DERBY
35 Hello Broadway $63,860
36 Nowhere to Hide $55,500
37 Feisty Suances $55,000
38 Proceed Bee $47,000
39 Massone $40,000 BLUE GRASS
39 Sumo $40,000
41 Stately Character $37,500
42 Bear's Rocket $36,000 BLUE GRASS
43 Justdontcallmejeri $30,000 BLUE GRASS
43 Poltergeist $30,000 AK DERBY
45 Buzzin and Dreamin $25,000
46 Jeranimo $24,000
46 Rendezvous $24,000
48 Parade Clown $23,500
49 Bee Cee Cee $20,000
49 Patena $20,000
51 Captain Cherokee $15,000 AK DERBY
52 Flat Out $12,500 AK DERBY
52 Masala $12,500
54 He's Really Big $12,000
55 Kelly Leak $9,000
XX Danger to Society AK DERBY

TheSpyder 03-25-2009 07:25 AM

The Derby Trail just got a whole lot more interesting!

I guess the next 2 weeks will the story, except for the final positions, and injuries.

I assume the * means not nominated?

Bigsmc 03-25-2009 08:24 AM

What is stunning is the amount of Graded money that is out there these days for 3yr olds.

Travis Stone 03-25-2009 09:55 AM

Do UAE Derby earnings count?

Scav 03-25-2009 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis Stone
Do UAE Derby earnings count?

Yes, that is why Jose Adan when he hits the board in the UAE Derby is coming for the Derby

Sightseek 03-25-2009 10:40 AM

Doesn't Hello Broadway have graded earnings?

Kasept 03-25-2009 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
Doesn't Hello Broadway have graded earnings?

Yes.. Good point. Has a total of $63,000++.

Sightseek 03-25-2009 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Yes.. Good point. Hutchinson. $30,000? Plus a smidge more from the Tampa tidbit...

Nashua too.

Kasept 03-25-2009 10:57 AM

Another version...

1 Square Eddie $774,981 Kinghaven
Farms (KY) Doug O'Neill J. Paul Reddam 2d, San Rafael Stakes
2 Pioneerof the Nile $743,250 Zayat Stables
LLC (ON) Bob Baffert Zayat Stables LLC Won San Felipe Stakes
3 Friesan Fire $570,465 Grapestock LLC (KY) J. Larry Jones Vinery Stables and Fox Hill Farm Won Louisiana Derby
4 Rachel Alexandra $413,001 Dolphus Morrison (KY) Hal Wiggins L and M Partners LLC (Dolphus Morrison & Michael Lauffer) Won Fair Grounds Oaks
5 Terrain $410,830 Adele Dilschneider (KY) Al Stall, Jr. Adele Dilschneider 3d, Lousiana Derby
6 Old Fashioned $330,000 Rod and Lorraine Rodriguez (KY) J. Larry Jones Fox Hill Farms 2d, Rebel Stakes
7 I Want Revenge $324,000 David J. Lanzman Racing, Inc. (KY) Jeff Mullins David J. Lanzman Racing Stable, Inc. Won Gotham Stakes
8 Hold Me Back $288,000 Haras Santa Maria de Araras & WinStar Farm (KY) Bill Mott WinStar Farm Won Lane's End Stakes
9 Desert Party $241,667 David Smith & Steven Sinatra (KY) Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin Won UAE 2000 Guineas
10 West Side Bernie $235,160 Polo Green Stable & Andrew Savas (KY) Kelly Breen George and Lori Hall 6th, Lane's End Stakes
11 Chocolate Candy $220,000 Sid Craig & Jenny Craig (KY) Jerry Hollendorfer Craig Family Trust Won El Camino Real Derby
12 Bittel Road $211,000 John Iracane (KY) Todd Pletcher James T. Scatuorchio and John Iracane 10th, Lane's End Stakes
13 Musket Man $200,000 Jim E. Nelson & Sergio De Sousa (KY) Derek Ryan Eric Fein & Vic Carlson Won Tampa Bay Derby
14 Capt. Candyman Can $186,945 Lantern Hill Farm LLC, Joseph Rauch & David Zell (KY) Ian Wilkes Joseph Rauch & David Zell 4th, Fountain of Youth Stakes
15 The Pamplemousse $180,000 Clarkland Farm (KY) Julio Canani Bienstock and Winner Stable (Ann Winner & Carol Bienstock), Alex Solis II, J. Strauss, T. Lenner, & Davenport Won Sham Stakes
15 Win Willy $180,000 Overbrook Farm (KY) Mac Robertson Jer-Mar Stable LLC Won Rebel Stakes
17 Papa Clem $160,000 Bo Hirsch (KY) Gary Stute Bo Hirsch 2d, Louisiana Derby
18 Charitable Man $150,000 Edward P. Evans (VA) Kiaran McLaughlin Mr. and Mrs. W. K. Warren, Jr. Won Belmont Futurity
18 Quality Road $150,000 Edward P. Evans (VA) Jimmy Jerkens Edward P. Evans Won Fountain of Youth Stakes

20 Mine That Bird $138,705 Lamantia Blackburn & Needham/Betz Thoroughbreds (KY) Bennie L. Woolley, Jr. Double Eagle Ranch and Bueno Suerte Equine 2d, Borderland Derby

21 Beethoven $132,494 Deerbrook Racing, Inc. (KY) John Ward John Oxley 3d, Fountain of Youth
22 General Quarters $130,645 Mr. & Mrs. R. David Randal (KY) Thomas McCarthy Thomas McCarthy 5th, Tampa Bay Derby
23 Break Water Edison $112,680 Caldara Farm (KY) John Kimmel Eli Gindi DNF, Fountain of Youth Stakes
24 Flying Private $94,000 John & Martha Jane Mulholland (KY) D. Wayne Lukas Robert C. Baker and William L. Mack 2d, Lane's End Stakes
25 Cribnote $90,000 Red Diamond Stable LLC (NY) Rick Violette, Jr. Red Diamond Stable 3d, Champagne Stakes
25 El Crespo $90,000 G. Watts Humphrey Jr. (KY) Rusty Arnold G. Watts Humphrey Jr. Won Palm Beach Stakes
25 Flying Pegasus $90,000 James C. Spence (KY) Ralph Nicks James C. Spence 6th, Lousiana Derby
28 Giant Oak $74,256 Virginia H. Tarra Trust (IL) Chris Block Virginia H. Tarra Trust 4th, Louisiana Derby
29 Join in the Dance $67,500 The Answer LLC (KY) Todd Pletcher Jake Ballis, R. Lewis, R. Swinbank, R. Ballis & William Swinbank 2d, Tampa Bay Derby
30 Hello Broadway $63,860 Elizabeth Valando (KY) Barclay Tagg Elizabeth Valando 7th, Tampa Bay Derby
31 Silver City $59,000 Peter E. Blum (KY) Bret Calhoun Clarence Scharbauer, Jr. 5th, Rebel Stakes
32 Theregoesjojo $58,063 Bob K. Sliger (KY) Ken McPeek Samotowka Stables, LLC, Delfiner Partners, George Krall & Magdalena Racing 2d, Fountain of Youth Stakes
33 Imperial Council $50,000 G. Watts Humphrey Jr. (KY) Shug McGaughey Sequoia Racing 2d, Gotham Stakes
33 Regal Ransom $50,000 Diamond A Racing Corporation (KY) Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin 2d, UAE 2000 Guineas
35 Proceed Bee $47,000 Hunter Valley Farm & H & W T'breds & Mary Wade (KY) Terry Gestes William Stirtiz 3d, Lane's End Stakes
36 Feisty Suances $40,000 Red Baron's Farm (CA) Darrell Vienna Red Baron's Barn LLC 2d, San Felipe Stakes
36 Massone $40,000 Lockhart Spears Estate & Arthur Hancock (KY) Ron McAnally Frankfurt Stable 2d, El Camino Real Derby
36 Sumo $40,000 Arthur B. Hancock III (KY) H. Graham Motion Arthur B. Hancock III 9th, Tampa Bay Derby
39 Take the Points $40,000 Phoenix Farm (KY) Todd Pletcher Starlight Partners 2d, Sham Stakes
40 Jose Adan $37,900 Wayne & Renee Catalano Racing Stable, Ltd. (IL) Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin 2d, Al Bastakiya
41 Bear's Rocket $36,000 White Fox Farm (KY) Reade Baker Bear Stables (Danny Dion) 6th, Tampa Bay Derby
42 Justdontcallmejeri $30,000 Mike Mitchell Racing Stables & Bob Hutton (CA) Doug O'Neill Russell J. Sarno 3d, Tampa Bay Derby
42 Poltergeist $30,000 Robert Waltrip Jr. (TX) Donnie K Von Hemel Kindred Thoroughbreds LLC 3d, Rebel Stakes
44 Nowhere to Hide $27,000 Robert Raphaelson (KY) Nick Zito My Meadowview Farm 4th, Tampa Bay Derby
45 Buzzin and Dreamin $25,000 Robert A, Murphy & Dr. Sandy L. Price-Murphy (FL) D. Wayne Lukas West Point Thoroughbreds, Lewis Lakin & Lukas Enterprises Inc. 2d, Allowance race
45 Mr. Fantasy $25,000 Corra Cavalo Thoroughbreds (NY) Kiaran McLaughlin West Point Thoroughbreds, Donald Brooks, & Nick Cammarano 3d, Gotham Stakes
47 Jeranimo $24,000 Brylynn Farm Inc. (FL) Michael Pender B. J. Wright 3d, San Felipe Stakes
47 Mr. Hot Stuff $24,000 WinStar Farm LLC (KY) Eion Harty WinStar Farm LLC 3d, Sham Stakes
47 Rendezvous $24,000 Lee Christian, Bill Nicholls & Winstar Farm (KY) Jerry Hollendorfer Team Green, LLC or Hollendorfer or Todaro 3d, El Camino Real Derby
50 Parade Clown $23,500 Mira Ball (KY) K. K. Ball Donamire Farm 4th, Lane's End Stakes
51 Bee Cee Cee $20,000 Marion G. Montanari (FL) Edward Plesa, Jr. J. Robert Harris, Jr. 6th, Fountain of Youth Stakes
51 Patena $20,000 Hill 'N' Dale Farm & N.E.T.P. (KY) Rick Dutrow, Jr. IEAH Stables, John and Glen Sikura & Domenic Dilalla 8th, Louisiana Derby
53 Soul Warrior $18,000 Bob Austin, Copperhead Stable & David Hanley (KY) Steve Asmussen Zayat Stables, LLC 5th, Lousiana Derby
54 Captain Cherokee $15,000 Tom Evans, Macon Wilmil Equines & Marjac Farms (KY) Steve Asmussen Stonestreet Stables LLC 4th, Rebel Stakes
55 Flat Out $12,500 Nikolaus Bock (FL) Charles Dickey Oxbow Racing LLC 4th, Southwest Stakes
55 Masala $12,500 Peachtree Stable Todd Pletcher Peachtree Stable 4th, Gotham Stakes
57 He's Really Big $12,000 James Eaton & Julie Eaton (CA) Rafael Becerra J. J. Eaton Racing 4th, San Felipe Stakes
58 Kelly Leak $9,000 Luis de Hechavarria (FL) Mike Machowsky Blahut Racing, et al Won SA Allw. (T)

Scav 03-25-2009 11:25 AM

The first one didn't have Giant Oak on there, if he runs well in the Blue Grass or Illinois Derby, he will go to the Kentucky Derby. Next three weeks should be awful interesting

Kasept 03-25-2009 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Next three weeks should be awful interesting

Or simply awful..

ateamstupid 03-25-2009 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Or simply awful..

:rolleyes:

tiznowthegreat 03-25-2009 12:09 PM

Not familiar with Crowded House. What is the story on this one? Is he being pointed to the Derby/TC?

SniperSB23 03-26-2009 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
Question: "If Dunkirk runs second this weekend, then he will have enough earnings to qualify for the Derby" has been asserted as fact by many media types and others.

Is this certainly true? Are there horses ahead of him who could add to their earnings and have more than $150,000? How many of the current top 20 earners are definitely not running in the Derby?

A lot will depend on what happens in Dubai as well. If North American 3yos finish in the top three spots of the UAE Derby and all decide to come it will really change things especially with one spot guaranteed for that goat from Europe.

ateamstupid 03-26-2009 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
Question: "If Dunkirk runs second this weekend, then he will have enough earnings to qualify for the Derby" has been asserted as fact by many media types and others.

Is this certainly true? Are there horses ahead of him who could add to their earnings and have more than $150,000? How many of the current top 20 earners are definitely not running in the Derby?

It's almost certainly not true.

brockguy 03-26-2009 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tiznowthegreat
Not familiar with Crowded House. What is the story on this one? Is he being pointed to the Derby/TC?

no - favourite for the Derby here.

Dunbar 03-27-2009 09:15 AM

Big Drama's trainer did not rule out the Derby if Big Drama runs well in the Swale. He's got the earnings.

DRF:
"Fawkes stated earlier this month that Big Drama was off the Kentucky Derby trail. Could a big effort in the Swale alter those plans, especially since Big Drama already has enough graded earnings to make the field?

"I don't even want to think about the Derby right now," said Fawkes. "I'm just happy to have him back running again and in this race on Saturday."


--Dunbar

Kasept 03-27-2009 12:09 PM

BRISNET LIST OF GRADED EARNINGS

RANK HORSE EARNINGS
1. Square Eddie $774,981
2. Pioneerof the Nile 743,250
3. Friesan Fire 570,465
4. Vineyard Haven 417,500
5. Terrain 410,830
6. Old Fashioned 330,000
7. I Want Revenge 324,000
8. Hold Me Back 288,000
9. Desert Party 241,667
10. West Side Bernie 235,160
11. Chocolate Candy 220,000
12. Bittel Road 211,000
13. Musket Man* 200,000
14. Crowded House (GB) 195,020
15. The Pamplemousse 180,000
16. Win Willy* 180,000
17. Papa Clem 160,000
18. Charitable Man 150,000
19. Quality Road* 150,000
20. Mine That Bird 138,705
21. Beethoven 132,494
22. General Quarters 130,645
23. Munnings 105,000
24. Flying Private 94,000
25. Cribnote 90,000
26. Flying Pegasus 90,000
27. Join the Dance 67,500
28. Theregoesjojo 58,063
29. Regal Ransom 50,000
30. Imperial Council 50,000
31. Proceed Bee* 47,000
32. Atomic Rain 40,000
33. Take the Points 40,000
34. Feisty Suances 40,000
35. Jose Adan 37,900
36. Bear's Rocket 36,000
37. Poltergeist 30,000
38. Justdontcallmejeri* 30,000
39. Uno Mas 28,000
40. Gone Astray 27,500
41. Nowhere to Hide 27,000
42. Mr. Fantasy 25,000
43. Rendezvous 24,000
44. Jeranimo 24,000
45. Parade Clown 23,500
46. Patena 20,000
47. Soul Warrior 18,000
48. Ventana 16,600
49. Captain Cherokee 15,000
50. Brave Victory 14,833

*not nominated to Triple Crown

Updated through 3/24/09

tiznowthegreat 03-27-2009 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cardus
Question: "If Dunkirk runs second this weekend, then he will have enough earnings to qualify for the Derby" has been asserted as fact by many media types and others.

Is this certainly true? Are there horses ahead of him who could add to their earnings and have more than $150,000? How many of the current top 20 earners are definitely not running in the Derby?

Last year Denis of Cork was the last horse in at I believe 165K

Scav 03-28-2009 09:10 PM

What Dunkirk is really up against
 
1) POTN
2) Freisan Fire
3) Terrain
4) Old Fashioned
5) I Want Revenge
6) Hold Me Back
7) Desert Party
8) The Pamplemousse
9) Quality Road
10) Regal Ransom
11) Hilarious Euro

12) West Side Bernie
13) Chocolate Candy
14) Musket Man
15) Win Willy
16) Papa Chem
17) Dunkirk
18) Imperial Council
19) Giant Oak

Who am I really missing that is even considering the Derby? He is fine, and will get into the Derby

NTamm1215 03-28-2009 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
1) POTN
2) Freisan Fire
3) Terrain
4) Old Fashioned
5) I Want Revenge
6) Hold Me Back
7) Desert Party
8) The Pamplemousse
9) Quality Road
10) Regal Ransom
11) Hilarious Euro

12) West Side Bernie
13) Chocolate Candy
14) Musket Man
15) Win Willy
16) Papa Chem
17) Dunkirk
18) Regal Ransom
19) Imperial Council
20) Giant Oak

Who am I really missing that is even considering the Derby? He is fine, and will get into the Derby

Are you forgetting that there are two 750k races next week along with a 500k? Then two huge ones the week after? There could be another ten horses that are on the cusp that get a ton of graded earnings between now and then. 150k was not enough last year or many of the prior years.

NT

Linny 03-28-2009 09:16 PM

Jojo, Take the Points who is heading to the Blue Grass, Imperial Council who is heading to the Wood. Even 2nd in those races is worth $150k. Both the latter 2 have graded earnings already. They most likely will accrue more in the next 2 weeks. I'm not sure where Jojo is after today's 3rd.

philcski 03-28-2009 09:18 PM

RANK HORSE EARNINGS Chances of going
1. Square Eddie $774,981 50/50
2. Pioneerof the Nile 743,250 100%
3. Friesan Fire 570,465 100%
4. Vineyard Haven 417,500 0%
5. Terrain 410,830 50/50
6. Old Fashioned 330,000 100%
7. I Want Revenge 324,000 100%
8. Hold Me Back 288,000 100%
9. Desert Party 241,667 90%
10. West Side Bernie 235,160 50/50
11. Chocolate Candy 220,000 80%
12. Bittel Road 211,000 30%
13. Musket Man* 200,000 80%
14. Crowded House (GB) 195,020 ?
15. The Pamplemousse 180,000 90%
16. Win Willy* 180,000 90%
17. Papa Clem 160,000 50/50
18. Charitable Man 150,000 20%
19. Quality Road* 150,000 100%
20. Mine That Bird 138,705 will be ahead, no more preps
21. Beethoven 132,494 injured, doubtful
22. General Quarters 130,645 will be ahead, one more prep?
23. Munnings 105,000 ?? prob should be off this list
24. Flying Private 94,000 Ark Derby?
25. Cribnote 90,000 not pointing to derby
26. Flying Pegasus 90,000 Ark Derby?
27. Join the Dance 67,500
28. Theregoesjojo 58,063 will be ahead, no more preps
29. Regal Ransom 50,000 * jumps to top of list, 80%?
30. Imperial Council 50,000 Wood Memorial
31. Proceed Bee* 47,000 Lexington?
32. Atomic Rain 40,000 ?
33. Take the Points 40,000 Wood Memorial
34. Feisty Suances 40,000
35. Jose Adan 37,900
36. Bear's Rocket 36,000
37. Poltergeist 30,000
38. Justdontcallmejeri* 30,000
39. Uno Mas 28,000
40. Gone Astray 27,500

Looking at this list, Dunkirk is in better shape than I had originally thought. He'll be 20th, with that goofball Kempton race taking a slot, so really 21st. He'd have to have ALL of those above him to go (very unlikely), and I only see 5 that can leapfrog him barring some bizzare horses winning next week and the week after.

I'm still not a huge fan but he showed me a lot today.

Scav 03-28-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Are you forgetting that there are two 750k races next week along with a 500k? Then two huge ones the week after? There could be another ten horses that are on the cusp that get a ton of graded earnings between now and then. 150k was not enough last year or many of the prior years.

NT

I am going by the possiblities of horses like I Want Revenge, The Pamplemousse, and Old Fashioned running top two, if that doesn't happen sure, Dunkirk is in trouble, but if it does, those spots are already solidified

philcski 03-28-2009 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
1) POTN
2) Freisan Fire
3) Terrain
4) Old Fashioned
5) I Want Revenge
6) Hold Me Back
7) Desert Party
8) The Pamplemousse
9) Quality Road
10) Regal Ransom
11) Hilarious Euro

12) West Side Bernie
13) Chocolate Candy
14) Musket Man
15) Win Willy
16) Papa Chem
17) Dunkirk
18) Regal Ransom
19) Imperial Council
20) Giant Oak

Who am I really missing that is even considering the Derby? He is fine, and will get into the Derby

damn we are all thinking about this at the same time...
You have Regal Ransom on there twice. If you're ranking by graded earnings, he's now #1.

Papa Chem = Freudian slip?

philcski 03-28-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linny
Jojo, Take the Points who is heading to the Blue Grass, Imperial Council who is heading to the Wood. Even 2nd in those races is worth $150k. Both the latter 2 have graded earnings already. They most likely will accrue more in the next 2 weeks. I'm not sure where Jojo is after today's 3rd.

$75k + $58k = $133k by my calculations.

Scav 03-28-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
damn we are all thinking about this at the same time...
You have Regal Ransom on there twice. If you're ranking by graded earnings, he's now #1.

Papa Chem = Freudian slip?

Been drinking...

Not ranked by Graded Earnings, just thinking about reality and who is really going to go.

justindew 03-28-2009 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
1) POTN
2) Freisan Fire
3) Terrain
4) Old Fashioned
5) I Want Revenge
6) Hold Me Back
7) Desert Party
8) The Pamplemousse
9) Quality Road
10) Regal Ransom
11) Hilarious Euro

12) West Side Bernie
13) Chocolate Candy
14) Musket Man
15) Win Willy
16) Papa Chem
17) Dunkirk
18) Imperial Council
19) Giant Oak

Who am I really missing that is even considering the Derby? He is fine, and will get into the Derby

Square Eddie
Big Drama
A horse or two from the Blue Grass.
A horse from the Illinois Derby.
The Lexington winner.

Scav 03-28-2009 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Square Eddie
Big Drama
A horse or two from the Blue Grass.
A horse from the Illinois Derby.
The Lexington winner.

I'll agree with the bottom three, but the top two, come on....Do you really think that either will be going to the Derby, one was all over the track and isn't a horse that stays healthy, and the other hasn't raced since January, and needs everything to go perfect for him to be even considered.

Sightseek 03-28-2009 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I'll agree with the bottom three, but the top two, come on....Do you really think that either will be going to the Derby, one was all over the track and isn't a horse that stays healthy, and the other hasn't raced since January, and needs everything to go perfect for him to be even considered.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if Reddam & O'Neil put Square Eddie in the Derby.

Scav 03-28-2009 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Reddam & O'Neil put Square Eddie in the Derby.

I would be, but hell, do it, allows me to toss a horse with ease and he will get played...

justindew 03-28-2009 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I'll agree with the bottom three, but the top two, come on....Do you really think that either will be going to the Derby, one was all over the track and isn't a horse that stays healthy, and the other hasn't raced since January, and needs everything to go perfect for him to be even considered.

Square Eddie's people say he's on track for the Derby. And Big Drama's connections have not ruled it out. And even if they had, I still say he's going.

Danzig 03-28-2009 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Reddam & O'Neil put Square Eddie in the Derby.


i wouldn't either. not one bit.

pick4 03-28-2009 10:08 PM

The Lexington is a graded stakes race three weeks from today. If Dunkirk recovers well off this race he could run it that race.

If the connections want to get the earning needed to qualify for the Derby they have the chance. I'm sure Pletcher/ Tabor have a Plan B mapped out.

Danzig 03-28-2009 10:17 PM

this is what pletcher said pre-fla derby:

A second puts us where we're on the bubble. … If we're in that situation, my gut reaction is that this will be his last start before the Kentucky Derby. If for some reason he doesn't get in, we'll just have to live with that and go on to the next step, which could be the Preakness."


so, seemingly they won't be at churchill unless his current standing ends up high enough in a few weeks time-and i doubt the earnings he has accumulated will actually be enough after all the 'preps' are run. of course, we all know in this sport that things can change...but it doesn't appear that they have a plan to change their schedule and try to squeeze in another race before may.

ELA 03-28-2009 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pick4
The Lexington is a graded stakes race three weeks from today. If Dunkirk recovers well off this race he could run it that race.

If the connections want to get the earning needed to qualify for the Derby they have the chance. I'm sure Pletcher/ Tabor have a Plan B mapped out.

I think their Plan B was to run a rabbit, and regardless, win today.

Eric

ateamstupid 03-29-2009 01:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I'll agree with the bottom three, but the top two, come on....Do you really think that either will be going to the Derby, one was all over the track and isn't a horse that stays healthy, and the other hasn't raced since January, and needs everything to go perfect for him to be even considered.

Every year people run horses in the Derby because they can and not because they should. Why would this year be any different?

Antitrust32 03-29-2009 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Square Eddie's people say he's on track for the Derby. And Big Drama's connections have not ruled it out. And even if they had, I still say he's going.


i dont think Big Drama goes. Hes a really nice sprinter and his trainer understands that. If they go though... I really dont blame them... the Derby is the Derby.

It will be a great Derby i just really hope Dunkirk runs cause he's my early pick AS OF NOW!

Indian Charlie 03-29-2009 04:03 AM

Maybe Tabor and company will buy some of the less valuable horses ahead of Dunkirk on the earnings list and then simply not run them.


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