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King Glorious 02-02-2009 01:09 PM

Mail The Ballots in Today!
 
The race is over. The rest of the year will just be a coronation. The 2009 HOY has already been decided. He's 4/5 to win it. By the end of the year, he'll be on the short list of the best horses of the past 10 years. At least. He may head that list. His name?

Rail Trip.

asudevil 02-02-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
The race is over. The rest of the year will just be a coronation. The 2009 HOY has already been decided. He's 4/5 to win it. By the end of the year, he'll be on the short list of the best horses of the past 10 years. At least. He may head that list. His name?

Rail Trip.

Hope you're right....Our horse just ran 2nd to him.
Key Race!!!!!

The Indomitable DrugS 02-02-2009 01:21 PM

When the sanity of King Glorious finally debuts ... all will know.

King Glorious 02-02-2009 01:39 PM

LOL. Come on Drugs. You've got to admit that you haven't seen one that has the ability that this one appears to have in a few years. There appears there's nothing he can't do. His first race, he flew to the lead and went 44.51, 55.96 fractions. Finished in 1:07.94 (final 8th in 11.98). Second race, he was content to stalk the leaders through a 44.35 half and he went 1:07.85, 1:13.92. Then this third race, he went to the lead and ran them into submission again. Granted, the pace was not fast at all (48.06, 1:12.15) but that's what made it so wonderful. The way he completely relaxed on the lead in his first route attempt and still finished well was nice to see. It's not too many horses out there that have the kind of speed he has shown that can also relax and carry it a distance.

dagulla 02-02-2009 01:45 PM

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LOL. Come on Drugs. You've got to admit that you haven't seen one that has the ability that this one appears to have in a few years. There appears there's nothing he can't do. His first race, he flew to the lead and went 44.51, 55.96 fractions. Finished in 1:07.94 (final 8th in 11.98). Second race, he was content to stalk the leaders through a 44.35 half and he went 1:07.85, 1:13.92. Then this third race, he went to the lead and ran them into submission again. Granted, the pace was not fast at all (48.06, 1:12.15) but that's what made it so wonderful. The way he completely relaxed on the lead in his first route attempt and still finished well was nice to see. It's not too many horses out there that have the kind of speed he has shown that can also relax and carry it a distance.

Sire ?

ateamstupid 02-02-2009 01:47 PM

Where the hell did he run?

King Glorious 02-02-2009 01:48 PM

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Sire ?

Hell if I know. Since his sire won't be racing, I don't interest myself in that stuff.

Scav 02-02-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Where the hell did he run?

Santa Anita this past week....won easy again

King Glorious 02-02-2009 01:49 PM

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Where the hell did he run?

He ran 1/30 at Santa Anita. If you can, check out all three of his races. Horse like this are the reason why, despite so much that's negative in the sport, I can't give it up because I'm always afraid I'll miss the boat when a great one comes along. Damn this horse has got me excited.

my miss storm cat 02-02-2009 01:50 PM

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Hell if I know. Since his sire won't be racing, I don't interest myself in that stuff.

I was hoping you'd have a good comeback. :D

He's some horse. :tro:

cakes44 02-02-2009 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dagulla
Sire ?

Giant's Causeway.

asudevil 02-02-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
LOL. Come on Drugs. You've got to admit that you haven't seen one that has the ability that this one appears to have in a few years. There appears there's nothing he can't do. His first race, he flew to the lead and went 44.51, 55.96 fractions. Finished in 1:07.94 (final 8th in 11.98). Second race, he was content to stalk the leaders through a 44.35 half and he went 1:07.85, 1:13.92. Then this third race, he went to the lead and ran them into submission again. Granted, the pace was not fast at all (48.06, 1:12.15) but that's what made it so wonderful. The way he completely relaxed on the lead in his first route attempt and still finished well was nice to see. It's not too many horses out there that have the kind of speed he has shown that can also relax and carry it a distance.

King,

You're points all have merit. But C'mon, that last race was totally uncontested from the first 100 yards. There was other speed in that race and nobody came close to challenging him at all.

blackthroatedwind 02-02-2009 01:54 PM

And he'll never have to race on dirt. Yawn.

Bold prediction......on the shelf shortly with a supposed " minor " problem. Begins working again in late summer with an " eye " on the BC, but they're taking things slowly, followed by a subsequent retirement.

I can see the ads now......" not since Rodeo has one who raced so infrequently summoned this much excitement. "

asudevil 02-02-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dagulla
Sire ?

Jump Start (A.P.Indy)
Sweet Trip (Carson City)

King Glorious 02-02-2009 01:58 PM

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King,

You're points all have merit. But C'mon, that last race was totally uncontested from the first 100 yards. There was other speed in that race and nobody came close to challenging him at all.

I would have liked to have seen him challenged in that race. But even though he wasn't, I loved the way he relaxed on his own so easily. What I know is that he can run 22 and 44 already. It's hard to run 44 and still win going beyond a mile so he was going to have to show that he could be rated and he handled that well. I think he's going to be one of those types that will force the competition to always make a decision. Do you let him alone up and risk not catching him or do you compromise your own chances and go with him? And if you go with him, he's not going to kill himself in a speed duel with you because he doesn't have to have the lead.

King Glorious 02-02-2009 02:01 PM

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And he'll never have to race on dirt. Yawn.

Bold prediction......on the shelf shortly with a supposed " minor " problem. Begins working again in late summer with an " eye " on the BC, but they're taking things slowly, followed by a subsequent retirement.

I can see the ads now......" not since Rodeo has one who raced so infrequently summoned this much excitement. "

That's the unfortunate downside to things is that we don't have to see him on dirt this year and if he does what I expect him to do, it's unlikely we'll see him next year at all. But I'm hoping that Ellis and Co. decide that the Big Cap at 10f is a bit much at this point and ship him to New Orleans and Oaklawn for their two big races. I'd love to see him in the Met Mile.

ateamstupid 02-02-2009 02:02 PM

Just watched his replays. Very fast, but he carries his head way too high IMO.

Bigsmc 02-02-2009 02:18 PM

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Just watched his replays. Very fast, but he carries his head way too high IMO.

He was cross-firing down the stretch.

hoovesupsideyourhead 02-02-2009 02:56 PM

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He was cross-firing down the stretch.

:tro: :tro: :tro:

blackthroatedwind 02-02-2009 02:59 PM

Just once on the internet I would like to see someone praise a first time starter, that didn't come close to winning, and be even mildly right about the horse's future. Sorry KG, but seeing a thread predicting big things from a hyped up three time winner, with decent speed figures, is like telling me that Kate Beckinsale is pretty.

King Glorious 02-02-2009 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Just once on the internet I would like to see someone praise a first time starter, that didn't come close to winning, and be even mildly right about the horse's future. Sorry KG, but seeing a thread predicting big things from a hyped up three time winner, with decent speed figures, is like telling me that Kate Beckinsale is pretty.

For whatever it's worth (surely nothing), I said I thought he was a really good one after his second race. After this third one, I'm not only predicting big things but historically significant things.

letswastemoney 02-02-2009 03:27 PM

Hmmm well there goes my prediction of Tiago being horse of the year :(

justindew 02-02-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Just once on the internet I would like to see someone praise a first time starter, that didn't come close to winning, and be even mildly right about the horse's future. Sorry KG, but seeing a thread predicting big things from a hyped up three time winner, with decent speed figures, is like telling me that Kate Beckinsale is pretty.

I did that once with Cool Coal Man.

Oh wait. That was you. My bad.

dagulla 02-02-2009 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Just once on the internet I would like to see someone praise a first time starter, that didn't come close to winning, and be even mildly right about the horse's future. Sorry KG, but seeing a thread predicting big things from a hyped up three time winner, with decent speed figures, is like telling me that Kate Beckinsale is pretty.

Nicanor...:)

justindew 02-02-2009 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Just once on the internet I would like to see someone praise a first time starter, that didn't come close to winning, and be even mildly right about the horse's future. Sorry KG, but seeing a thread predicting big things from a hyped up three time winner, with decent speed figures, is like telling me that Kate Beckinsale is pretty.

Does the time I did that very thing with Sunday Break count?

(It might have been his 2nd career start, however.)

Betsy 02-02-2009 04:41 PM

LOL I assume you're kidding.......

I love Jump Start, but I refuse to go gaga over this horse. He beat a bunch of nobodies (not his fault) - and I think his running style will prove to be his undoing against even cheap speed. That's the problem with horses like this - they are always going to be victimized by pace. Plus, we have seen a million and one horses like this come and go - they beat up on weak types and get crushed once they are tested. I much prefer this horse to sprint - then I think he might be ok.

blackthroatedwind 02-02-2009 04:52 PM

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For whatever it's worth (surely nothing), I said I thought he was a really good one after his second race. After this third one, I'm not only predicting big things but historically significant things.


The good news for you is he will probably give you the old " he got hurt " excuse so this silliness will never be definitively exposed.

I do admire your optimism. Myself I'm trying to wade my way through a bunch of $16K maiden claimers. I know where my bread is buttered.

cmorioles 02-02-2009 05:08 PM

The horse is already 4 and you expect this one to be great? How is he ever going to beat Zenyatta this year?

King Glorious 02-02-2009 05:23 PM

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LOL I assume you're kidding.......

I love Jump Start, but I refuse to go gaga over this horse. He beat a bunch of nobodies (not his fault) - and I think his running style will prove to be his undoing against even cheap speed. That's the problem with horses like this - they are always going to be victimized by pace. Plus, we have seen a million and one horses like this come and go - they beat up on weak types and get crushed once they are tested. I much prefer this horse to sprint - then I think he might be ok.

It would help if you and I were talking about the same horse. I like Rail Trip. Jump Start is not racing so what he can or can't do is irrelevant to this convo. And I'm going to go on a limb and guess you haven't see a million others like this one with the same amount of promise. Maybe one but not a million. I'm going to guess you haven't watched him race because the one thing that he doesn't look like is one that will be victimized by pace. Class could find him out for sure but not pace issues.

Betsy 02-02-2009 10:00 PM

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It would help if you and I were talking about the same horse. I like Rail Trip. Jump Start is not racing so what he can or can't do is irrelevant to this convo. And I'm going to go on a limb and guess you haven't see a million others like this one with the same amount of promise. Maybe one but not a million. I'm going to guess you haven't watched him race because the one thing that he doesn't look like is one that will be victimized by pace. Class could find him out for sure but not pace issues.

Ok, I mentioned Jump Start because I like him........therefore, I hope this colt does well. We are speaking of the same horse - I guess it's not possible to have different opinions?

King Glorious 02-03-2009 09:44 AM

It is but I just don't know what Jump Start has to do with this. What race is he running in and do you really think he can beat Rail Trip?

Antitrust32 02-03-2009 12:03 PM

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It is but I just don't know what Jump Start has to do with this. What race is he running in and do you really think he can beat Rail Trip?


you are joking right??? Jump Start is Rail Trips' sire.

King Glorious 02-03-2009 12:05 PM

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you are joking right??? Jump Start is Rail Trips' sire.

Unless he's lining up in the gate to face him, I just don't see what Jump Start has to do with this. Maybe I'm missing something.

brianwspencer 02-03-2009 12:10 PM

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It is but I just don't know what Jump Start has to do with this. What race is he running in and do you really think he can beat Rail Trip?

It's like saying that I love Rhododendron even though she's been struggling because her dam, Mckinney, was my first favorite horse.

It's then like you asking me what Mckinney has to do with Rhododendron.

A lot, being the obvious answer.

Quite a bit, being the more subtle answer.

Even though Mckinney won't be racing against her any time soon.

dellinger63 02-03-2009 12:21 PM

and while we're at it what does Jess Jackson have to do w/Curlin?

brianwspencer 02-03-2009 12:41 PM

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and while we're at it what does Jess Jackson have to do w/Curlin?

Nothing. They never ran against each other.

King Glorious 02-03-2009 12:51 PM

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Nothing. They never ran against each other.

Exactly. Jackson has nothing to do with Curlin's ability on the track. Just as Jump Start has nothing to do with Rail Trip's ability on the track. Just like awards shouldn't be voted on based on who a horse's owner is. On track is all that needs to be judged. Everything else is irrelevant.

brianwspencer 02-03-2009 12:56 PM

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Exactly. Jackson has nothing to do with Curlin's ability on the track. Just as Jump Start has nothing to do with Rail Trip's ability on the track. Just like awards shouldn't be voted on based on who a horse's owner is. On track is all that needs to be judged. Everything else is irrelevant.

Though Betsy's terribly obvious original point is still relevant, even through this pomp.

Betsy liked Jump Start. Jump Start is the sire of Rail Trip. Therefore, Betsy would like to see Rail Trip do well.

I don't see what's so incredibly difficult to understand about this basic associative statement.

King Glorious 02-03-2009 12:57 PM

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Though Betsy's terribly obvious original point is still relevant, even through this pomp.

Betsy liked Jump Start. Jump Start is the sire of Rail Trip. Therefore, Betsy would like to see Rail Trip do well.

I don't see what's so incredibly difficult to understand about this basic associative statement.

Just as I don't see what's so incredibly difficult to understand what I was doing. Either way, it's not important.

Antitrust32 02-03-2009 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Exactly. Jackson has nothing to do with Curlin's ability on the track. Just as Jump Start has nothing to do with Rail Trip's ability on the track. Just like awards shouldn't be voted on based on who a horse's owner is. On track is all that needs to be judged. Everything else is irrelevant.


LOL. Breeding doesnt matter in the horse business now??? OMG king!

People should take their mares to stallions worth $500, instead of ones worth $300,000, because it obviously means nothing in terms of performance.


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