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AeWingnut 03-08-2009 10:59 AM

Nicanor improves dramatically
 
Zito's million dollar disappoinment wasn't in my bet but neither was Nicanor and it cost me the Superfecta

1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th

o-well didn't pay enough to cry about
just know how much everyone loves

Nicanor

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:rolleyes:

Riot 03-08-2009 01:06 PM

I'm tired of making fun of fans of the sport, fans that follow particular horses. They are entitled to be here, too.

mbahadur 03-08-2009 01:14 PM

Nicanor broke well and did look impressive in the stretch making up ground on the winner after being passed. It was a dramatic turnaround from his first race -- I imagine Jose Lezcano will now keep the mount.

He should be favored in his next race, which should generate even more publicity for this horse and for the sport in general.

ddthetide 03-08-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
Nicanor

so where'd he finish?:confused:

mbahadur 03-08-2009 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
so where'd he finish?:confused:

He finished second, well clear of the third place horse.

ddthetide 03-08-2009 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mbahadur
He finished second, well clear of the third place horse.

great for him! i hope he continues to improve.

the_fat_man 03-08-2009 01:20 PM

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Nicanor finished 2nd


weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


gonna be a good year:rolleyes:

Merlinsky 03-08-2009 01:57 PM

The chart made me happy but thanks for the bit about how he finished after being passed. I think down the road he'll maybe not live up to Barbaro (really even Barbaro himself has been surpassed by the legend of "Barbaro" and I say this as a big fan) but certainly the promise of a Dynaformer son with a dam as lovely as La Ville Rouge. There's blacktype 'in them thar hills.' I'm sure Matz and the Jacksons are proud of him.

AeWingnut 03-08-2009 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I'm tired of making fun of fans of the sport, fans that follow particular horses. They are entitled to be here, too.

did you have him bet?

The Indomitable DrugS 03-08-2009 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I'm tired of making fun of fans of the sport, fans that follow particular horses. They are entitled to be here, too.

Don't make fun of them anymore if that's the case.

The Indomitable DrugS 03-08-2009 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mbahadur
He should be favored in his next race, which should generate even more publicity for this horse and for the sport in general.

Considering he was beaten a length in a race that went extremely fast - faster than an older male stake at the same distance - I will go out on a limb and say he will be favored next time.

A big huge favorite.

AeWingnut 03-08-2009 03:39 PM

My real point was that because I listened to the critics...

I didn't cash

Suffolk Shippers 03-08-2009 03:57 PM

Nicanor had a nice run, for sure. Set quick fractions and battled back in the stretch, little more distance will do him well. Wonder if Lezcano keeps the mount?

Merlinsky 03-08-2009 05:00 PM

Video and pictures are up on the Bloodhorse blog along with quotes from Matz and Jose Lezcano. http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/nican...nd-effort.aspx

They said it might take a few more races before they can know "what we've got here" which I assume means if he'll be able to move very far up the ranks or not. Doesn't mean he wouldn't win the next one, just that even if he did, it still wouldn't show you all that he's capable of. I assume that also means trying against winners and then stakes horses. I think he's quite promising and quite a nice looking lil guy. It's fun to watch them learn because it helps highlight the fact that these aren't just racing machines where you press a button.

For those that haven't heard, supposedly Prado was too sick to leave Florida on the plane so I doubt he'd have felt up to riding Nic if he couldn't even just lay there in a seat for a few hours. I hope he feels better soon. Maybe he got to see the race at least online.

Riot 03-08-2009 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
did you have him bet?

No.

VOL JACK 03-08-2009 07:23 PM

94 Beyer.

Rudeboyelvis 03-08-2009 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
94 Beyer.

Wow.

Will be interesting to see what they give Antitrust. He ran 2nd, 3/4th a length back of the winner San Valentino at the same condition, same distance, 3 races after Nicanor's performance.

San Valentino got home in a fifth slower than did Custom for Carlos; 1:23.46 vs. CoC 1:23.25

Not saying that 94 for Nic's effort isn't right, but it certainly seems high for a place effort in a msw race

Antitrust32 03-08-2009 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Wow.

Will be interesting to see what they give Antitrust. He ran 2nd, 3/4th a length back of the winner San Valentino at the same condition, same distance, 3 races after Nicanor's performance.

San Valentino got home in a fifth slower than did Custom for Carlos; 1:23.46 vs. CoC 1:23.25

Not saying that 94 for Nic's effort isn't right, but it certainly seems high for a place effort in a msw race


I didnt run anywhere this weekend, I swear.

hoovesupsideyourhead 03-08-2009 08:07 PM

crossfireing?

Bobby Fischer 03-08-2009 08:12 PM

I was never impressed by Nicanor and have had a doubtful, pessimistic attitude toward him being a stakes horse.

However I was very surprised and impressed from his run yesterday.
Here was a horse who is bred for 10 furlongs and he was running a fast extended sprint in only his second start. He actually looked good doing it.

It would be great to see him stretch out and maybe run a longer route over that tiring Keeneland track for his next start. I think his pedigree would then be to his advantage, while most of his rivals want no part of a route over a tiring surface. If the owners were a little crazy they might even play with the idea of the Blue Grass Stakes. Maiden or not, he is never going to get another chance to run for 750K against mostly dirt miler 3yos, on a synthetic-turf surface going 9 furlongs! lol ;)

VOL JACK 03-08-2009 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Wow.

Will be interesting to see what they give Antitrust. He ran 2nd, 3/4th a length back of the winner San Valentino at the same condition, same distance, 3 races after Nicanor's performance.

San Valentino got home in a fifth slower than did Custom for Carlos; 1:23.46 vs. CoC 1:23.25

Not saying that 94 for Nic's effort isn't right, but it certainly seems high for a place effort in a msw race

92.

pgardn 03-08-2009 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
I'm tired of making fun of fans of the sport, fans that follow particular horses. They are entitled to be here, too.

It is so uncool to actually like the animals.
Especially on a board where so many handicappers
make their 7 figure incomes handicapping.

:rolleyes:

Rudeboyelvis 03-08-2009 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
92.

Good to know - thnx Jack

wac 03-08-2009 09:51 PM

I could be way off...
 
but when i watched Nic's first race he seemed to get up to a pretty good speed pretty quickly but lost all chance at the jump. i was looking forward to betting him yesterday but was in Alabama and wasn't about to ask my deeply southern Baptist future in laws if they minded if i headed to the otb at the bham race track. Good to see him run good was surprised he went off at 8-1 doesnt matz do ok with 2nd timers?i agree with boby fisher about maybe taking a wild shot at Keen. but i also wonder about a trip to the turf. Would love to see him at Keenland may even go over and check him out. Course his odds will be awful but would still like to see him.

AeWingnut 03-09-2009 05:53 AM

I take it the match race is off
 
I went to the OTB to see some friends. The guy that announces that they are going to give changes at this or that track made a crack about Nicanor purley being bet on emotion - implying he had no shot. Then went on to rave about Zito's million dollar dud.

I've never heard a kind word about Nicanor. I tossed him and he ran great.

SuffolkGirl 03-09-2009 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
I went to the OTB to see some friends. The guy that announces that they are going to give changes at this or that track made a crack about Nicanor purley being bet on emotion - implying he had no shot. Then went on to rave about Zito's million dollar dud.

I've never heard a kind word about Nicanor. I tossed him and he ran great.

I bet him based on Steve Haskin's nice words about him on Steve's show. I think he mentioned him Wednesday or Thursday - I was all set to stay away and not get caught up in the emotional betting but Haskin changed my mind. I was suprised to catch the decent price. Big Top not getting up there and ruined my superfecta, though. Oh well, as usual I get 3 out of 4.

AeWingnut 03-09-2009 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SuffolkGirl
I bet him based on Steve Haskin's nice words about him on Steve's show. I think he mentioned him Wednesday or Thursday - I was all set to stay away and not get caught up in the emotional betting but Haskin changed my mind. I was suprised to catch the decent price. Big Top not getting up there and ruined my superfecta, though. Oh well, as usual I get 3 out of 4.


eh, it didn't pay that much

glad everyone doesn't hate

Riot 03-09-2009 12:15 PM

Nicanor was hurt in his first race, but has trained very well since.

I'm sure many of the bets on him were purely emotional, or fan souvenirs.

But when the major news stations follow a fan-fav racehorse and his squeeky-clean, nice, popular Olympic-medal-winning trainer, that's good news in my eyes for the sport.

Much better than coverage of Dutrow declaring Big Brown off steroids.

mbahadur 03-28-2009 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Considering he was beaten a length in a race that went extremely fast - faster than an older male stake at the same distance - I will go out on a limb and say he will be favored next time.

A big huge favorite.


Right on -- he is 2/5 with 9 minutes to post.

TheSpyder 03-28-2009 02:20 PM

Why is Gulfstream off TwinSpires
 
Damn, what is going on??? Anyone? HELP

Cannon Shell 03-28-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
Damn, what is going on??? Anyone? HELP

wanted to keep you from blowing money on nicanor?

TheSpyder 03-28-2009 02:26 PM

No, I was going to blow money on Sol A Pino in the next race. Still going to bet but betting blind
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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
wanted to keep you from blowing money on nicanor?


Bobby Fischer 03-28-2009 04:01 PM

Blue Grass next ??

Suffolk Shippers 03-29-2009 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Blue Grass next ??

Doesn't seem like Matz's style. Maybe look for a spot in the next few weeks and maybe take a run at the Preakness?

Kasept 03-29-2009 06:37 AM

Nicanor ran very well again. Spoke to Matz later in the day and he gave the impression that the colt is either a little dim or needs more schooling and experience. Lezcano told him that Nicanor was looking around at everything and left and right at the horses next to him in the gate before the break. And when engaging Glitterman's Cartel, Lezcano said he kind of refused to try and go by. I was prepared to dislike Nicanor, but I have to admit I'm doing a 180 and find him interesting and fun to watch. He'll win some races.

golfer 03-29-2009 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Nicanor ran very well again. Spoke to Matz later in the day and he gave the impression that the colt is either a little dim or needs more schooling and experience. Lezcano told him that Nicanor was looking around at everything and left and right at the horses next to him in the gate before the break. And when engaging Glitterman's Cartel, Lezcano said he kind of refused to try and go by. I was prepared to dislike Nicanor, but I have to admit I'm doing a 180 and find him interesting and fun to watch. He'll win some races.

Interesting and fun to watch perhaps, but no so much so having him anchoring the final leg of my live pick 3 yesterday:mad:

I noticed his head bouncing around just as the gate opened.

King Glorious 03-29-2009 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Nicanor ran very well again. Spoke to Matz later in the day and he gave the impression that the colt is either a little dim or needs more schooling and experience. Lezcano told him that Nicanor was looking around at everything and left and right at the horses next to him in the gate before the break. And when engaging Glitterman's Cartel, Lezcano said he kind of refused to try and go by. I was prepared to dislike Nicanor, but I have to admit I'm doing a 180 and find him interesting and fun to watch. He'll win some races.

How bout he win A race.


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