CD renames La Troienne (And now renames the Louisville La Troienne!)
 

...to the Eight Belles. Good/bad/indifferent?

http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/49067.htm

Decent ?

If you really want to pay tribute to Eight Belles, try not making your track a pived highway for every big day. Would make a lot more difference than naming a relatively irrelevant stakes race after a relatively irrelevant horse.

As useful as the MJC changing the Sir Barton to the Barbaro.

I have no problem with one "Eight Belles" but hopefully, other tracks won't start renaming stakes after her also, as with Barbaro.

They should rename the Jim Dandy to the Bernardini

Is that slang for Piven?

Good catch. Paved.

too bad she would have won the oaks by a mile..and maybee not been hurt..i say no to naming a race after a accident..**** name a race after rags to riches..she did win something..

A shame they took La Troienne's name off a race, thus out of the public eye.

They should have thought of something else if they wanted to honor Eight Belles.

There is little more annoying to me than the renaming of stakes races.

Interesting. It's 43,568th on my list.

What's #43,567?

A ringing phone when he's in the bathtub.

This was a lot funnier BEFORE I typed it.

No. It wasn't.

Agreed.

I don't know what #43567 might be, but I think number one is when the anticipated joke from Justin Dew falls flat. I think he was expecting the real Justin to show up.

Bad, in my opinion. La Troienne is now a lesser mare because Eight Belles had an unfortunate breakdown in May?
I lived through the renaming of anything that didn't walk after JFK took his fateful ride in 1963, only to have the name taken away after the emotionalism wore off.
Barbaro had 2 races changed due to overemotionalism. Barbaro was more important than our first "Triple Crown" winner or Leonard Richards? (I still don't know who Leonard Richards was/is, but if he was important enough to name a race after, the race probably shouldn't have been changed.)

Now, The Barbaro at DEL has been reduced from $300K to $150K. (The Dick was reduced from $300K to $200K). So barbaro was important enough to steal Leonard Richard's race from him, but not as important as Robert Dick?
http://www.drf.com/news/article/101343.html

Make a new race for Eight Belles, give Sir Barton his race back (he's the first TC Winner on my Kentucky Derby Glasses).

This renaming trend is idiotic. (I'm also still pissed about the Explosive Bid at FG)

perhaps, my rum is talking, but I think not..........................

Instead of re-naming a race why could CD just made a "new" race named the Eight Belles?

I do not think they should have taken "La Troienne" down.

I ignore the phone a lot more than you would think.

Now, if I'm in the tub, and the phone rings, and it's Byk, and he leaves one of those asinine three minute messages......then I'm plenty pissed.

The good news is, however, that the stereo is usually blaring.

i heard the news while driving home; i agreed with steve that it was a dumb idea. explained to my son how it was similar to sir barton being taken away for barbaro, and that there are actually two barbaro stakes now. at any rate, i also think if they wanted to honor eight belles, fine-but not at the expense of a mare the likes of la troienne.
i'd have rather a track that saw eight belles at her best honor her with a race, rather than where she broke down.

and really, enough with the 'had she run in the oaks' crap. hindsight leads us nowhere.

Naming a race after a horse that brokedown and died in your biggest race without ever having done anything else particularly notable would seem to be an idiotic move. Now every year we can bring up those wonderful memories and explain to newcomers how Eight Belles snapped not one but two legs after getting beat in the Derby. I mean there is just SO much upside to doing this. Hell the connections aren't even locals that they are pandering to.

I know the names of stakes races is not that important in the grand scheme of things but IMO this is not a particularly smart move.

Honestly, I always thought that the La Troienne should be run at KEE because she was a great broodmare and I think of KEE as a "breeders track." Maybe KEE and the Lexington elite will adopt the name.

I agree with Steve's comments yesterday about this, and the discarding of our history in this sport. Not a good idea.

But even more, I doubt the wisdom of renaming a stakes on Derby Day. Which is more likely: a reverent reflection on Eight Belles and acknowledgement of her legacy or just an "Oh my God...I remember that...this sport is so cruel to horses" type of impulse from the casual race watcher on TV?

I don't think it was a smart thing to link it to Derby Day, regardless of whether it was a renaming in place of La Troienne or if it were a new stakes. It's like renaming the Daytona 500 the "Dale Earnhardt 500". It's not a good idea to remind everyone of the tragedies that are unavoidable in the sport.

BTW I liked Earnhardt -- rest in peace, but you guys see the point I'm trying to make.

I do see your point and agree 100%

How much time went by before the creation of The Go For Wand and The Ruffian?

The difference is that those horses were major stakes winners on the NY circuit and Hall of fame horses who rightfully should have had races named for them. Eight Belles claim to fame is she broke her legs.

Eh, as I said yesterday, I'm still annoyed that they renamed the Sir Barton to the Barbaro. Sir Barton was part of one of the greatest match races in racing history and was posthumously recognized as the first winner of the Triple Crown. Why is Barbaro more worthy of stakes race than was Sir Barton?

It seemed like part of your point (or someone else's point with which you agreed) was that it brings up the bad memories. Do you think when people watch the Ruffian and the Go For Wand they remember the horses' accomplishments or their deaths in front of huge TV audiences?

I agree that renaming of stakes races is kind of annoying, but I think criticism of CD for this move is criticism for the sake of criticism. And I am critical of CD often.

The Ruffian Handicap was created the year after Ruffian's death, 1976. It doesn't appear that it was a renamed race.

The Go For Wand, like the races for Eight Belles and Barbaro, was a renamed race. The Maskette , named for a HOF filly, was renamed For Go For Wand, 2 years after her death. At least Go For Wand had previously won the Maskette, which gives some connection.

Sir Barton, his career and connections, is one of the horses mentioned quite frequently by historical writers when they discuss doped-up horses.

I hope others find this as hilarious as I do.

Because he died and became a big story.

I wonder if Big Brown had run in the Breeders' Cup and broke down if there would have been a race changed in his honor. Probably not, even though he did more in his career than Barbaro. Big Brown's connections weren't all warm and fuzzy.

Can you imagine what the Barbaro Cult would do if they reinstated the Sir Barton Stakes?

What? Commander Ross and 'Hard Guy' Bedwell are "mentioned quite frequently by historical writers when they discuss doped-up horses"? Where would that be?

What I don't get is why they are naming the races after these horses at the tracks where they did nothing but die? If they wanted to name the Tropical Park Derby after Barbaro that would be fine, he actually won that race, why name one after him at Pimlico where he did nothing positive? I guess Eight Belles at least ran second in the Derby but she isn't getting the race renamed for that. The Fantasy or Honeybee would have been races more suited to renaming for Eight Belles. So, if they want to honor horses that broke down I'm fine for it, but not at the track they broke down. Rename it at a track they had success at.

I'd love to know what doping techniques were widely used and available in 1919.

recipes for hop were as plentiful as recipes for corn bread and coming by ingredients wasn’t hard. Caffeine could be boiled out of black coffee. Strychnine (also used by human athletes for speeding up muscle contractions) was a common rat poison. Even cocaine, heroin, and morphine were legal for anyone with a doctor’s prescription to buy from a drugstore, until prohibited by the Harrison Act of 1914—and could be bribed from pharmacists long after that. But using those mixtures effectively was a fine art. Prudent trainers experimented during morning workouts, discovering the right dope and dose for each horse.

go for wand established quite a reputation on the track, and both figured to be hall of famers before losing their lives. the same can't be said about eight belles.
the sole reason eight belles got a race is that she died, that is not the only reason go for wand and ruffian got a stakes race named for them. there's really no comparison.

exactly, altho i don't think winning those races should vault her to the level of having a stakes named after her. nor should breaking down.