4 possible sweet 16 acc/big east matchups
 

Pitt/ Florida St - rematch from earlier in the year , pitt won at FSU already, they should be able to handle the 'noles again

Louisville / Wake Forest - I smell trouble here for coach Pitino , i say the 'ville will be the 1st #1 seed out

'nova / duke - jay wright boys send the blue devils home

marquette / md - don't think we will see it

for the #1 overall team in the tournament ths is a terrible draw - coach would much rather have seen gonzaga , xavier , or washington in the sweet 16

is wake really only the 16th best team in the country?


duke a #2 and wake a number #4 - this doesn't add up folks , they tied for 2nd in the acc regular season - they get penalized 2 spots because they lost to MD in the 1st rd of the acc tourney ??? kansas lost to baylor for gosh sakes

louisville got the worst of it hear , this team will be on a mission as they were disrespected by the committee

how is wake not a #3 seed over any of the #3's , doesn't make any sense

current odds to win the tourney

wake is 22/1 as a #4 seed
here are the other #4's
'zaga 25/1
xavier 100/1
wash 50/1

here are the odds on the #3's to win
'cuse 20/1
mizzou 40/1
kansaa 50/1
villanova 30/1

so the 16th best team in the country is the 10th choice to cut down the nets

if seeding holds sweet 16 games

Pitt vs Xavier
u conn vs washington
'ville vs wake

Louisville wins the big east regular season and tourney and get the worst possible draw of all the big east #1's , how in the world does this make any sense

does anyone really belive if wash or xavier played in the acc conference they would have gone 11-5 and tied for 2nd?

coach has to be fuming he got the worst possible draw for the sweet 16 of any of the top 4 teams

it may have been procedural in the case of Wake I.E. swapped positions with say Syracuse/Villanova since the Big East had 3 #1's they couldn't have a #4 in those regions so one of them got swapped up and Wake down... they're the toughest team to figure for me, could be out in the first round or they could go to the Final Four.

to me they are live at 22/1 , they will be fresh , they will not be intimadeted at all by louisville , the score and louisville will have to shoot very well from the 3pt arch to beat them , barring a shock in the opeing 2 rds , this game stands out to me in the sweet 16

as for louisville they finish #1 in the country and get rewarded by having to play in the sweet 16 a team that tied for 2nd in the acc , talk about getting hosed compared to what pitt / u conn got

wake is the toughest matchup for coach against any team in the midwest or west (including u conn) and it's unfair they COULD draw them in the sweet 16

Wake was the second to last 3 seed going into the weekend. Syracuse went to their conference championship game and Missouri won their conference tournament. Both got bumped up to 3 seeds and Wake Forest and Washington fell to 4 seeds with poor performance in their conference tourneys. It's as simple as that. Plus 11-5 in the ACC isn't that impressive when you don't even have to play at North Carolina. Change at NC St to at Carolina and they are 10-6 in league, just like Florida State. Duke also finished #1 in the RPI to Wake who finished #16 in the RPI.

again explain to me how they tied with Duke for 2nd in the acc , beat the best team in the country at home , duke loses to Unc at home (i thorw the road game out in chapel hill) and tell me why they are a #4 and duke is a #2, whose to say if wake played at UNC they would have lost in cahpel hill??

duke and wake were 1-1 against each other and both games were
competitive so those wash

so wake loses a spot for losing in the 1st rd and , neither pitt or uconn can fall a spot to a #2 ?


kansas loses to baylor , wake loses to md and kansas gets a three?

and if louisville is #1 , how is wake #16 - explain that one to me?

Unbalanced schedule. Since they didn't play at North Carolina you might as well treat them as a 10-6 team instead of 11-5. Even if you want to treat them as 11-5 they still lost first round and finished 11-6. Duke meanwhile went 14-5.

Wake isn't #16, they were #14, Washington was #13. They got bumped down to playing Louisville cause the committee couldn't put them in the same bracket as North Carolina and Duke.

I have Washington in the Final Four this year, we'll see. Big fan of Lorenzo Romar

again they are #16 - lousiville is the best team in the country according to the polls and according to the comiittee they were the #1 overall seed

if you want to drop wake to a #4 seed , don't drop them to the #16 spot - that's where they are

how in the world are they not in the west facing the worst #1 seed in u conn in the sweet 16???

They aren't #16, they were #14. Here is what the fourth line looked like:

#13 Washington, #14 Wake Forest, #15 Gonzaga, #16 Xavier

#13 Washington gets matched up with #4 Connecticut. You then go to Wake Forest. Wake can not go take on #3 because it is North Carolina. Wake can not go take on #2 because Duke is already in that bracket. So Wake has to go take on #1 Louisville.

They could have put them in the same bracket as Duke since they wouldn't potentially meet until the Elite 8, but they decided not to. I thought the selection committee actually did an outstanding job this year of seeding the teams. The top 4 lines are very balanced. It really looks like they made the effort to get the best positions possible within the rules, and the commissioner said they did spend a lot of time on it this year.

How I had them seeded 1-16 after all the conf tournaments ended:
Louisville, UNC, Pitt, UConn
Memphis, Duke, Michigan State, Kansas
Oklahoma, Syracuse, Missouri, Wake Forest
Villanova, Washington, West Virginia, Florida State
(Gonzaga 17, Xavier 18)

How it looks like the committee seeded them on the S-curve:
Louisville, UNC, Pitt, UConn
Memphis, Duke, Oklahoma, Michigan State
Kansas, Syracuse, Villanova, Missouri
Washington, Xavier, Gonzaga, Wake Forest
(Florida State 18, West Virginia ??)

* Keeping in mind they probably had to move West Virginia out of the 4-5 game because they wouldn't be able to face 3 of the 4 #1's until the Elite 8, if at all possible. That's why they're probably the best #6 I've ever seen, and like you said Wake had to be shifted down two on the curve to fit as well.

they basically get the first 2 at home too (not too far from Seattle to Portland). I've got them, Memphis and Purdue as the only possibles from that bracket. Faded UConn due to their best scorer being out.

Actually they couldn't:

The first three teams selected from each conference must be placed in different regions. When a conference has more than three teams in the tournament, the committee tries to seed the teams so that they cannot meet until the regional final. Before 2006, this was an absolute rule. However, in the summer of 2005, the NCAA changed its rules to allow intraconference matchups as early as the second round of the tournament, assuming all measures to keep the teams apart until the regional finals have been exhausted.

Could get a Syracuse v. Clemson matchup in the Sweet 16 as well, so that's 5 possibles.

6...BC and WV...

On what basis? They scored 93 points at Marquette without him. They lost twice to Pitt and once to Syracuse in 6 OTs without him. They likely would have lost both those games with him.

you're absolutely correct. they moved a couple teams down to keep them out of the same 1/2 of a bracket as another team from their conference. I also think that happened to a couple more teams too. I actually saw WV play once this year and if they're on, they are more like a 3 seed, not a 6.

Lousiville got scrwed for being the #1 seed and u conn was rewarded for losing and dropping to the #4 seed

ask any coach in the country who would you rather play on a neutral court wash or wake -

look at the odds scott , they are telling you that i am correct

why is wake 9/2 to get out of their region and wash 10/1 , when both louisville and conn are 2/1 ??? the sharps are going to put their $$$ on better teams , this is professional $$$ that went onto wake it did not go onto wash


does anyone really believe Wash could win against UNC , even in Pullman????

Good catch. I didn't know that rule was absolute but it clearly states as such.

Marquette was missing James that game, so it's a toss in my eyes. Marq without James is mediocre at best. They'd probably have still lost to Pitt, but would have won the Syracuse game. Dyson would have made at least one of the shots at the end of an OT somewhere... if it even made it to OT. Without Dyson, if someone can get their big guy in foul trouble, then they've lost their best option for any balance at all.
Wouldn't shock me at all to see them lose to BYU, Wash or Purdue... let alone Memphis.

also Kansas is a #3 seed and they are 7/1 to win their region , yet they would play MSU(4/1 to win regino) in the sweet 16 and not the number 1 team in the county

coach (pitino) cannot like this draw

the futures are telling you that wake would be a pick vs msu and they would be favored over KU in an elite 8 match up and they are the #4 seed

How heavy are the books do you think on Wake to win the NC considering they went from a midpack ACC projection to #1? That might be factoring into the current futures.

I don't think anyone is doubting Wake is easily the best #4, because they are.

projected lines of #1 - #4

U Conn - 8 over Wash
Louisviille -2.5 over wake
Unc -12 over Zaga
Pitt -11 over xavier

let's see if these games happen and then let's see how close i get to the actual lines on game day

you can't tell me pitino doesn't feel he got screwed here

Ultimately they decided the top team from the P10 was better than the 3rd team from the ACC. Are they probably wrong on that decision? Yeah, but I can at least understand where they are coming from. It was circumstance that got them bumped from 14 to 16 though, not the committee's fault.

Part of the reason that the odds on Wake winning their bracket is so good is that Louisville is a very beatable one seed. They lost to Western Kentucky, Minnesota, UNLV, and Notre Dame while going 16-2 in the Big East with the benefit of not having to play at Connecticut or at Pittsburgh which could easily be the difference between 16-2 and 14-4. As a Siena fan I hated getting a 9 seed (10 or 11 would have been much better) but am at least thrilled that they got matched up with the only 1 seed they could possibly beat. Sure it's a 5% chance they beat Louisville but that is better than the 0% chance against Pitt/NC/Conn who would murder them inside.

i watched wake push UNC and Duke around they are a top 10 team and for them to be anything other than a #3 or better is a joke , rpi rankings and all

Louisville in my opinion will be the first #1 seed out , i watched it with my own eyes no team took it to carolina like the did this year , they beat duke aslo whe the blue devils were #1 , they can beat louisville

Wake should probably stop worrying about Louisville anyways. Cleveland State is no pushover (see the win in the Carrier Dome) and Arizona could be a tough second round game.

I don't think they are , i am just projecting , the coach has them focused on 1 game at a time i'm sure

i just think that they will play with a chip on the shoulder , they stunk agaisnt MD and are fresh and will be ready to go in my opinion

Wake really isn't that good. They play good defense, but they have trouble scoring and Teague is really inconsistent. There's no way in hell they'd beat Louisville. The Cards are basically the same team as Wake, but better. Better defense, better guards, better big men.

And I don't know why the hell everyone has Gonzaga as such an easy out for a top seed. This is a Top 5 team in the tournament talent-wise and they haven't been sniffed since the Memphis loss. In all of the "who have you beaten" obsession, people forget to look at how a team has played. Gonzaga is a machine right now with no serious deficiencies, and I took a flyer on them at that 25-1 price.

Will see Joey , i think 'ville is overhyped , like sniper pointed out they didn't have to play against the conn or pitt on the road or in the big east tourney, they caught syracuse in a 5th game in 3 nights situation in the finals so to me that game is a throwout

if they play like they did against villanova in the 1st half wake could be gone by halftime

remember this is a team that lost by over 30 to ND , not 5 not 10 not , 30 sometihng points , teams with heart don't lose like that

I agree about Gonzaga. I too took a stab with them at 30/1. Also took Memphis at 10/1. Good Luck to all that gamble during the tourney. KP

My first one since Ive been betting that I wont be wagering in. Still super excited.

VILL-A-NOVA!!!!

Good luck!

You do realize Wake lost by 27 to Miami right?

Nova is 35/1. Not bad.

the point of the thread joey was that we are to believe that wake is the #16 team in the country ?

if you were pitino who would you rather see in the sweet 16 of all the 4's ?


i posted some lines of the #1 vs #4 's - why don't tell me where my lines are wrong and then if they all get there we can check it out

Wake is a favorite over Kansas and a pickem against MSU in the elite 8

"zaga is a dog against cuse or OU in a regional final

Did Nova lose anybody off the Sweet 16 team last year?

Sagarin predictor which is usually not far from the lines says Gonzaga and Louisville would be a pickem on a neutral court. I'm sure that wouldn't be the case with the actual line but it is quite interesting nonetheless.

look at the $$$ on wake to win the region , i will say that 'zaga is the 2nd best 4 seed

go ahead and take a crack , i posted 4 lines , just interested in what you guys think the sweet 16 lines will be 1's vs 4's that's all

if the seeds hold...
Louisville -6 Wake
Pittsburgh -4 Xavier
Connecticut -8 Washington
UNC -7 Gonzaga