Blago vs patterson
 

All in the NY post today folks:

The Ny Gov has "egg" on his face this AM on this entire Senate pick , totally mishandled from the beginning , now getting an upstater who may not even win her party's primary in 2010

The post goes on to prasie Blago's qualities in picking a senator, something patterson turned into a circus

your joking right??? They praised Blago for his qualities in picking a senator, which was a pay to play!?!?!? It must have been tongue in cheek.

I like the pick for NY.. The most conservative Democrat a Dem Gov can pick!!

they were talking about after the pay for play was discovered and he had already been impeached , after that he picked 1 man stuck with him and didn't waver - paterson turned this into a 3 ring circus

still.. with all the craziness surrounding Blago and the senate seat... that is a misinformed statement!!

Isnt everything that happens in New York a 3 ring circus??

With all due respect Gales, you're way off base. And wow.. getting your information from a high quality, unbiased news gathering source, eh?

Patterson turned it into a circus? Really? How did he do that? By having to react to the Caroline Kennedy interest in the job? That was Patterson's doing? What do you expect in the Post anyway? Are the comments coming from that laughable P.O.S. hack Frederic Dieker?

Gillibrand, who is the Congresswoman representing the district in which I live, happens to be an inspired choice. She's a seasoned and aggressive campaigner who unseated a Republican congressman when she initially won her seat, and endured a big-spending, mud-slinging GOP scumbag attack in her most recent re-election. She has high approval and likability ratings, and gives Patterson Upstate capital for his own down the road election bid. She is conservative by Northeastern Democrat standards, believing in gun-owner rights for example, but is highly-respected by consumer and human rights watchdogs.

Please spare us the John Birch rhetoric and Fox News pablum.

Jacob Gersham wrote the article in the post

I was never for Kennedy from day 1

She's an excellent choice.


However, I am so f*cking tired of this upstate/downstate battle that everyone in the media continues to throw at us. I've lived in this state my whole life, minus the 4 years of college. I'll be 31 in a week, and I've lived 15 years in upstate NY and 12 in downstate NY. I don't have a preference or bias for either. Both have their positives and negatives in lifestyle, which is a topic for another day, but the fact of the matter is everyone in NYS faces the same issues regardless of whether your drivers license says Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, Plattsburgh, Greenwich, Kingston, Monticello, Scarsdale, Manhattan, Queens Village, or Southampton. Our public preparatory schools are terrible, SUNY (an excellent university system) does a poor job marketing itself out of state which limits graduates' viability outside of NY, budget decisions made in Albany seem continually rushed and slapped together to fix whatever leaks right now without regard for consequence (see the handling of Belleayre Mountain as a great example), many state project decisions reek of corruption (see slots-at-Aqueduct), violent crime (while significantly down in NYC) abounds at near-record levels, and civic pride is at an all time low.

Again, these are STATE issues, not locality issues. Nobody in Massachusetts talks about "Boston" and "not Boston", why do we do it here??? If that really is the prevailing sentiment, maybe New York should reconsider dividing into two. I would be very much against that, of course.

steve - for years in nY we have had to live with a senator that had her own politcal ambitions ahead of the state

the funny thing is that being in the senate cost hillary the nomination because she couldn't talk away her yea vote on the Iraq authorization and the dems wanted anyone who did not vote for GB'w war

now we get someone who goes in as the most junior snenator and it's not even a given that in 2010 she will even win her own party's primary - thus having NY lose tenure in the senate again!

Ask Obama if tenure determines quality. If tenure meant everything, West Virginia would get a huge share of the pie relative to their size... they don't.

for every dollar West Va send in tax $ to wash they recive more than a dollar back , NY gets less than a dollar for every dollar sent

actually Hoss it may only be the Post and Daily News left for us down here soon

the ny times had to borrow at 14% 250mm from a mexican billionare who has made a fortune by monopolizing industires in mexico , will see if the times can get back in "the game"

Kennedy asked to lie?
 

Patterson is a goof? But not as goofy as Blago

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01252009...to__151951.htm

In Massachusetts, it's divided into eastern Mass and western Mass. Those in western Mass get pretty ticked off about paying for eastern Mass.

Phil it is simple. NYC is ALWAYS democratically controlled, upstate is often Republican controlled, hence the divide.

i believe i read the other day that most appointees don't win their election for that seat when it comes time to run...

i'm just wondering when they're going to name that state after byrd, since just about everything in it already has his moniker on the letterhead!

Dems already gearing up to take on our new senator in '10

McCarthy from LI who is anti-gun has already announced she will look to take on the new democratic senator who is pro-gun

What will Cuomo do Gov or Senator ?

It sounds like Caroline K will run for either Gov or Senator and if I was Patterson I'd be looking over my shoulder (Tounge in Cheek) because we all know the Kennedy's have a history of killing and raping women. Surely blind men can't be too far behind.

steve - don't think she will run for public office - just my opinion

She seems to use her own head. This pick makes me think Patterson uses his too. She's in my area too, and unlike Kasept I don't think the Gov. needs to think about upstate for one second to get re-elected. I think it was a good pick. She voted against the bailout and that showed intelligence and b@lls.

problem is she is pro-gun

the liberal base of the DEM party in NY , is anti gun , unless Chuck can get her to change her position on this issue she won't win the primary in my opinion to even face a republican

Gun laws that aim to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens do nothing to protect anyone. Criminals don't obey laws so what's the matter with speaking out in support of the 2nd amendment? I take my right to own firearms very seriously. There are lots of guns where I live and very little crime. In NYC there are lots of gun restrictions and lots of crime.

i am not arguing what you are saying

just stating that most NY dem's are not in the pocket of the NRA and most are fighting for tougher gun laws , it will be hard for me to see the party getting behind our new senator without her changing her positon on this

Obviously you believe this relationship to be true because you wrote it, but I could also say that there are few guns in many other countries and little crime.

And you may interpret the intention of the second ammendment however you wish, but there are many that feel a "well armed militia" has nothing to do with your rights to own as many guns as you please.

Not a popular opinion I know, but as seriously as you take your right to own firearms, I just as strongly believe you shouldn't have that right, at least not without a lot tighter controls.

So I dont know if I can be a republican anymore.

I was just reading the fox forum about Pelosi... and I just dont know if I can be associated with those type of people.

It was all hate speech directed at gays, hispanics, blacks, etc.. they called Obama a primate. Basically the people on that forum are the people who believe if you are not white and very much Christian, then you are not a "real" american.. but a psycho libtard.

What happened to the republican party? What happened to small goverment, strong military, low taxes & staying out of peoples lives?? The whole party is know being represented by people who preach hate instead of tolerence! What makes a white person better than an hispanic person... or a gay person worse than a straight person. NOTHING DOES.

The republican party will NEVER be of significance again if they do not change that perception. I know that the entire party is not like that, but the ones in the news give a the rep's a real bad name. The majority of this country has grown up and is way past prejudice and bigotry. This party needs a lot more John McCains and a lot less Sarah Palins.

I'm still going to believe in core conservative principles, but I'm going to stay far away from the fox forum.

Just venting.

It's a good vent...and not because of the party affiliations. I would probably be willing to bend on the lesser of my "Liberal" leanings if the far right didn't freak me out so much. I think there are a lot of middle grounds on a lot of very sensitive issues that both sides are afraid to give any ground on. Would I like all guns to be eliminated from the face of the Earth...sure..Do I think it's realistic or reasonable, no. But if the gun control advocates are faced with the NRA's unbending message, the vision of Charlton Heston doing the "cold, dead hands" thing, etc how can I respect SOREHOOF and his feelings that guns are a right of ownership? Being called a Communist or a Dumbocrat just makes me that much more driven to shove the far right's ideas of how this World should be run up their ass. And I'm not talking about Conservatives...I'm talking about the lunatic fringe emboldened and encouraged by Coulter, Limbaugh, etc

Neither side will ever get everything they want, but I've always thought it pretty obvious which side preaches fear and which doesn't.

Lori. Seriously, you just realized this all NOW?!

Maybe we should have spent more time keeping in touch the last few years :D

Do you have any idea what you have to go through to get a handgun permit in the state of N.Y.? Most of the guns used in crimes are illegal. Lets enforce the laws that are on the books already before we enact new laws that will only be targeted at law abiding citizens. I believe in severe penalties for any crime involving a gun, and even more severe for crimes involving an illegal gun. I respect your opinion but I do disagree.The countries that have few guns and little crime probably have very little freedom compared to the U.S.A. I believe the right to bear arms was put in by the founding fathers in case we the people had to overthrow the Govt. At the time the people were able to own any weapon the military had.

there are probably just as many who read the second amendment as allowing you to own guns. kind of like freedom of the press includes more than the newspapers...
there are limits already on gun ownership-no felons, no nut cases.

now, i used to think that you shouldn't have many limits of what kind of weapons you can own-and i don't feel that for the most part it's law abiding citizens who are the problem insofar as guns are concerned.
but my dipshit neighbors bought their 16 year old an ak-47...now i'm thinking maybe a couple rules about what kind of guns might not be such a bad idea...and they are breaking the law, altho it would be hard to hit them with it-you are supposed to be 18 to possess a weapon, and no one is supposed to give a gun as a gift, the gun is supposed to be owned by whoever filled out the paperwork. but of course if the police showed up and asked, timmi would claim ownership, not his son....

I don't totally toe the line either way on this one, but this gets to the heart of how I basically feel about it. I have no problem at all with people having guns in their home, I was brought up in a house with a gun and learned how serious they were and how to use one at a very young age, and certainly wouldn't mind having one in my home one day.

On the other hand, I do not need a machine gun in my closet.

And I'm not a big concealed carry fan either. Guns in the home don't bother me one bit though, oddly enough.

There's always going to be nuts and there's always going to be tragedy with or without more gun laws. Last year there was a brilliant idea to let illegal aliens get driver licenses. And someone wants to take my guns?

Conceal and carry permit is almost impossible to get in my county. If you got your permit in the 80's it was automatic.

we had to buy a larger safe, we have so many now....but they all have their uses, and reasons why we have them...but no ak-47's, and only one handgun that was passed down to tony from his grandfather.

I'll get on this right away

that would be Schumer

we need you to put another "Mixteca" over like you did a few years ago

Both sides have their wackos... and we do need to find a middle for sure. But first and foremost I think we can all (oops majority) agree we're taxed too much, schools suck, no one needs an AK47, gays should be allowed the same rights as straights, abortion should happen at the beginning of a pregnancy, we're too dependent on Middle East and now Venezuelian oil etc. etc. You finally found the platform for the 1rst true independant Pres. Of course in this day and age we'll have to come up with something media friendly like the "American Party".

Add "limited government" and I'm in.:)