1/30 (GP): Forward Gal; Hutcheson (Gr. II's)
 

6th (3:42) Forward Gal S. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Gemswick Park Velazquez J R 120 L
2 Renda Prado E S 120 L
3 C. S. Silk Albarado R J 120 L
4 Hopeful Image McCauley W H 116 L
5 Frolic's Dream Bridgmohan J V 120 L
6 Dr. Zic Lezcano J 120 L
7 Heart Ashley Leparoux J R 114 L



8th (4:43) Hutcheson S. (G2)

7 Furlongs | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Break Water Edison Garcia Alan 120 L
2 Bee Cee Cee Velasquez C 120 L
3 Capt. Candyman Can Leparoux J R 120 L
4 Hello Broadway Prado E S 114 L
5 Salo Jak Santiago Javier 120 L
6 Rocketing Returns Coa E M 116 L
7 Z Day Velazquez J R 114 L

Early graded money for some in these races.... some using the shorter distance as a starting point for may ... easier pay check than Saturdays race...


First the girls...

#3 C.S. Silk.... Romans brings Robby in which is a good sign... working at the track well for last month... Might learn from the poorly timed move at DDowns

#5 Frolics Dream... learned a lesson in rating in Old Hat and did well... This one may be better suited for 6f... but may advance off last one... Like the trainer in this spot... Definite Jockey Questions

#1 Gemswick Park... Ran Tough in last... a repeat is possible... but did it drain the tank????

#2 Renda ... sleeper Well traveled and Tested... 2 for 2 in s.florida (calder)
if ready can win it....


Now the fellas

3. capt. candyman can believe the distance is a good spot for the return

4. Hello Broadway.... Coa goes to zito and the 6 but I like the work pattern and pace could play right into his hands and prado is at his best with this type horse...

7. Z Day... A.D. didn't bring this one without a purpose and could be tough if left unchallenged...

5. Salo Jak.... trainer and jock just "happy to be here"... 3 for 3 at distance and if the 7 is challenged out front could sit a perfect trip...

1. Break Water Edison... thinking this is just a warm up... may need one before best could be expected.... but 85% effort could win it...

watch out for rain in the area tomorrow...

Normally I would take something like that into account, but not when Zayat is the owner. He sends horses everywhere with no purpose other than name recognition all the time.

There was a timne when 7f was the standard distance to start a potential classic colt. Haskin wrote about it last week. Many of the greats started at 7f in races like the Hutcheson, the Bay Shore and San Vicente.
Trainers liked the idea of a hard sharpening race to start a young horse on a tough road. Of course that was when 4 or more races before the Derby were standard and racing every 2 weeks was the norm.

If Break Water Edison wins Ocean Parkway will be the rage Saturday after the Sabbath..

The Candy man............

The Candy man can!!!

Very enjoyable race to watch if you were a fan of the Captain's

Anyone besides me think that whole race was uninspiring? Slow early. Slow late. (unless GP has been producing slow times all day).

I thought Capt. Candyman Can did well in this race to show the maturity to back out of a 3 way duel, rate, and then come widest of all around the two frontrunners

I have no idea when it comes to distance pedigrees, how does the Captain look as far as a mile and a quarter is concerned?

Yeah, no doubt he looked solid. But I can't see that fig coming back too high.

He was a half second faster than Frolic's Dream two races earlier....for whatever that's worth.

So rather than take the two seconds it takes to go check the day's results to see how the track has played, you instead declare that the race was slow (1:23.69) and uninspiring. Awesome.

Frolic's Dream ran 1:24.15 for the same distance, and decent N1X fillies (80-85 Beyers) ran 1:39.76 for a mile earlier. Cheap claimers ran 1:36.43 for 7 1/2 furlongs and 1:43.20 for a mile.

I'd say that's a slow track and Capt. Candyman Can and Hello Broadway both ran big.

You can't? Even though you admit to having no idea what the other times on the card were?

I mean, how slow can the other times be? If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Just a knee-jerk reaction. Relax.

I just gave you them above. They're slow. Capt. Candyman's race was fast.

I'm no expert, but I would say he has something of a miler's pedigree overall.

OK, well, I qualified my initial statement by admitting I hadn't been paying attention to times all day. And instead of kindly informing me that they had been slow, you insulted my post.

You're a freaking racing journalist, and you can't be bothered to take two seconds to check the day's times before declaring that the race was slow and uninspiring?

I'm not a journalist. And this is a message board. And I called the race uninspiring because it didn't inspire me.

The dude's perspective is clearly (demonstrated by his other posts) FIGURE CENTRIC. Rather than noting how the winner, uncomfortable inside, is wrangled back by the jock, and then has enough to come back outside horse and win nicely, he's only interested in how fast the race will come back in terms of figures. This is because he's essentially clueless when it comes to the nuances of the game. Without numbers he wouldn't have an opinion. As it is, he doesn't have an opinion that's his own.

Now, why in the world would you want to engage/pick on someone like this?

Look, I said the winner looked good, didn't I? I just didn't think the race was all that great. It doesn't seem like anyone but the winner ran that well.

Just looking at the fractions, it wasn't all that inspiring to me. But as I said, if the track has been slow, then I might be wrong.

Here's an opinion of my own: I think I need to start taking myself more seriously if I'm gonna post here.

justindew, let's do this again tomorrow for all the feature races. The criticism of you will make me, sort of by default, appear to be a sophisticated race analyst

You might be right, only because I take myself and my "opinions" about 1/10th as seriously as the average DT poster.

But I have to keep Sheriff ateamstupid entertained.

P.S. Just looked at the times from GP today. Yep. Slow track. Imagine that.

The figure's gonna come back big anyway. He's wrong there.

Blah blah blah. If no one had called out your laziness and instead people had just gone with you, you'd still be talking authoritatively about the race. Now because I made you admit that you made a blanket declaration about the race without doing the slightest research, you were just joking and I'm taking you too seriously. OK.

Authoratively? Are you totally insane? I ADMITTED in my original post that I hadn't even looked at the times for the day. And you think that I THINK I'm an authority?

And I love that you claim to have "made me admit" something that I openly admitted in my original post, before you chimed in.

Also, my original post was a question. And you label that "authoratative".

Let's call this what it is: I write for KentuckyDerby.com, and based on that, you assume I think I am an authority. However, anyone who has read my blog would know without a doubt that this is not the case. Regardless, because you view me (incorrectly) this way, you take every chance you can to shoot down my opinions, probably because you are not a racing journalist (and neither am I), wish you were, and view me as one (which you admitted).

Do I pretty much have it?

Why wouldn't you just go take two seconds to check the day's times before calling the race slow and uninspiring?

It's like me saying "I'm convinced that you don't have a Japanese flag as your avatar (unless there is indeed a Japanese flag in your avatar)." Adding a qualification that would be easily satisfied to your blanket declaration is retarded.

Not really. You've got a journalistic platform, which lends you an air of credibility here. But you're a douche, and you're totally ignorant with a lot of the things you say. Rather than risk people being influenced by your douchey act, I choose to call you out on nonsense like "the race was slow, unless it wasn't." Sorry if that bugs you, but feel free to put me on ignore. And I don't want your job chief.

It's perfectly acceptable to see a race as uninspiring and THINK it's slow then go check the chart to find out what the final time was and how it stacked up with the times for the rest of the day.

I suppose the assertion that people here take their arguments seriously is true, but isn't that what you want? If a bunch of people came on and talked out of their a.ss all the time with no way to substantiate their point, what good would that do?

For that matter, I am a Capt. Candyman Can fan and thought the race was very strong. I am not unrealistic enough to think he's a Derby horse as he has seemed like an extended sprinter/miler to me from Day 1. He's in the hands of a very good horseman who has been schooled by one of the best trainers in the game.

I am cautiously optimistic.

NT

Upon further review, the Hutcheson was a solid race and my initial impression was baseless.

Have a nice day.

IMO the winner looked very good. I was totally disapointed with the 1, he was a top derby horse IMO, and I understand a prep and not being cranked up, but he was horrible today.

Capt. Candyman Can got a 100 BSF for his win in the Hutcheson. Frolic's Dream ran a 94 in the Forward Gal (way below the Wolfson avg) and Brave Victory got a 95 for his allowance win that was the race between the Forward Gal and Hutcheson.

NT