Is the current Pope a disgrace to the Cathloic Church
 

I say it's gone far enough to see him befriending pedophiles and,now, Nazi sympathizers.





Sorry about the misspelling of Catholic, I can't seem to go back and edit it

yes and so was the last pope.

Turned a blind eye to all the abuse happening in his church... oh just move the pedophiles to another church so they can go on abusing.

Yet everyone seems to call him a saint... he was a scumbag.

Now this current pope makes speeches about gays should be eliminated (not in those exact words but that was the feeling of the speech)... now he accepts people who openly demand that the holocaust never existed.

John Paul and Bendadick, if there is a heaven or a hell... I dont see them being in the place above.

Well, Anti-trust and I are certainly on common ground here. I'm not sure anyone on this forum will defend Benedict(or whatever, Bendadick like you said).

I do think their are still many who think the Pope is not subject to scrutiny, that the Pope is somehow channeling Gods' will, thus criticism would be blasphemous

this is the guy working towards getting pius the 12th sainthood(hitler's pope)-so i would say his recent move to rehabilitate the bishops who are holocaust deniers isn't exactly shocking.

As a Catholic I find this completely offensive. Where is your proof that he is befriending pedophiles? Making him responsible for every action taken by a priest is completely wrong. And to get the facts straight read this:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/pop...025223422.html

I'm going to stock my ammo, dellinger, it may take a while.

I'm a Catholic, too.

Go at it. GL
aren't the vast majority of Priest Pedophile targets boys? Would be as ignorant as me thinking all Gays are Pedophiles.

You know, dellinger, it's going to be pretty easy to show the links revealing the Blagojevich side of this current Pope.


I do think their are still many who think the Pope is not subject to scrutiny, that the Pope is somehow channeling Gods' will, thus criticism would be blasphemous

How do you feel about this statement?

Nice article on calls from within the Catholic church for the Pope to resign:
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-en...ilitation.html

Here's a few excerpts:

Theologian Hermann Haering went so far as to say that the Pope should resign: “If the Pope wants to do something good for the church, he should step down.”


But Vatican spokesman, Reverend Federico Lombardi, told AP that the Pope’s “absolutely indefensible” decision to reinstate Williamson did not reflect the Vatican’s views: “They are his personal ideas ... that we certainly don't share”

Blago? WTF? I was never taught the Pope was channeling anything from God unless he is blessing bread and wine so the question makes no sense to me.

Why is it you come to this guys defense? I see no reason, in our modern world, to bestow any special reverence on a pope or a priest. I think you're holding him on a higher pedestal. I think he's a man, good and bad, no different than anyone, not picked in any way by God


Do you really get a good feeling from this Pope?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/menach..._b_163832.html


An excerpt:
"has no purpose but to inculcate contempt for Jews. According to deniers Jews use the Holocaust to win the world's sympathy and, in the course of so doing, win reparations from Germany and political support for Israel. Such a charge, based as it is the imagery of money and political manipulation, hearkens back to traditional antisemitic stereotypes. Why a pope would want to give support to such a movement is baffling. More baffling, however, is why a pope would want to associate the Vatican with someone who preaches lies and manipulations of history."

Listen he is not buddying up with this moron priest from England. He said he wants to rehablitate him which I feel means he wants to educate him on the facts. The Pope does not judge, God does. What do you want him to do? Send the Papal Guard to assasinate him? But keep at it......

And here a succinct link to the pedophilia stuff:
http://endtimeswisdom.blogspot.com/2...edophiles.html

From ABC news: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4656143&page=1

I am in no position to read his mind but still I have faith in both him and ultimately in the Church. I have known many Priests (majority of who were Jesuits) who are completely selfless and are more powerful than the average man simply because of their faith. They walk the talk and every facit of what they do is service to mankind. Goes with the motto "Man for Others" drilled into us during the four years of bootcamp known as Loyola Academy.

Allright, enough. Maybe I'm a little overzealous. I'm sure you can find links to his defense if you wanted to

I actually still have respect for priests, including the openly gay ones in the Episcopal church.

I'm still not sure what to think of the nuns, though. They beat many friends and classmates of mine. Are nuns mean everywhere, or just in American Catholic schools?

Real good source there End Times?

August 8, 2007, the End Times Intelligence Report was the first to outline the five remaining obstacles which remained before Canada, Mexico and the United States could boldly implement the North American Union (click here to read the reference article). The three countries, along with the Trilateral Commission and the Council of Foreign Relations, signed the unconstitutional Security Prosperity Partnership in which each country would give up its national sovereignty to create the North American Union - a regional superstate.

Trilateral Commission? Council of Foreign Relations? US giving up her sovereignty? Where are the aliens and skull and bones members. Don't forget the Masons! Surely you can do better. Take your time. LMAO

Let's not take it from the Endtimes link, let's take it from its' source, the BBC:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...ma/5402928.stm



http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...t=true&bbcws=2

View that second link, the direct link to the BBC broadcast, and then rebuff the allegations made

Stunning, shocking documentary! Excellent report on the culture of pedophilia in the Roman Catholic Church

F.u.c.k. Ratzinger, and may the good Lord hasten him to hell

Hell, I just read your counter-argument article and it sucks. The Pope takes no responsibility for anything, tells us to believe what he now says, not what he's done: says it has caused "great suffering to the church" putting the church's interests ahead of the individuals, and he says he has a difficult time understanding how this all came about.

Yet he wrote and enforced the policy of cover up and silence, and letting the pedophile continue on.

Sick f.u.c.k.s

Dellinger, I challenge you to find me a link to a web site anymore perverted than this crew

On Dellinger's Sydney Morning Herald source, from Wikipedia:

Historically, the SMH has been a conservative newspaper as evidenced by the fact that it did not endorse the Australian Labor Party at any election until 1984 or at a state election until 2003. Its parent company, Fairfax, is chaired by a high-profile former member of the Liberal party, Ron Walker.

The Sydney Morning Herald is historically credited with high standards of journalism; however, in recent years it has been accused of "dumbing down" editorial content, with more space allocated to larger photographs and lifestyle-based stories.[1]

and your point is? You used the End Times who states Canada, Mexico and the U.S. are conspirators with 'the trialateral commission and the council of foreign relations' to form a new country forsaking the constitution and the Sovereignty of the US. Now that's one hell of a source!!!!

MANBLA

Checkmate

they're too cowardly to have a website so try this one

http://www.godhatesfags.com/

and Mike I don't believe for a second you're Catholic or any other religion for that matter.

what's manbla? i'm afraid to ask..have heard of nambla, is it similar?

I threw that referenced link out, dellinger, I didn't need it. Watch the BBC documentary, if you take issue, tell me. I've backed down and admitted I was in the wrong more than once before on this forum

Man Boy Love Association.

I can't watch it because I have a different media player and I could care less whether you admit your wrong or right. Damning a Pope and wishing him to hell was quite enough for me. Can't change ignorance or stupidity for that matter. I suspect you are very young or at least that is my hope.

It's NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association. It's a group tha t tries to justify, through rational argument, that it's okay for men to be a sexual mentor to a young boy. Guess it goes back to the days of Plato, the foundation of our modern thought


Was given last rites by Catholic priest at about 3 weeks old, had baptism and First Holy Communion, but not confirmation. Spent grades 1-4 in a Roman Catholic school taught by nuns.

Felt at an early age that the nuns were hypocrites

and very similar

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=1&gl=us

yea the foundation of modern thought. I'm sorry you were sexually abused. Get help. Life is to short to go thru it hating.

I'm 46 years old, studied some religion in college with a southern Baptist gay minister(Harvard educated and excellent)


There's a good documentary film, it's on Comcast cable television On Demand as a free movie often, called Capturing the Friedmans. It's home footage taken by a teenage son of a married man with family who is accused of child molestation as a private piano tutor. The kids back up dad, but the wife goes against him early. Great film into what a pedophile may look like to the outside world

Dellinger, I'm sorry, but I have to run to the handicapping of what's left of Fairgrounds. I opened the card hours ago

I'll try not to shock in order to offend in the future:o

Dell, I was never sexually abused:zz:

My wife' s father was sexually abused by a priest if that matters, but I caught on to the holier-than-thou's long ago

Well it looks like he was unable to rehabilitate
the "Bishop" that believes the holocaust never happened.

This Pope has done an absolutely horrible PR job.
I am supposed to be Catholic, confirmed and all.
Went to a Catholic school K - 2nd. Was never abused.
Nuns slapped me with rulers, hurt some.

This Pope has John Paul turning cartwheels in heaven.
And not for fun. Rat man needs to come out and
apologize for some of the Catholic look the other way
tactics during the Holocaust. Just like John Paul did.

And I do agree with Dellinger that there are quite a few
priests that do nothing but give and are very good people.
The ones I have known. Ahh there was one really bad one,
but he liked the girls.

i wonder why anyone is shocked that an organization that limits it's officer corps to those that are male, doctrinaire, and swear off sex is attractive to closeted homosexuals.

you'd be hard pressed to create a circumstance more attractive to maladjusted gay men than a seminary.

and i'm not saying all priest's are gay.

i'm just saying they all attended seminary with more than one who was.

John Paul was just as bad. Turned a blind eye to abuse. Happened under his watch.. its crazy to think he didnt know.

And I agree with Dell... most priests are great human beings. Only a small percentage are molesters. But the fact that those molesters were covered up by the Catholic church for so long and just moved to other churches is what was so wrong with John Paul.

many of the dioceses in which these abuses happened have declared bankruptcy, rather than pay to the victim-and the catholic church is one of the richest companies in the world. the last time i read about it, they were the largest property owner in america.