Will this be the biggest trainer move down in history?
 

http://www.drf.com/news/article/101766.html

Wolfson to Tagg for a juiced out of her mind filly sprinter?

It has to be. Of course Tagg has never trained a horse of any significance and never won any important races.

Oh, and please post the results of the drug test you must have because I missed the link to the positive result.

I certainly hope the filly can't run. If she succeeds with Tagg, what conspiracy will we focus on next?

Paul

Here is Frolic's Dream a couple hours before the Forward Gal..

As you can plainly see, she is dangerously crazed from the 'juice'..

.....wow, she is like your pet kasept;)

Another shot... I was pretty frightened because of her highly aggressive state and wild-eyed demeanor..

And here she is looking like a dog biscuit at the OBS June '08 fire sale where she RNA'd.

http://obssales.com/juncatalog/2008/335.wmv


Though - she didn't get any pre-preview TLC from Kasept that day - so who knows.

The evidence is all there.

Steve,

Do you think Running Stag was juiced when he tried to eat you? :p

(Cute couple) Marry that one.

1-2

I laughed.

You can see it in her eyes ;)

lol

It's always the quiet ones. ;) She's definitely "fierce." (Project Runway definition)

Wow.

Who'd have thunk it that DrugS is the only person on here hopelessly deluded.

That's right, Wolfson doesn't juice! Silly me.

Why should your flippant approach to the topic not get a similar treatment? And if her performance(s) are so obviously aided, why the purchase interest from "straight arrows" like the Jacksons and Tagg?

I suppose they are possibly gullible, like you??

Just my best guess though.

Let me ask you, and everyone else that won't believe their own eyes.

How is it that these miracle trainers (such as Wolfson) can move horses way up, beyond any realistic expectations that is, using just improved training methods, but after a meteoric rise, they almost always flame out just as spectacularly.

I can't wait to understand this one thing.

Yeah. I imagine 70yo Tagg to be quite a rube. I'm well aware what edges guys are taking. I just find it grossly unfair that some are accused with such ferocious zeal and glee while others seem to escape such attacks for whatever reason.

Age means nothing. The guy doesn't strike me as being particularly of sound mind anyways.

Do you feel I accuse with ferocious zeal and glee? I've always thought I kinda suffer from a serious case of apathy most of the time.

As for letting others escape for whatever reason, I pretty much call it as I see it. I've openly ripped on many trainers here and have predicted downturns in certain trainers performances.

Probably the main reason I said anything in the first place about Frolic's Dream is because she's a fun horse to watch. That and I have her in my TVG contest and now won't get points with her.

Glee? I think "glee" might be the appropriate way to describe it for a minority, but the correct characterization is "anger." This is not as funny as some seem to think. Sometimes I hear all the complaining about the state of the industry, and need(atleast temporarily) for slot money to sweeten purses. I'll tell you exactly why this industry is struggling. It's because people ignore the complaints of the customers that don't want to cap trainers. We want to cap horses. When the industry stops denying this problem, you'll see the value of the product come back. Look, you've got a trainer claiming a horse(off a trainer that won four Breeders Cup Races on one day in 2003) for $62,500. The new trainer easily wins a $100k stakes race right off the claim. By the way, this 60k goes right into his pocket, because the new trainer owns the horse. The old trainer never won a stakes with the horse. He's won a ton of stakes, but couldn't win one with this horse. This is the problem with your industry. Right here. You want people to bet, and get new friends to bet etc. Guess what? Ain't gunna happen. There aren't that many people willing to put up with this crap. Slot money isn't the answer. The answer is to give people something a lot more clean to bet on. As long as people refuse to do that, this industry will struggle(as it should.) Yea, you're surprised you have to sell the product, but you have to. That's because people don't particularly have a fondness for a product they see as unfair. You can tell people it's fair, but that's just not what they see in front of them. Pretty much this is it. This is pretty much the limit to the amount of people willing to tolerate this garbage going on.

Actually...the creature on the right looks juiced to the gills.

I'm afraid it looks like she is cross stitching or whatever KRIM calls it
















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Come on John....This is a horse board...post accurately or don't post at all..
















It's cross-dressing idiot

Very dangerous looking Steve, you should have been sporting a suit of armor!:rolleyes:

Yes, it's also unfair that Alex Rodriguez's name was leaked from the list of 104 MLB players who apparently tested positive for PEDs. But that doesn't make his conduct any less suspect.

The fact that some trainers' performance is subject to scrutiny while others "just as guilty" escape such similar scrutiny may be unfair. But, like the baseball players, that does not make the performance of the scrutizined trainers any less suspect. We can only hope that all of the "guilty" parties will eventually get the scrutiny they deserve.

I don't think anyone bandies about these names with "glee." I agree wholeheartedly with a prior poster that most people engaged in this discussion are angry and frustrated with what they observe. Let's remember that the sport is "horse racing." Unfortunately, handicapping the sport we love has become less and less about the horse and more about the trainer. If you or anyone else knows personally who takes what edges, that may be good for you individually as a handicapper or bettor, but overall in the long run, it is very bad for the game.

agreed... seems to me that Mr. Tagg has a fairly decent eye for talent.

Do you both actually think Tagg put this deal together??

Laughable

Where did anyone say that Tagg 'put the deal together'? Save the clever internet debate tactics for somewhere else. The better question is do you believe the Jacksons bought this horse without any input from the trainer to whom they are giving her?

Implying that Tagg played a large part in this deal and then pulling the old innocent act of "Where did anyone say that Tagg 'put the deal together'?" bit wreaks far more of clever Internet debate tactics than anything I said on here.

This is implied when you say "why the purchase interest from "straight arrows" like the Jacksons and Tagg?" in post 16.

"Yeah. I imagine 70yo Tagg to be quite a rube." Again, from you, in post 18.

And the one from Smuthg in post 26, quoting you from post 16. "agreed... seems to me that Mr. Tagg has a fairly decent eye for talent."

If these posts aren't saying that Tagg played a large part in this deal, then fine, that's my mistake, but I just don't read them that way at all.

To answer your question (the better one that is), I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Tagg had minimal input on this.

Just out of curiosity, how many horses has Tagg trained for them? I don't need an exact number, it's just that I can't recall any and am wondering if this is a new partnership.

Tagg trained Showing Up for the Jacksons.

Yeah, that's right, I forgot about him.

Any others of note?

my princess jess. she's one of several fillies/mares they've purchased from others after they had begun racing, and she moved barns to tagg...imo they're just looking for horses they feel are a good fit for them that can also be a good broodmare for their operation once they retire. i can't remember the last big purchase they made of a racing colt, only fillies such as precious kitten(she remained with frankel), MPJ and now this filly. they'll race her a bit, and then breed her.

I think there's one angle that is being missed or dismissed here. And that is some trainers do better with some horses.

You see it all the time in professional sports, tennis & golf especially. All of a sudden a average player shows great improvement when they change their coach. Sometimes it's a better match, some times the coach see things or stresses things the last coach didn't. Some times the player is just happier. Can horses be happier? Why not.

I'm not a horse man, but I would think if you listed all the things trainers do or can do, it would be a mighty long list, legal things that is.

My guess is horses that move forward, for the majority, are simply just that.

There's also the nice sprinter Rollers.. They ran a maiden named Cozy Lion together that I noticed last week.

chad pennington leaps to mind.

Darn you, I wanted to say Rollers! :mad: :D

Doesn't Lael keep 5-10 horses with all the trainers they use, with the exception of horses like Precious Kitten who they kept with Frankel?

LOL, really? Because he looked pretty much like the same Chad I watched for six years. Dinked and dunked his way to 10-11 wins, then crapped the bed when he faced a good defense in the playoffs. When he stops being a dicktease and flaming out in January, then I'll agree that he "greatly improved."

Hmmmm.

Nice run there by Frolic's Dream.

wasn't it the consensus that he had a better year last year than he did in his years in new york? if not, my mistake.

Hey, I just remembered that this filly, Frolic's Dream, was entered to run on Derby day at Belmont in a five filly field.

How'd she do?