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A 7-9 acc Miami Fl goes on the road and wins in providence against a team that went 10-8 in the big east

now i guess we shouldn't count this one becasue providence probably didn't care about the game because they didn't get to the big dance but food for thought for later on in the tourney

Big East has sucked pretty bad in these other tournaments. But the gap between 7 and 8 in the Big East was a chasm so not sure how much it means. Miami can beat anyone when McClinton (Siena transfer) is on and lose to anyone when he's off.

Particularly in the early rounds, NIT games seem to mean precisely nothing.

maybe so , my question is is this result a total throwout or not?

there's not much of a gap between wvu and provd

I strongly disagree. West Virginia is an 11 point favorite on a neutral court.

impossible again and wrong again

go and look at last week's lines

louisville in msg was at most -10 over provd and some places had -9

are we to believe then that wvu is a 1 pt favorite over 'ville?

In conference West Virginia played Pitt, Louisville, and South Florida twice. Providence played Villanova, Cincinnati, and Rutgers. Providence also didn't have to go to Pitt, Syracuse, or Marquette. Those are incredibly unbalanced conference schedules.

You don't think Providence's stock has taken a hit from an 18 point loss to Louisville and then a 12 point loss home against Miami?

and this makes them an 11 pt favorite over providence on a neutral court explain that one to me?

they lost at louisville in feb by 18 and came back and beat pitt by 8 at home, now if the games were diff last thurs at msg and wvu played 'ville and provd played pitt are we to believe that providence couldn't have beat pitt again ??

what does the crystal ball say about that one?

Yeah, when West Virginia and Louisville meet in the Elite 8 it will be a 1 or 2 point spread. They are very close. Louisville beat them by 3 and 6 this year, they beat Providence both times by 18. West Virginia beat Providence by 27 when they played.

Did you watch Providence - Pitt? They called Blair for everything. There are about 75 teams that could have beat Pitt with that officiating. On a neutral court Pitt would crush Providence.

There is very good reason that West Virginia is a 6 seed in the NCAAs and Providence is a first round exit in the NIT. West Virginia is a much better team.

that's not what you are saying soctt , you threw a number out there (11)

i pointed out the 'vill was 9 or 10 over provd on a neutral court

so based on your numbers west va is better than 'ville and if you set the line you would have wvu over louisville - explain this one to me

Louisville was a 9 or 10 point favorite. Since then Providence lost by 18 to them and lost by 12 at home to Miami. If Louisville and Providence met again on a neutral court now the line would be a lot more than 9 or 10, probably 13ish.

ok here is 1 for you

louisville was favored by 7.5 over syracuse in the finals
west va as favored by 6.5 over syracuse in the semi's

now everyone knows that the overnite line betwwen west va and syr was 1 or 2 pts west va favored

there was a 6 ot game that had to get factored into the line for syr/wvu , the oddsmakers decide to move the line 4/5.5 points

again explain to me how west va could be a 1 or 2 pt underdog to 'ville

are we to believe that if wvu had beaten syr they would have been in a pickem game (1 pt either) way against the cards?

We played all three this year:

Best team is WVA then followed closely by Miami and then PC...check out the Pomeroy rankings I use when I compare teams:

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Louisville would be a 2 to 3 point favorite over West Virginia right now and would be a 14 point favorite if they played Providence now.

Just for the record, I went and checked the Sagarin predictor against the sportsbook.com lines for every tournament game and the only one off by more than 2 points was Illinois/Western Kentucky and that is solely due to Illinois being without their point guard.

I strongly disagree. I think West Virginia is really good and will crush Dayton tomorrow.

u can disagree that's fine

scott posted a thought on a louisville line against west va , i told him i thought he was wrong , if west va plays louisville in the elite 8 , you will see louisville favored by a minimum of 5 points , we can wager on that after the sweet 16 this 1 or 2 point difference between 'ville and west va is baloney you will never see that line in the elite 8

Seriously???

WV is the best 6 seed possibly in the history of the tournament, at least since KU in '88, and Providence is a mediocre scrappy team with a new coach who had an OK year. There isn't much of a gap... it's a CHASM.

listen this all started off based on last week

louisville was a 9/10 pt favorite over prov

scott said west va s/b an 11 pt fav over provd right now , fine that's his opinion

he is factoring in the miami game , which to some extent is a throwout because we don't know if they were trying or not as hard as possible

now this week

west va is a -9 pt fav over dayton , scott has west va as an 11 pt fav this week over prov if they played this week , so is it safe for me to assume that dayton is really better than providence now?

now my other example is from last week

louisville -7.5 ove syr

west va -6.5 over syr

based on those 2 lines from last week louisville was a 1 pt fav over west va

but

you are forgetting the o/n line that came out before syracuse played wvu had them as a 1.5/2 pt fav over syracuse

At worst it would be a pickem and I think Dayton would be favored by 1 or 2. Providence went 10-8 in the Big East which is misleading since they had such an easy schedule and got really lucky. They'd be solid underdogs to either Notre Dame or Georgetown and a pickem against Cincinnati and Seton Hall. They are really not a very good team and I wish I knew they were only +9 against Louisville as that was a gift. Dayton only being +9 today is a very nice line as well.

so is wvu a lock at -9 today against dayton?

Can't say a lock because they are so damn inconsistent and you know as well as I do that a meaningless three at the buzzer can be the difference between an 11 point win and an 8 point win. What I can say is WV should win by 11 which makes the line of 9 very good value and I'll be playing it.

need help now to cover this number let alone win the game

Huggins coaches some freaking gutless teams.

big east with the exception of u conn / cuse have looked very avg here

vill won but looked sluggish for 30 minutes

now west va 1 and done and pitt all out against etsu

Clemson looked like ass last night too. Let's see how BC, Wake and FSU look tonight before we go anointing any conferences. The Big XII looks the best out of all of them right now.

no question , the acc's gets a litmus test tonight , these are all 3 winnable games

i don't understand why bc is a dog joey , they s/b able to beat usc

Update: BC loses by 17 as 2.5-point dogs, Wake loses by 15 as 8-point favorites, FSU loses by 2 as 3-point favorites.

Could be that both conferences are overrated, though I think this is too small of a sample to make any determinations.

Could not happen to a nicer guy.
Team plays like the coach acts.
Completely oblivious to situations.
Intensity without composure = disaster

That Wake game was over by the 10:00 minute mark of the first half for all intents and purposes. As a St. John's and Big East fan, it's certainly a little bittersweet to see an ex-Rutgers coach with a former St. John's castoff as his best player absolutely demoralizing what used to be a pretty decent Wake team.

Wow, a whole thread devoted to West Virginia and Wake Forest. We did a hell of a job of jinxing both of them.

LOL. WVU losing effectively ended my bracket chances.

QUICK! someone start a Louisville thread!

Someone just convince Hasbrouck that the game is on MSG+ tomorrow instead of CBS. Dude is useless when they are on national TV. They should just start Jackson and sit his @ss on the bench.

I think the tourney so far has proved that the Big East is head and shoulders better than any other conference. And that the ACC isnt even as good as the Big 12. The Pac 10 is not very good also. But the ACC is so overrated its not even funny. UNC is the only real good team from there IMO.

Big East is proving themselves this year. I questioned them a bit heading in...but 5 teams in the Sweet 16 speaks for itself. Other than their 2 show ponies (NC and Duke) ACC not good this year. Woeful Big 10 even managed to put their 2 best teams into the sweet 16. SEC was horrendous this year and the tourney bore that out. Big 12 doing well.

Sweet 16 is pretty loaded...I would expect a bunch of great games.

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