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Echo Farm 01-12-2009 10:03 AM

Keeneland Auction Azeri, Island Fashion
 
http://apps.keeneland.com/livesales/...o/frameset.asp

Island Fashion Hip 60 coming up soon (they're on 42 now)

Azeri expected to sell between 3:00 and 3:30 (and may be live on HRTV)

Echo Farm 01-12-2009 11:11 AM


Danzig 01-12-2009 12:47 PM

they got more than twice that in '06, and bought her back. thought she'd go for more than that, even with the current economic conditions.

wonder what reserve they set on azeri.

Indian Charlie 01-12-2009 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
wonder what reserve they set on azeri.

$57 mil

sumitas 01-12-2009 01:04 PM

Is that US dollars :D

Scav 01-12-2009 01:13 PM

I am watching the sale, and while I don't know about past January sales, there is alot of horses going through for under 10k, can't be a good sign for the sale, but a great sign for people that are buying

Linny 01-12-2009 01:30 PM

If you afford to buy, it's a great time to be in the market. Prices are very low IMO and there are tons of puts. My guess is that folks would rather hold their stock and hope for an improvement. I don't have the book so I'm not sure what the bulk of the "outs" are, mares, babies or racing age. My guess is that some are opting to wait out the market with yearlings.

How about those 2 adorable little babies that went through with their moms?

Scav 01-12-2009 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
If you afford to buy, it's a great time to be in the market. Prices are very low IMO and there are tons of puts. My guess is that folks would rather hold their stock and hope for an improvement. I don't have the book so I'm not sure what the bulk of the "outs" are, mares, babies or racing age. My guess is that some are opting to wait out the market with yearlings.

How about those 2 adorable little babies that went through with their moms?

Linny, in regards to those babies, is that because they just foaled in 2009 and were early? I have never seen that

Scav 01-12-2009 03:09 PM

4.4 million

smuthg 01-12-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
4.4 million

does that seem low to you?

Kasept 01-12-2009 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smuthg
does that seem low to you?

They were expecting somewhere around $5,000,000. so it's a notch low. Island Fashion was expected to get $1,000,000 and went for $950,000, so you could say the toppers are off by 5-10% or so.

smuthg 01-12-2009 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
They were expecting somewhere around $5,000,000. so it's a notch low. Island Fashion was expected to get $1,000,000 and went for $950,000, so you could say the toppers are off by 5-10% or so.

when will we know if she "sold" or "RNA'd"?

smuthg 01-12-2009 03:35 PM

Azeri bought back...
 
BloodHorse.com Breaking News

Azeri, who was expected to top the Keeneland January sale, was instead bought back on a bid of $4.4 million.

For more information go to http://www.bloodhorse.com/article/48749.htm

Danzig 01-12-2009 03:41 PM

not surprised to hear she was bought back. between her being a multiple gr 1 winner, and hoy; bred to the same.....and considering what vallenzeri was bought back for, that just seems too cheap.
more surprised that they didn't scratch her from the sale. with the current market conditions, they had to know she'd be devalued.

SniperSB23 01-12-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
not surprised to hear she was bought back. between her being a multiple gr 1 winner, and hoy; bred to the same.....and considering what vallenzeri was bought back for, that just seems too cheap.
more surprised that they didn't scratch her from the sale. with the current market conditions, they had to know she'd be devalued.

Think it was all just to comply with the will. Don't think they expected to actually sell her.

paisjpq 01-12-2009 03:49 PM

Those are this years foals. Didn't see the babies but every year at least a couple are actually born @ the sales in jan and feb.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Linny, in regards to those babies, is that because they just foaled in 2009 and were early? I have never seen that


Scav 01-12-2009 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
Those are this years foals. Didn't see the babies but every year at least a couple are actually born @ the sales in jan and feb.

Thanks Bethani, pretty cool seeing them.....

Riot 01-12-2009 04:05 PM

From Blood-Horse yesterday:

Quote:

But this time around, according to the consignors of Azeri and Island Fashion, Paulson and Nielsen are serious about letting them go.

“I am very confident that Azeri is going to be sold,” said John Sikura, whose Hill ‘n’ Dale Sales Agency will offer the 11-year-old mare. “Now, if there is some great aberration in the market that we haven’t seen before, then every owner has a right to protect his interest. But the intent is to sell and we’ve said that to any prospective buyer and publicly to any media source. If there is a reserve, it will be very reasonable.”

Paulson told The Blood-Horse late last year that selling Azeri was “part of the restructuring and wrapping up of my father’s trust.”
Who was the high bidder?

If it were me, I'd be furious.

Scav 01-12-2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
From Blood-Horse yesterday:



Who was the high bidder?

If it were me, I'd be furious.

Why? If I am the seller I am putting a price on her and if I don't keep it, well fine, I will keep the horse. a bidder has zero reason to be furious about not getting a horse.

Riot 01-12-2009 04:10 PM

Because I thought 4.4 million a reasonable reserve.

Obviously I was wrong :zz:

Scav 01-12-2009 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
Because I thought 4.4 million a reasonable reserve.

Obviously I was wrong :zz:

I am not saying your opinion is wrong, but I don't see how 4.4 million is reasonable for a horse of the year, in foal to a horse of the year.

I agree that all the quotes in the media made it sound like she was going to sell though

Riot 01-12-2009 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I am not saying your opinion is wrong, but I don't see how 4.4 million is reasonable for a horse of the year, in foal to a horse of the year.

I agree that all the quotes in the media made it sound like she was going to sell though

She's 11, for one. Even if she is a HOY.

Scav 01-12-2009 04:23 PM

A full 2 year old sister to Island Fashion just went for only 65k, that is insanely low for her breeding

Danzig 01-12-2009 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
She's 11, for one. Even if she is a HOY.


that's true....it cost island fashion, who is 'only' 9 compared to azeri. knocked her value in half from just a couple years ago.
one would have to think tho that her value, coupled with the prospective foal, would still mean being worth more than the highest bid today.

he should have sold her last september.

Riot 01-12-2009 04:25 PM

From Paulson Report:

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AZERI FAILS TO SELL AGAIN…$4.4M

<snip>

... but just as in November left a pavilion full of puzzled looks from spectators as she was led out of the ring. Leading up to the sale John Sikura, who consigned Azeri on behalf of owner Michael Paulson through his Hill ‘n’ Dale sales agency, was confident the mare would be sold. Sikura was one of the bidders, telling reporters he was active up until $4 million for his own interest, but said he was not certain what the reserve price was.

Another bidder was agent Paul Shanahan acting on behalf of Coolmore Stud. Shanahan bid at least $3.5 million for the mare. It isn’t clear if there was a live underbidder.

smuthg 01-12-2009 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
She's 11, for one. Even if she is a HOY.

what's the "reasonable" timeframe for a mare to effectively produce? I would think even at 11, she's good for 3 or 4 more...

Linny 01-12-2009 05:14 PM

Because she raced through age 6 Azeri is well behind in terms of production. By this age most mares have foals at the track, even in the shed. She's 11 and has no quantifiable production record because she has no foals to race. (I think she was barren at age 7.) She could reasonably be expected to produce 4 or even 5 more foals but if the first two don't pan out, how much will you get for the ones you breed out of her.

Despite her exceptional career, right now Azeri is an 11yo mare with no production record and average breeding. Yes, she's a legend (I was a huge fan) but when it comes to dollars and cents, you have to be analytical.

As for those little foals, I always feel bad for babies like that. Poor little things are a few days old and standing in the sales ring after having to stand there in the January cold wondering what the he!! is going on. They are cute though. At least the buyer gets to look over the baby they are getting.

Danzig 01-12-2009 05:34 PM

http://www.drf.com/news/article/101007.html


an excerpt:



Earlier this year, Paulson - son of the late Allen Paulson, Azeri's breeder and owner - bought back Azeri's A.P. Indy colt, Vallenzeri, for a record buy-back price of $7.7 million at the Keeneland September yearling sale. Although Paulson had solicited private offers after the auction, he now has the colt entered in Keeneland's April 2-year-old sale with consignor Eddie Woods.
Asked whether Vallenzeri's $7.7 million buy-back might have dampened buyers' confidence that he was serious about selling Azeri, Paulson said: "I can't speak for other people, but, obviously, if they were in my shoes and had a living female Horse of the Year, the only three-time Eclipse Award-winning older mare champion ever, they would be in the same position I was in. I adjusted our reserve to reflect the market, but she has a value, and I was going to let her go for extremely good value, but unfortunately we're victims of the global financial market."

Paulson indicated Monday that banks that hold Azeri and other horses in the Allen E. Paulson Living Trust as collateral had significant input on Azeri's reserve. Paulson said he is trying to "get it into position where we can wrap up the trust business in the next year and a half."

That means all of the trust's horses will have to be sold in that time frame, he said.

freddymo 01-12-2009 05:51 PM

I would rather an Azeri then an Ashado... Ashado sold for like 8plus mil and she couldn't eat out of Azeri's feed bucket on her best day

Kasept 01-12-2009 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
A full 2 year old sister to Island Fashion just went for only 65k, that is insanely low for her breeding

Note that she's also a full sister to the winless (4/0-0-0, $2,739) 6yo Tables Turned; the 8/1-0-0 ($11.700) 8yo Flash of Fashion; unraced 4yo and 3yo Big Shoes and Fame and Fashion.

$65,000 looks like a terrific number for a Petitionville 2yo in this market considering Island Fashion appears to simply be a freak out of an otherwise totally unproductive mare.

Danzig 01-12-2009 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
I would rather an Azeri then an Ashado... Ashado sold for like 8plus mil and she couldn't eat out of Azeri's feed bucket on her best day

but i think you could make a better argument for ashado's pedigree than azeri's. i'd take a saint ballado over a jade hunter any day.
azeri would have sold for that amount a year ago. now, a year older, and the market's in the tank...

freddymo 01-12-2009 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig
but i think you could make a better argument for ashado's pedigree than azeri's. i'd take a saint ballado over a jade hunter any day.
azeri would have sold for that amount a year ago. now, a year older, and the market's in the tank...

DrugS and I bred are Tiznow mare to a St B Stallion so you don't have to pitch anything Halo to me but Ashado was a paper champion Azeri was beast.. Jade Hunter or not I still believe in Azeri over perhaps the most fortunate multiple G1 winner of all time

Danzig 01-12-2009 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
DrugS and I bred are Tiznow mare to a St B Stallion so you don't have to pitch anything Halo to me but Ashado was a paper champion Azeri was beast.. Jade Hunter or not I still believe in Azeri over perhaps the most fortunate multiple G1 winner of all time

by saying i think the one is better bred takes nothing away from the accomplishments of the other-azeri. he just chose the wrong time to try to sell her. and i bet you and i both could find more fortunate gr 1 winners than ashado! :D

eajinabi 01-12-2009 07:00 PM

There is absolutely no money to be had in Breeding

dellinger63 01-12-2009 07:34 PM

How much money have the Paulson's spent in no sale fees on Azeri and does the government tax those fees?

dellinger63 01-12-2009 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
There is absolutely no money to be had in Breeding


and that is 2009's 1rst nomination for a Nerdy Award

Linny 01-12-2009 08:12 PM

Azeri beats Ashado on the track but I think Ashado could be a better breeding prospect, based on her pedigree. How many outstanding mares have there been that far outraced their pedigree but that were nearly worthless in the shed. Would you rather have a WinningColors or a Personal Ensign foal? How about Lady's Secret? Gimme the PE every time, she had the class in the pedigree and on the track.

Also, when Ashado sold (in a far better market) she was a young mare, just off the track at age 4. Assuming she produces 4 foals every 5 years til about age 20, the buyer can expect 12 foals from her if he keeps her for life. Azeri (selling in a poor market) is 11, with far fewer potential foals and a slightly weaker pedigree.

If I were an egotistical jillionaire, I'd buy Azeri because I always was in awe of her and pride in owning her would mean more than price to me. As a business prospect however, Azeri has some downside at the apparent asking price.

RolloTomasi 01-12-2009 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Would you rather have a WinningColors or a Personal Ensign foal? How about Lady's Secret? Gimme the PE every time, she had the class in the pedigree and on the track.

The problem is you don't see mares like Personal Ensigns go through the sales ring too often.

VOL JACK 01-12-2009 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riot
Because I thought 4.4 million a reasonable reserve.

Obviously I was wrong :zz:


Just my opinion from afar but, Michael Paulson seems like a real D*bag. The guy uses these sales for an ego trip.


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