3-yr-old Eclipse Award prop at Pinnacle
 

Pinnacle has recently put up this prop:
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"Sun 8/6 Who will win Champion 3 year old colt or gelding?
Bernardini must start in Travers for action. No action if neither wins Eclipse.

101 Barbaro -107
102 Bernardini -109 "
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I don't know why it's dated 8/6--somebody's goof.

This is a chance for those who have already annointed Bernardini as the 2nd coming of Spectacular Bid to cash in. I was tempted myself, but decided to pass.

Limits are low, and will remain so until Pinnacle takes in some more action on the prop.

--Dunbar

This is an odd bet. Basically they are giving you even money on Bernardini in the Travers because a Travers win will make him 3yr old of the year. There is no way the limit ever goes up. Nobody will take the Barbaro side of the action no matter what the odds.

THEY HAD Barbaro at -220 first open...people have been pounding Bernandini

Seriously? there is no way that the Travers locks up 3 year old of the year, your nuts....they both would have won two grade 1's, one against 20 horses and 10 horses and the other will win two of them with 10 horses combined in two races

Bernendini has to win the BC Classic to win 3 year old of the year, and EVEN then, he might not win that because they might give Barbaro 3 year old of the year and Bernendini Horse of the year

Scav, has a horse ever won horse of the year without winning the Eclipse for his own division? If so you might be right, they would love to give Barbaro an Eclipse without leaving out Bernardini, assuming he keeps dominating.

I swear it happened last year or the year before.....Sprinter of the year and 3 year old of the year or something(Lost in the Fog maybe?)

I would be willing to bet VERY big money that the limit goes up. My limit on this bet is under $300 right now (limits at Pinnacle are player-specific). We'll see what it is in a day or two.

Scavs, what limit is it showing for you?

Boldruler, saying "nobody will take the Barbaro side of the action no matter what the odds" is a very naive statement. Does that mean the Barbaro side is awful? Then how much are you unloading on the Bernardini side?

If the money really DID keep coming in on Bernardini, the line would move to a point where I (and many others) would certainly take Barbaro. Off the top of my head, I'd take Barbaro at +200, for example.

At least ONE of these 2 statements are true:
1. Bernardini at -107 is a GREAT bet
2. Barbaro at +200 is a GREAT bet.

If you think #2 is false, then you should be unloading on #1. btw, you can bet over and over at Pinnacle. Each time you bet, you will almost certainly move the line some, and then you can bet again. (at a worse line)

--Dunbar

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This is where I first found out...not sure what my limit is as I can not sign in right now, I will check tonight first thing when I get home

my limit is $200 on that bet Dunbar

Dun, don't worry about Bold, he isn't a 'player'....maybe $100 a day, and if the track is lucky, $200

That is about right. I do make a few $2000-$5000 bets a year, but no more than 5-6 a year. Showing Up will be one next weekend and if Bright One is better than even money I will be betting $1000 to win on him this weekend.

You wish you are betting that much...Show me a ticket and then I will believe it

Any if you are doing that, which I doubt, you are leaving about $1500 on the table by not playing off shore...and if you are playing offshore, their should be a record of it

Better yet, why don't you meet me at Saratoga next weekend. I will gladly show you my bet on Showing Up. If you can't afford to go, ask somebody else here to verify it.

You have a big mouth, how about $250 (about all you probably have) that I will have 10 tickets for $250 on Showing Up next weekend.

Put up or shut up.

You know what man, I can show you that Jan 1st through August 4th 2006 I have wagered close to 150k this year, through Pinnacle. I have PROOF of this....I can tell anyone that will listen that I have 10 $250 tickets in my hand

how about this...Shut me up with you scanning those 10 tickets and posting it on the board? Just PROVE me wrong...I don't gamble on stupid things like that, I gamble when I have an advantage. Someone that would want to gamble on that is either internet tough or has a little bit of the bug

furthermore, if you are dumb enough to make that wager, and ACTUALLY put that into the US pools, especially an Arlington pool, you need to understand how they make odds.

Lets just say that the total win pool is around 750k, a decent estimate IMO, probably less....that would mean about .33% of the pool is your wager, given the taken out, and Showing up to be about even money, that means 300k on Showing up, or almost 1% of your money on him to win....

Your costing yourself MONEY by putting that in US pools

(These numbers are for argument purposes and are quickly estimated, but some of the smarter people around here will get my point that I am trying to make)

Sorry you are a compulsive gambler but there is nothing I can do to help you. I no longer gamble offshore because horse owners have told me that it is basically stealing money from the purses. I am not about to make my bets and run off to the Kinkos in downtown. I will gladly find somebody here that will be at Saratoga next weekend. I think after I meet them next Sunday or Monday morning or at the sales you will finally get the answer why I root for the Lael horses.

I am living proof that he has wagered that much....I had access to his Pinnacle account for a loooong time.

Offshore gambling is nothing more than organized crime. I don't give money to organized crime. It is bad enough they are so involved with NYRA.

if your the man you can surely prove EVERYONE wrong and scan them, 10 minutes of your time for people to stop harassing you and PROVE your point

And forget the pity party about stealing money from the purses, the takeouts are ABSORBANT and ridiculous

Don't really care why you root for Lael Horses either, you could be Roy Jackson for all I care, wouldn't impress me one bit, ESPECIALLY with how you act around here...

Yeah, that is why governments across the world legalize it

Just keep on digging the whole...We might be able to start a specific forum called "Ridiculous posts by Boldruler, a great horse, but a simple mind"

yep, just like it did last year for flower alley..

Might be the dumbest quote of the year.

lol
jjp, you evidently haven't read much 'bold'. you'd be used to it by now.

Sorry for saying something actually on topic but. . .

Bernardini won't win the Eclipse award unless he wins or does very well in the BC in addition to a commanding win in the Travers. I say commanding because chances are that it's going to be another weak field. He has to run against the older horses to equal (and probably pass) the quality of Barbaro's opponents. Showing Up's success could actually impact this in my opinion. If he wins next weekend, he should improve Barbaro's chances since they're both Lael horses and Barbaro was the better of the two. If Bluegrass Cat wins the Haskell and doesn't race in the Travers that may also help Barbaro.

I dunno. . . maybe that doesn't make any sense. . . ok. . . back to the bickering

Hey bigmouth, no need to do any copying, we are going to Chicago, just not staying overnight on Saturday. If our race doesn't fill next friday at monmouth we will be there friday. If it does, we will get there saturday.

I thought you said you weren't going? :confused:

Hockey, sorry for the bickering part, fact is that I am sick of this guy. You might be on to something with the above

Showing Up has nothing to really do with it. He is an exceptional grass horse but just an ok dirt horse. What might have something to do with it is the success of George Washington in the BC Mile. The Jacksons could get the breeders of the year, which would make the voters feel like they gave them something for Barbaro. Bernardini is likely the 3yr old of the year if he wins the Travers simply because most voters think he is a better horse, which he might just be.

flower alley ran second in the bcc and won the travers, alex still got the vote.
now, of course bernardini won a classic, that's in his favor. but i feel he would have to win out the year to get 3 yo honors. second in the bcc wasn't enough in years past, it won't be this year either.

look at war emblem for instance....he won once after the preakness, was abysmal in the bcc, still got the eclipse. came home beat older, mdo finished second in the bcc--fat lot of good it did either of them.

they do??? you already know what most voters think? lol

yeah, SURE.

That's what I was wondering...you have been in touch with most of the voters personally and they have told you that is what they think??

long way from now til november...and then til voting occurs....time enough for voters that have spoken with ruler to change their mind.

cajun, many people believe that if you always tell the truth, there's nothing to keep track of, nothing you have to remember saying or not saying.

We weren't going because there is a sale on the same day at Saratoga, but I have nothing to do with it and my friends brother says he rather go to Chicago because he has nothing to do with it either. He isn't as friendly with the owners as his brother but his dad is probably going to come too to see a friend of theirs from Lake Forest. He is a student at Hofstra but he really isn't a horse business guy like his brother, but he likes to gamble and he basically lives at Belmont in the morning. He is trying to start his own sheet, with picks, although the three he gave me today didn't do so well.

I don't buy the comparisons, Danzig. Flower Alley did not win a TC race, and ran unimpressively in the Derby. That's very different from a Bernardini who won a TC race by major daylight and is undefeated.

I was no War Emblem fan, but he did win 2 TC races, and had an excuse in the Belmont after falling on his nose at the start. Came Home was also poor in the BCC, if I remember correctly. I think MDO just didn't win enough races, but I'd have to go back to check on that.

IMO, if Bernardini wins everything up to the BCC, he does not have to win the BCC to get the 3-yr-old Eclipse. In fact, if I believed otherwise, I'd be all over the Barbaro side of that Pinnacle bet. The chance of Bernardini winning out from here is much much less than even money.

--Dunbar

There is a thing called the NTRA poll. Bernardini is 3rd, Barbaro 8th. That poll is basically an indicator of how the Eclipse awards go.

Some think that if Santos doesn't put a crap ride on Flower Alley in the Derby he wins for fun. He went rushing up behind Spanish Chesnut, pretty stupid

Wow, I've never heard of a limit that low there. I thought mine was low. btw, mine is a weird number that even includes cents; something like $274.61. This is my starting value for all their matchups. It only goes up when after they have had some action. My initial bet (of something like $274!) will move the line by as much as 8-10 cents.

Thanks for the info. I'm curious what the range of limits is--I've only looked into it a little, and I thought my max was way down on the low end. If you think about it, check on your own limit on this bet and post when it changes.

--Dunbar

I just did some checking....it is still $200 Max wager for me with that bet.

I have been screwing around with head to head matchups during races too, so I figured I would check those....and found something strange.

They have some matchups for harness tonight at Meadowlands and my max is $200...BUT RIGHT BENEATH THOSE

they have some matchups at Del Mar for tonight...and my max wager is $500.


very strange indeed.

It's not that strange, GPK. The bets at Del Mar have almost certainly taken more action, so the limits have been raised. I think that if you caught those Del Mar matchups earlier in the day, you would have seen $200 maxes there, too.

My limits on the Meadowlands/Del Mar matchups are 274/700+, and the 700+ number also includes cents.

Have you done particularly well betting the matchups at Pinnacle? I'm trying to understand why your limits are low.

--Dunbar