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the_fat_man 02-25-2009 05:12 PM

Typical Rosario Finish
 
I realize there was thread about this PUNK recently but having just watched today's 5th at SA, I can't help starting another one.

Can this MOFO ever finish?

Is there ever a time when he's going to be able to KEEP A HORSE STRAIGHT IN THE LANE?

Dixieland Pop WINS with a jock that is able to KEEP HER STRAIGHT. Rosario is the Channing Hill of the west. His horses ALWAYS seem to be swerving in and out in the lane. He can't outfinish anyone.

You bust a horse RIGHTY upon immediately entering the stretch and it's going to DUCK IN. Takes only a few times of seeing this on replays to GET IT. Why, then, do jocks like Rosario, who actually EXPERIENCE IT, not get it?

Get the douche a gym membership. Pump some ****in iron. It sucks riding like a bitch.

TitanSooner 02-25-2009 06:11 PM

he must be reading DerbyTrail between races.

the_fat_man 02-25-2009 06:44 PM

And Kayla Stra runs him down in the 8th.

Way to go, BUTCH, can't hold on, with an open length lead, against a woman.



And she looked good doing it.

TitanSooner 02-25-2009 06:49 PM

spoke too soon :D

Danzig 02-25-2009 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
And Kayla Stra runs him down in the 8th.

Way to go, BUTCH, can't hold on, with an open length lead, against a woman.



And she looked good doing it.

:rolleyes:

CSC 02-25-2009 07:13 PM

A peculiar ride in the 7th, I'm only going to mention it once here but there's a bet back in this one if anyone noticed.

the_fat_man 02-25-2009 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
A peculiar ride in the 7th, I'm only going to mention it once here but there's a bet back in this one if anyone noticed.

I notice you were silent after EVERYBODY's betback, Ventana, punked out when he was actually asked to run on the outside.:rolleyes: Damn, couldn't he get that inside trip again?

CSC 02-25-2009 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I notice you were silent after EVERYBODY's betback, Ventana, punked out when he was actually asked to run on the outside.:rolleyes: Damn, couldn't he get that inside trip again?

You don't think he had a bad, no horrendous trip one race prior to the San Vicente? Maybe that race wasn't much considering Congor bay the winner finished second to last in the Vicente however considering Bejarano had him 5 wide on the backside and was pumping on him about 4 furlongs out, suggests to me he didn't run a yard that day.

the_fat_man 02-25-2009 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
You don't think he had a bad, no horrendous trip one race prior to the San Vicente? Maybe that race wasn't much considering Congor bay the winner finished second to last in the Vicente however considering Bejarano had him 5 wide on the backside and was pumping on him about 4 furlongs out, suggests to me he didn't run a yard that day.

It wasn't so much that he was checked but rather than he was also shuffled back that seemed to make his trip so bad. However, and this touches on a point that BTW and I disagree on, when he finally got clear inside late, he didn't do any running. Don't get me wrong, it was tempting to take him back next out, and I, luckily, was able to resist. The fact that he didn't run a lick when he actually had to run on the outside was an indication that he pretty much needs it all his own way.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-25-2009 09:34 PM

I think Chantal's secret riding idol might be Norberto Arroyo. That move she made in the stretch of the 6th today(where she pushed that horse half way across the track) is pretty typical of her reckless spoiled-child-like stuff. It's one thing to force yourself out, but she's not exactly professional in the way she acts out there. I have never seen a full episode of that jockey show, but I've seen some bits n' pieces. She says she's gunna usually get her way. Well, that's the way she rides, too (she's selfish n' doesn't seem very interested in others safety at all.) She didn't know if someone was beside Danny. WTF is she doing pushing a horse that far out of the way?

CSC 02-25-2009 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
It wasn't so much that he was checked but rather than he was also shuffled back that seemed to make his trip so bad. However, and this touches on a point that BTW and I disagree on, when he finally got clear inside late, he didn't do any running. Don't get me wrong, it was tempting to take him back next out, and I, luckily, was able to resist. The fact that he didn't run a lick when he actually had to run on the outside was an indication that he pretty much needs it all his own way.

I bet him back but I knew it was a bad price, in retrospect I probably wouldn't have if I didn't recall that race so vividly. I much prefer to play back horses with less obvious trouble, that's when I feel that you can gain an edge on the public, most handicappers I suspect don't bother looking at video being that it may be too time consuming, where I am guilty of that at times too. But if it isn't overly obvious and if legitimate excuses are not mentioned in the charts, then all the better for the person who puts in the work.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-25-2009 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC
I bet him back but I knew it was a bad price, in retrospect I probably wouldn't have if I didn't recall that race so vividly. I much prefer to play back horses with less obvious trouble, that's when I feel that you can gain an edge on the public, most handicappers I suspect don't bother looking at video being that it may be too time consuming, where I am guilty of that at times too. But if it isn't overly obvious and if legitimate excuses are not mentioned in the charts, then all the better for the person who puts in the work.

They have to want to win though. That's highly questionable with this individual. This is like some sort of fk-up Foster Child.

v j stauffer 02-26-2009 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I realize there was thread about this PUNK recently but having just watched today's 5th at SA, I can't help starting another one.

Can this MOFO ever finish?

Is there ever a time when he's going to be able to KEEP A HORSE STRAIGHT IN THE LANE?

Dixieland Pop WINS with a jock that is able to KEEP HER STRAIGHT. Rosario is the Channing Hill of the west. His horses ALWAYS seem to be swerving in and out in the lane. He can't outfinish anyone.

You bust a horse RIGHTY upon immediately entering the stretch and it's going to DUCK IN. Takes only a few times of seeing this on replays to GET IT. Why, then, do jocks like Rosario, who actually EXPERIENCE IT, not get it?

Get the douche a gym membership. Pump some ****in iron. It sucks riding like a bitch.

He's currently 5th in the nation in purse earnings. How bad can he be?

Send cash to me at Hollywood Park. I'll see that he gets it for a gym membership.

the_fat_man 02-26-2009 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I think Chantal's secret riding idol might be Norberto Arroyo. That move she made in the stretch of the 6th today(where she pushed that horse half way across the track) is pretty typical of her reckless spoiled-child-like stuff. It's one thing to force yourself out, but she's not exactly professional in the way she acts out there. I have never seen a full episode of that jockey show, but I've seen some bits n' pieces. She says she's gunna usually get her way. Well, that's the way she rides, too (she's selfish n' doesn't seem very interested in others safety at all.) She didn't know if someone was beside Danny. WTF is she doing pushing a horse that far out of the way?

I've been bitching about her for a while now. The stewards let her HERD at will.
When on the lead, she always INTENTIONALLY COMES OUT entering the stretch. What the stewards don't get is that, sooner or later, either she or some other jock will go down and someone will get killed.

And, what sucks is that she's actually a very good on-the-lead jock and doesn't need to resort to the PUNK ****.

the_fat_man 02-26-2009 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by v j stauffer
He's currently 5th in the nation in purse earnings. How bad can he be?

Send cash to me at Hollywood Park. I'll see that he gets it for a gym membership.

Your boy gets run down by Stra, Vic. And she looks better in the drive than he does. Check to see that he's still got nuts after that one.

It's not about winning on the CLEARLY best horse but not losing on a horse that should win. Somehow, this escapes the connections.

CSC 02-26-2009 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
They have to want to win though. That's highly questionable with this individual. This is like some sort of fk-up Foster Child.

You may be right, horseplayers are at times married to wrong horses. Call it infactuation, it works both ways, burned on one -payoff on another. I mentioned on a play as you go thread weeks ago I was interested in the Couton/Powell horse that won yesterday at 8-1 on the 6.5 downhill one race back I thought he was too passively ridden by Couton that day, but finished strong in that race, anyway I though he was worth a try again yesterday, this could have been a case of chasing a horse, but as we know sometimes it does work and sometimes it doesn't. Regardless I like how Couton finishes on horses if he could just get more position early on, who knows maybe he is finally learning that he is no longer riding in Europe.

Coach Pants 02-26-2009 09:24 AM

You better lock this thread, Steve. We wouldn't want heavy lunch to get upset and threaten to whoop my ass.

gales0678 02-26-2009 09:41 AM

didn't she cause a bad spill in ny once?

The Indomitable DrugS 02-26-2009 09:44 AM

Are you guys just trying to make Vic feel good about how he's doing such an awesome job of hustling book with such a mediocre rider?

I actually think Rosario rides the synthetic about as good as anyone I've seen out there. Probably better than anyone except Gomez and maybe Bejarano.

He clearly might not be as strong as an Espinoza or Gomez .. but he's going to be a top rider out there for a long time. He's seriously good product for an agent.

CSC 02-26-2009 11:08 AM

If you could combine the riding styles of J. Rosario and T. Baze into one person, you'd have one heckuva Jockey. Their strengths would offset their weaknesses and vice versa.

stonegossard 02-26-2009 12:51 PM

Fatman says Rosario sucks?


I have a whole new outlook.

Rosario is gonna lead the nation in earnings, wins, Grade I wins in 2009.


Congrats Vic....with an idiot like the fatman now on the bash Rosario bandwagon I am sure he will be one of the best.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-26-2009 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He's seriously good product for an agent.

That's true. If I was an agent, he'd be a reliable partner. Players have to put up money, and they can't just try again(for free) if a jock makes a poor decision etc. There's a definite difference. If players seem more demanding, it's because more is demanded of them than is demanded from jocks n' agents. That's why players are more upset at questionable rides than jocks, agents, or trainers. If we could go at it again (for free,) then we would probably be a lot less demanding, too....On good horses, the guy is a little less reliable than some. On lazy horses, the guy is the bomb.

the_fat_man 02-26-2009 04:40 PM

Nice ride on Advice.:rolleyes:
Way to keep him straight.

IN
and
OUT
IN
and
OUT
:eek:


wtf was that? and the sad part is that it's typical

Coach Pants 02-26-2009 04:40 PM

Another great finish in the 4th.

T-U-R-R-I-B-U-L-L

SCUDSBROTHER 02-26-2009 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Nice ride on Advice.:rolleyes:
Way to keep him straight.

IN
and
OUT
IN
and
OUT
:eek:


wtf was that? and the sad part is that it's typical

His chalk issues remain immense. No doubt, he's saving his best for the 2 bombs coming up (Compari, Ghetto.)

the_fat_man 02-26-2009 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
His chalk issues remain immense. No doubt, he's saving his best for the 2 bombs coming up (Compari, Ghetto.)

"chalk issues"?

He just can't ride, chalk or otherwise. He has difficulty putting a horse in a drive and controlling it at the same time. Gomez, or any reasonable finisher, wins with that horse.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-26-2009 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
"chalk issues"?

He just can't ride, chalk or otherwise. He has difficulty putting a horse in a drive and controlling it at the same time. Gomez, or any reasonable finisher, wins with that horse.

He's unreliable, but you really think the 5th highest paid jock in the country can't ride at all?

Coach Pants 02-26-2009 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
He's unreliable, but you really think the 5th highest paid jock in the country can't ride at all?

He won't finish fif. It's the off-season for the east coast jocks right now.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-26-2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
He won't finish fif. It's the off-season for the east coast jocks right now.

Yea, but Vic's doing a particularly good job at getting him live stuff.

Coach Pants 02-26-2009 05:13 PM

Outside of Gomez and Bejaranose there is no depth in the colony. 3-15 are a bunch of busters.

SCUDSBROTHER 02-26-2009 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Outside of Gomez and Bejaranose there is no depth in the colony. 3-15 are a bunch of busters.


LOL...BEAKMANIA

SCUDSBROTHER 02-26-2009 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
"chalk issues"?

He just can't ride, chalk or otherwise. He has difficulty putting a horse in a drive and controlling it at the same time. Gomez, or any reasonable finisher, wins with that horse.

See, can't even come 3rd with the obvious figure horse in the last race. Joel + chalk = unhappy couple

the_fat_man 02-26-2009 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
See, can't even come 3rd with the obvious figure horse in the last race. Joel + chalk = unhappy couple

I don't buy it. Southern CAL is just about the only place where stretchouts outfinish cutbacks. You see it all the time where sprinters stretching out outfinish routers cutting back in distance. I thought that the chalk and the 10, both cutting back from 7F, would have a small advantage here --- especially since both were on the pace types. As it turned out, the 10 chased and collapsed and the 9 wasn't any threat, while the winner stretched out from 5.5F. :zz:

Who would you want, for example, for the 1st time, in a 200 meter race: a 100 meter runner or a 400 meter runner?

SCUDSBROTHER 02-26-2009 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
As it turned out, the 10 chased and collapsed and the 9 wasn't any threat, while the winner stretched out from 5.5F. :zz:

9 was never in it. We agree on that.

Bobby Fischer 02-26-2009 07:35 PM

at santa anita if a horse takes to the surface, distance is less tiring than most other surfaces. They train on it longer distances too. Its like a mile is nothing for a turfy sprinter stretching out.

the_fat_man 02-26-2009 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
9 was never in it. We agree on that.

I can't buy into your overall theory. I watch too many race and witness too many ****UPS, both by jockeys and trainers, to believe that some of these idiots are actually capable of 'fixing' things. If you can't ride, in other words, you, more often than not, **** up rides, why would I believe that you're adept at 'selectively' ****ing them up?

SCUDSBROTHER 02-26-2009 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
I can't buy into your overall theory. I watch too many race and witness too many ****UPS, both by jockeys and trainers, to believe that some of these idiots are actually capable of 'fixing' things. If you can't ride, in other words, you, more often than not, **** up rides, why would I believe that you're adept at 'selectively' ****ing them up?

He's just better on price horses. That's just what I have noticed about that guy. These "situations" he has are usually on logical horses. Other than that, I don't have any problem with him. I've also noticed that he is very quick to shake off a bad day. You should eat, n' you'll feel better.


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