I would Support Obama if
 

He'd act like a typical American Family facing an economic crisis. Instead of breaking out a credit card w/seemingly no limit and letting the kids go on a shopping spree, cut back on spending and frivilous expenses while looking for other means to raise revenues. We're sitting on millions of acres of valuable land, sell some of that. Who in the hell is going to pay back the trillion dollars? How about starting w/the mare in Cali who saw fit to have 8 kids on top of 6 already with no means of support other than the goverment. Less Government not more is the answer I'd like to hear.

Yeah, she decided to have octuplets. LOL. And it's the poor people who are draining this country. Blah blah blah.

Three weeks people. Three weeks. Take a breath.

Your right in truth she wanted only six. And you discovered the long held Republican secret that rich people don't pay taxes and have their help subsidized under the 'American Maid, Butler and Nanny act' Shhhh

Yes Joe it is actually the poor people who are draining the country. Maybe you are finally getting it.

Poor people dont create income, they spend it. You may take this as insensitive but the truth is that the top pays for the bottom in spite of the rhetoric.

what does the government have to do with the woman in california? if you want LESS govt, then certainly the govt could do nothing to stop her. if they were to step in, and involve themselves by telling her she was at her limit, that is MORE govt, not less.
now, that particular story sounds a bit fishy, but i don't know what you expect barack obama to do about it.
as for the bailout-i don't know that it's any better, or any worse, than the one george bush pushed thru. i don't like the amount of debt piling up, and think that could be worse for the long term health of our economy than a recession/depression would be. we've pulled ourselves out of every other one of these without a bailout....

as for supporting obama--i don't know how one goes about doing that, other than to maybe not jump on every issue running down the pike to rush into a thread here. seriously tho, don't panic, don't rush to judgement, and don't expect the change he spoke of to happen overnight-if at all. if there's one thing people don't like, it's change.

that's true. i shook my head when reading about the tax credit that is even to be passed on to those who pay no tax. earned income credit does the same. getting back more in taxes than you paid is some kind of racket.

The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul*dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per*cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007...pays-the-taxes

They could stop sending her a check every month. That would be a start.

the 'they' would most likely be california, not the feds-so i'd think your issue would be better brought up to schwarzenegger, not obama.


the states handle stuff like this--too many people blame the feds for more than they deserve in cases like this.

But the Fed subsidizes the State of Cali and all others

According to The Budget for Fiscal Year 2008, Historical Tables, total outlays for Means Tested Entitlements in 2006 were $354.3 billion. This was 2.7% of GDP and Includes Medicaid, food stamps, family support assistance (AFDC), supplemental security income (SSI), child nutrition programs, refundable portions of earned income tax credits (EITC and HITC) and child tax credit, welfare contingency fund, child care entitlement to States, temporary assistance to needy families, foster care and adoption assistance, State children’s health insurance and veterans pensions.
(from Table 8.1, page 133)

http://polecolaw.newsvine.com/_news/...s-welfare-cost

Total federal and state spending on welfare programs was $434 billion in FY 2000. Of that total, $313 billion (72 percent) came from federal funding and $121 billion (28 percent) came from state or local funds. (See Chart 1.)

Welfare spending is so large it is difficult to comprehend. On average, the annual cost of the welfare system amounts to around $5,600 in taxes from each household that paid federal income tax in 2000. Adjusting for inflation, the amount taxpayers now spend on welfare each year is greater than the value of the entire U.S. Gross National Product at the beginning of the 20th century.


http://www.heritage.org/Research/welfare/Test080101.cfm

so, you reference stuff from '00 (don't forget congress writes the budget, not the prez) and you're saying you'd support obama if not for this? i didn't know obama was the president in 2000.

like i said elsewhere, local and state govt is your first place to look at. domestically, look at congress. the president is the wrong person to place blame, or give credit to. all he can do is ask for bills and then hope they write a good bill, without a lot of extra pork garbage in it.

and that's why there should be a line item veto. then, the president isn't forced to sign a bill full of garbage just so he can get the necessary parts.

also---the feds subsidize the states, but isn't it up to the state to send the money where needed? to spend the money properly?

It's all a scam. And reiterates my point that I'm not anti-Obama but anti-government hence me quoting 2000 stats. Want to bet the percentage grows in the next 3 years and 49 weeks?

and the only thing I can really blame Obama for is not pursuing his illegal Auntie who's been living off the Gov and shouldn't even be here! He wants us to take care of everything under the sun but can't throw this lady a few bucks?

what i think is a waste-those coupons to get people converter boxes since tv is going digital.
it's my job to make sure some guy with an obsolete set keeps his signal? we're paying for that-it's ridiculous.

people might think that were the case had you been railing on here for months about how things were going; but it seems your attacks on govt only began when obama got elected.

you're right the stimulus package is just a front for me to attack

F.uck poor people and the assholes who feel sorry for them.

remember this thread I started?

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27259

or this one?

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26771

and lastly this one

http://derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26142

Now show me where I am anti-Obama just for the sake of being Anti-Obama

Those free cash cards worked great in New Orleans! For strip club owners and liquor stores that is. Underlying problem is you can't fix stupid!!!

three threads-sorry, i clicked on one and it said i wasn't signed in, so i don't know what they were or when--but you've started more than that in the last week or two, haven't you? it just seems that you've become far more active recently than in the past. i apologize if my perception is incorrect.

OK here's thread #1 and Oh Oh I bash Republicans

And now come the IL Republicans

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you want a second apology? not gonna happen...

I've posted lately because the idea of spending just to be spending is asinine And many of the people Obama has surrounded himself with mainly Rahm Emanuel are part of the problem not a solution. See Emanuel/Freddie Mac

didn't want a first one
so take it back if you will

i don't hink obama has done enough, or his picks for that matter, to say whether he's doing a good job or not. it's not even a month yet...

as for the spending bill-all obama can do is ask for certain things; it's up to congress to keep the bill within certain limits, and not treat it as an opportunity to load up pet projects at the same time. many of these projects could never stand alone, or up to scrutiny. but they get in there as a way to buy votes to pass the whole, bloated thing.
that we pay for.

naw, they're painful enough to give..and now you want me to take it back?! :)

It's called the carrot on the stick!

So put our trust in Congress and the Senate to keep spending down? LMAO Kinda like telling a drunk to watch the bar or Teddy Kennedy

hell no, i'm not saying that at all. what i am saying is that they're the ones breaking the bank-and they are the ones worthy of the blame for this bill, not obama-altho he will sign it when they send it to him. i guess in that respect, he's as much to blame. but they're the ones pushing thru all the spending-using our money of course.
and they're the ones who have no term limits. and a pension, and all the perqs.

I MIGHT give Obama a 'wink of approval' if he sends this bill back to Congress
for further revision! Course...since he's screaming for something to sign..that probably won't happen.

Just curious...will we have Another stimulus bill soon to fix the problems with this one?

I think it's pretty odd to complain that those making a ton of money pay most of the taxes. They're getting most of the income. They usually decide how little the poor are going to get paid. The good point is the one made about the woman having all those kids without a husband or job to support them. She looked right into the camera and admitted she had 4-6 embryos ( or whatever) put into her. She said "their my babies." Now this is crap. There is no reason why she should be getting a check for her fkn hobby. The state is bankrupt because of people like her, and the illegals that come up here and make us pay for their services. I am not against the poor getting services, but I am against stupidly increasing our numbers of the poor. It's gunna take a total breakdown before we realize we have to reduce the number of poor people we have, and spending(alone) on them doesn't help reduce their numbers. If you don't have a plan to reduce the number of poor people you have, then you're going to drown. That's what California is doing. We've let people like this lady get paid to breed. We've encouraged people (with irresponsible cultural values) to come up here and have litters of kids to be taken care of. That has to stop. Dell, why don't you tell your church to stop encouraging this fkn breeding shed they started, and you might someday see some results from your taxes(because, believe me, if they keep making huge numbers of poor people, then there is no spending solution that will ever work.) It really mazes me to see the number of Catholics that bitch about taxes while(at the same time) supporting a church that encourages mindless breeding by poor people. HELLOOO!!

Well, rich people always want a poor group around to get cheap labor from. I'd say rich people do use poor people to create income(for rich people.) See, Europe had their number of poor people under control, and had the Gov't services etc. to have a decent basic standard of living there(what a lot of you would call Socialism.) That didn't make the rich happy. So, they started importing poor people to make money off of. They are gunna wish they hadn't been so stupid n' greedy. You can change circumstance with resources, but you are gunna have a very difficult time changing one's flawed culture with it.

what happens when someone who works all of their life gets ill and still needs to support a family?who cares? and what if it were you? can i say **** off then? And the if you need health care the money that you worked for all your life gets tossed to pay for it.

Scuds if you want to quote my Church's Doctrine get it right. No sex before marriage LMAO. And being fixed is AOK. PS we don't all goose step to the Pope or bend over for every priest though my hair used to be parted in the middle

Official teaching
"Use of a condom to prevent pregnancy, just as with any other method of contraception, is a grave sin according to Catholic teaching. This is derived from the teachings of the culture of life and the 'openness to fertility' as discussed in the catechism: "By its very nature the institution of marriage and married love is ordered to the procreation and education of the offspring and it is in them that it finds its crowning glory."

Now, unless I am wrong, it's a sin for poor illegals to drop seed on the ground.