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Cannon Shell 01-05-2009 09:00 PM

Mock draft theory
 
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...odd&id=3803148

If you are Bradford and Detroit is thinking of picking you doesnt going out and playing like Pennington to throw them off the scent cross your mind?

And if the kid from Alabama is really going to be the 2nd pick then he was coming out anyway.

herkhorse 01-05-2009 09:38 PM

He could always just pull an Eli Manning.

declansharbor 01-05-2009 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herkhorse
He could always just pull an Eli Manning.

aka the horse faced Elway move.

ddthetide 01-06-2009 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...odd&id=3803148

If you are Bradford and Detroit is thinking of picking you doesnt going out and playing like Pennington to throw them off the scent cross your mind?

And if the kid from Alabama is really going to be the 2nd pick then he was coming out anyway.

early sign from smith, he was coming back for his senior season. here's monday's part of the saga. someone here has to be lying.
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/bi...130.xml&coll=2

philcski 01-06-2009 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...odd&id=3803148

If you are Bradford and Detroit is thinking of picking you doesnt going out and playing like Pennington to throw them off the scent cross your mind?

And if the kid from Alabama is really going to be the 2nd pick then he was coming out anyway.

I think you consider doing an LDS mission and wait for 2010...

ddthetide 01-06-2009 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...odd&id=3803148

If you are Bradford and Detroit is thinking of picking you doesnt going out and playing like Pennington to throw them off the scent cross your mind?

And if the kid from Alabama is really going to be the 2nd pick then he was coming out anyway.

he's only a soph. just stay in school another year. he's now cursed with the heisman. heisman winners don't do well in NCGs or the NFL.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
early sign from smith, he was coming back for his senior season. here's monday's part of the saga. someone here has to be lying.
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/bi...130.xml&coll=2

darren if he is that good and would be a top 5 pick he would be crazy not to go. I dont believe that he was coming back if he was going to be a top 5 pick, it makes no sense.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
I think you consider doing an LDS mission and wait for 2010...

unfortunately there is a good chance Detroit picks number 1 again

SniperSB23 01-06-2009 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...odd&id=3803148

If you are Bradford and Detroit is thinking of picking you doesnt going out and playing like Pennington to throw them off the scent cross your mind?

And if the kid from Alabama is really going to be the 2nd pick then he was coming out anyway.

Millen is gone and there is nowhere to go but up. Expectations will be low and he won't be expected to do anything until his third season. He gets a stud WR and a second year RB who showed a lot of promise as a rookie averaging 4.1 per attempt for an awful football team. If Bradford has game they will be a decent offense and he can grow into the position as they improve the defense and eventually become a playoff contender by year 3 or 4. It is not a terrible situation to go into by any means.

ddthetide 01-06-2009 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
darren if he is that good and would be a top 5 pick he would be crazy not to go. I dont believe that he was coming back if he was going to be a top 5 pick, it makes no sense.

i don't disagree with you but i heard he was coming back. My Opinion, he should come back. i think he's still abit over-weight and could use another year of strength, conditioning and work on his technique. he lost his whole freshman season to the shula staff.

SniperSB23 01-06-2009 01:41 PM

Oh, and when could the next labor agreement potentially be put in place between the player's union and the owners? Both sides seem to want to curb the amount of money that high draft picks are getting and redistribute it to proven players so that seems something that will surely be implemented in the next labor agreement. If there is any chance that deal could go into effect for next year's draft then you absolutely need to come out now and take the huge payday. Plus when you are #1 one year there is no guarantee you will be the next year. Other QBs could move ahead of him. Remember Leinart? Had he left early and gone #1 as many projected he would instead of Alex Smith then he'd have collected another $10 million in signing bonus plus a lot more over the annual salaries he got the next year as the #10 pick.

GBBob 01-06-2009 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Oh, and when could the next labor agreement potentially be put in place between the player's union and the owners? Both sides seem to want to curb the amount of money that high draft picks are getting and redistribute it to proven players so that seems something that will surely be implemented in the next labor agreement. If there is any chance that deal could go into effect for next year's draft then you absolutely need to come out now and take the huge payday. Plus when you are #1 one year there is no guarantee you will be the next year. Other QBs could move ahead of him. Remember Leinart? Had he left early and gone #1 as many projected he would instead of Alex Smith then he'd have collected another $10 million in signing bonus plus a lot more over the annual salaries he got the next year as the #10 pick.

The owner's opted out of the current agreement so 2011 is the first year there could be a lock-out. Next year is "as is", but 2010 is a little more uncertain. And yes, one of the main reasons they opted out was the disproportionate amount of money going to rookies vs vets

SniperSB23 01-06-2009 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
The owner's opted out of the current agreement so 2011 is the first year there could be a lock-out. Next year is "as is", but 2010 is a little more uncertain. And yes, one of the main reasons they opted out was the disproportionate amount of money going to rookies vs vets

Is 2010 the year that could potentially be uncapped? If so it would seem there is potential for an agreement to take place starting that season which might include the 2010 draft.

Also, I forgot that the Lions have 4 of the top 65 picks in the draft thanks to Dallas taking Roy Williams off their hands. Detroit would really not be a bad spot to be drafted #1 assuming they address the O-line through the draft and free agency to protect their new franchise QB.

GBBob 01-06-2009 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Is 2010 the year that could potentially be uncapped? If so it would seem there is potential for an agreement to take place starting that season which might include the 2010 draft.

Also, I forgot that the Lions have 4 of the top 65 picks in the draft thanks to Dallas taking Roy Williams off their hands. Detroit would really not be a bad spot to be drafted #1 assuming they address the O-line through the draft and free agency to protect their new franchise QB.

That's the key to this, but I don't know without searching more. Just remembered the basics because GB lives and dies by a cap and it's a real concern up there.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Millen is gone and there is nowhere to go but up. Expectations will be low and he won't be expected to do anything until his third season. He gets a stud WR and a second year RB who showed a lot of promise as a rookie averaging 4.1 per attempt for an awful football team. If Bradford has game they will be a decent offense and he can grow into the position as they improve the defense and eventually become a playoff contender by year 3 or 4. It is not a terrible situation to go into by any means.

It is the Lions, it is a terrible situation.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
i don't disagree with you but i heard he was coming back. My Opinion, he should come back. i think he's still abit over-weight and could use another year of strength, conditioning and work on his technique. he lost his whole freshman season to the shula staff.

If he is a top 5 pick he has to go simply because the contract slots for those guys are so big he couldnt risk getting hurt or playing poorly the next season. there is no upside to staying.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Is 2010 the year that could potentially be uncapped? If so it would seem there is potential for an agreement to take place starting that season which might include the 2010 draft.

Also, I forgot that the Lions have 4 of the top 65 picks in the draft thanks to Dallas taking Roy Williams off their hands. Detroit would really not be a bad spot to be drafted #1 assuming they address the O-line through the draft and free agency to protect their new franchise QB.

Millen may be gone but they havent brought anyone else in and arent going to. There is almost no chance they dont screw up this draft. The Lions have never been good in my lifetime and I'm gettin up there.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 02:21 PM

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...ay-thoughts-5/

declansharbor 01-06-2009 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Millen may be gone but they havent brought anyone else in and arent going to. There is almost no chance they dont screw up this draft. The Lions have never been good in my lifetime and I'm gettin up there.


Woah, woah... 1995 :rolleyes: ...First time ever that a team has 2 players finish with 100+ receptions. (Herm Moore (123) and Brett Perriman(109), I think)

Shall we even get into the "If Barry had Emmitt's Oline debate"? :D

Lomas Brown's gaurantee of a playoff win over Philly and Ray Rhodes retort is my fondest memory from that team.

ddthetide 01-06-2009 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Millen may be gone but they havent brought anyone else in and arent going to. There is almost no chance they dont screw up this draft. The Lions have never been good in my lifetime and I'm gettin up there.

never remember the lions being this bad. 500 at best but never this bad.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Woah, woah... 1995 :rolleyes: ...First time ever that a team has 2 players finish with 100+ receptions. (Herm Moore (123) and Brett Perriman(109), I think)

Shall we even get into the "If Barry had Emmitt's Oline debate"? :D

Lomas Brown's gaurantee of a win over Philly and Ray Rhodes retort is my fondest memory from that team.

Ok let me rephrase, they have never been a serious playoff team with a prayer of winning let alone reaching the Super bowl in my lifetime.

SniperSB23 01-06-2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
Woah, woah... 1995 :rolleyes: ...First time ever that a team has 2 players finish with 100+ receptions. (Herm Moore (123) and Brett Perriman(109), I think)

Shall we even get into the "If Barry had Emmitt's Oline debate"? :D

Lomas Brown's gaurantee of a playoff win over Philly and Ray Rhodes retort is my fondest memory from that team.

Barry's lines were underrated. He had two Pro Bowl caliber lineman almost every year in Lomas Brown (7 Pro Bowls) and Kevin Glover (3 Pro Bowls). The whole idea that Barry's lines weren't good comes about because he had so many runs for negative yards but that wasn't because of the lines, it was cause of his style of running. The Cowboys line was amazing but wouldn't have made Sanders much better. Any Emmitt style runner though would have significantly improved behind the Dallas line.

declansharbor 01-06-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23
Barry's lines were underrated. He had two Pro Bowl caliber lineman almost every year in Lomas Brown (7 Pro Bowls) and Kevin Glover (3 Pro Bowls). The whole idea that Barry's lines weren't good comes about because he had so many runs for negative yards but that wasn't because of the lines, it was cause of his style of running. The Cowboys line was amazing but wouldn't have made Sanders much better. Any Emmitt style runner though would have significantly improved behind the Dallas line.

I agree with everything you said. I try to tell the same stuff to my friend who refuses to acknowledge the difference between north-south runners as opposed to shimmy-shakers like Barry. I admit to him that the holes Emmitt saw were much bigger than the ones Barry had, and to him that's the end of the discussion. Its more complicated than that, but to him its not. My buddy ALWAYS brings up the plays when Barry faked Rod Woodson out of his kneecap, the TD with one cleat on, and the one when he was practially out of bounds, when he stepped back, had the Vikings defenders attempt to tackle him (which weren't even close), and broke a good one.

I wasn't a big Emmitt fan, as I wasnt allowed to be, but that didnt stop me from marveling at his greatness. IMO, he was the best RB of my generation.

PS. Sorry for the threadjacking.

King Glorious 01-06-2009 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is the Lions, it is a terrible situation.

Right. Some teams just have a losing culture. The Lions are one of them. The Bengals are another. The Clippers in the NBA. Don't let a successful season or two make you believe otherwise. Millen may be gone but the owner is still there.

miraja2 01-06-2009 04:01 PM

I'm not at all convinced that Sam Bradford will be a good NFL quarterback. He is accurate and has certainly put up big numbers, but he has the best O-Line in the country in front of him, a host of talented skill players around him, and plays in an offense-oriented league.

I just don't think he has the overall skill-set of somebody like Matt Ryan. He reminds me more of John Beck.

ddthetide 01-06-2009 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miraja2
I'm not at all convinced that Sam Bradford will be a good NFL quarterback. He is accurate and has certainly put up big numbers, but he has the best O-Line in the country in front of him, a host of talented skill players around him, and plays in an offense-oriented league.

I just don't think he has the overall skill-set of somebody like Matt Ryan. He reminds me more of John Beck.

none of the pass happy qbs from ou are in the nfl or any of spurrier's fun-n-gun qbs. not even june jones' hawaii qbs have done anything in the big show.

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
none of the pass happy qbs from ou are in the nfl or any of spurrier's fun-n-gun qbs. not even june jones' hawaii qbs have done anything in the big show.

Cant compare Bradford and those other guys. Bradford is big, accurate and has a gun. He is a real prospect.

ddthetide 01-06-2009 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Cant compare Bradford and those other guys. Bradford is big, accurate and has a gun. He is a real prospect.

i like Daniels and McCoy better. i think they both throw the ball better. their height will play against them.

deltagulf 01-06-2009 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by herkhorse
He could always just pull an Eli Manning.


how people forget john elway did it to the colts way back when. told them don't draft me i will not go to baltimore to play football.:zz: :zz:

declansharbor 01-06-2009 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by deltagulf
how people forget john elway did it to the colts way back when. told them don't draft me i will not go to baltimore to play football.:zz: :zz:

see post #3

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deltagulf
how people forget john elway did it to the colts way back when. told them don't draft me i will not go to baltimore to play football.:zz: :zz:

Yeah but can Bradford play baseball?

Cannon Shell 01-06-2009 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ddthetide
i like Daniels and McCoy better. i think they both throw the ball better. their height will play against them.

My amateur football scouting ability tells me he is far superior to those other guys, at least from what I have seen.

The Indomitable DrugS 01-06-2009 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Cant compare Bradford and those other guys. Bradford is big, accurate and has a gun. He is a real prospect.

As much as I hate the Republic of Georgia ... Stafford will probably be the #1 pick taken.

He's as big and accurate and has a much better gun. Bradford has a supposedly O-line for the ages blocking for him ... and plays in a pinball confrence loaded with suspect pass defenses.

Stafford and Bradford came from the same highschool class ... one was ranked 2 overall and the other 17th. ... which tells me Stafford will probably have the better combine.

1. Mitch Mustain
(Springdale HS)
Springdale, AR 6-3/200/4.70 Committed to Arkansas
2 Matthew Stafford
(Highland Park HS)
Dallas, TX 6-2.5/212/4.75 Committed to Georgia
3 Tim Tebow
(Nease HS)
St Augustine, FL 6-3/225/4.60 Committed to Florida
4 Pat Devlin
(Downingtown West HS)
Downingtown, PA 6-4/200/4.70 Committed to Penn State
5 Isiah Williams
(Chicago Vocational HS)
Chicago, IL 6-2/220/4.70 Committed to Illinois
6 Jevan Snead
(Stephenville HS)
Stephenville, TX 6-2.5/195/4.80 Committed to Texas
7 Jake Locker
(Ferndale HS)
Ferndale, WA 6-2/210/4.60 Committed to Washington
8 Alex Cate
(Cottonwood HS)
Salt Lake City, UT 6-2/198/4.76 Committed to Oklahoma State
9 Zach Frazer
(Mechanicsburg Area HS)
Mechanicsburg, PA 6-4/209/4.80 Committed to Notre Dame
10 Neil Caudle
(Spain Park HS)
Hoover, AL 6-2/192/4.60 Committed to Auburn
11 Nick Stephens
(Flower Mound HS)
Lewisville, TX 6-3.5/208/4.90 Committed to Tennessee
12 Sherrod Harris
(Bowie HS)
Arlington, TX 6-2/210/4.65 Committed to Texas
13 Antonio Henton
(Peach County HS)
Fort Valley, GA 6-1.5/207/4.65 Committed to Ohio State
14 Taylor Potts
(Abilene HS)
Abilene, TX 6-3.5/205/5.13 Committed to Texas Tech
15 Josh Freeman
(Grandview Sr. HS)
Grandview, MO 6-5/226/4.84 Committed to Kansas State
16 James Lark
(Pineview HS)
St George, UT 6-3/200/4.70 Committed to BYU
17 Sam Bradford
(Putnam City North HS)
Oklahoma City, OK 6-4/190/4.70 Committed to Oklahoma

declansharbor 01-06-2009 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
As much as I hate the Republic of Georgia ... Stafford will probably be the #1 pick taken.

He's as big and accurate and has a much better gun. Bradford has a supposedly O-line for the ages blocking for him ... and plays in a pinball confrence loaded with suspect pass defenses.

Stafford and Bradford came from the same highschool class ... one was ranked 2 overall and the other 17th. ... which tells me Stafford will probably have the better combine.

1. Mitch Mustain
(Springdale HS)
Springdale, AR 6-3/200/4.70 Committed to Arkansas
2 Matthew Stafford
(Highland Park HS)
Dallas, TX 6-2.5/212/4.75 Committed to Georgia
3 Tim Tebow
(Nease HS)
St Augustine, FL 6-3/225/4.60 Committed to Florida
4 Pat Devlin
(Downingtown West HS)
Downingtown, PA 6-4/200/4.70 Committed to Penn State
5 Isiah Williams
(Chicago Vocational HS)
Chicago, IL 6-2/220/4.70 Committed to Illinois
6 Jevan Snead
(Stephenville HS)
Stephenville, TX 6-2.5/195/4.80 Committed to Texas
7 Jake Locker
(Ferndale HS)
Ferndale, WA 6-2/210/4.60 Committed to Washington
8 Alex Cate
(Cottonwood HS)
Salt Lake City, UT 6-2/198/4.76 Committed to Oklahoma State
9 Zach Frazer
(Mechanicsburg Area HS)
Mechanicsburg, PA 6-4/209/4.80 Committed to Notre Dame
10 Neil Caudle
(Spain Park HS)
Hoover, AL 6-2/192/4.60 Committed to Auburn
11 Nick Stephens
(Flower Mound HS)
Lewisville, TX 6-3.5/208/4.90 Committed to Tennessee
12 Sherrod Harris
(Bowie HS)
Arlington, TX 6-2/210/4.65 Committed to Texas
13 Antonio Henton
(Peach County HS)
Fort Valley, GA 6-1.5/207/4.65 Committed to Ohio State
14 Taylor Potts
(Abilene HS)
Abilene, TX 6-3.5/205/5.13 Committed to Texas Tech
15 Josh Freeman
(Grandview Sr. HS)
Grandview, MO 6-5/226/4.84 Committed to Kansas State
16 James Lark
(Pineview HS)
St George, UT 6-3/200/4.70 Committed to BYU
17 Sam Bradford
(Putnam City North HS)
Oklahoma City, OK 6-4/190/4.70 Committed to Oklahoma

Anyone know where he's transferring to?

The Indomitable DrugS 01-06-2009 10:21 PM

He's going to be a Delaware Blue Hen. Taking after the Ravens rookie I guess.

declansharbor 01-06-2009 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He's going to be a Delaware Blue Hen. Taking after the Ravens rookie I guess.

Negative trainer switch but has to love the drop in class.

ddthetide 01-07-2009 05:47 AM

  • #1 Mustain transfered to USC, probably never see the field.
  • #6 Snead transfered to Ole Miss and had Great year!
  • #7 Locker plays his guts out for a BAD Wash. program

The Indomitable DrugS 01-07-2009 06:21 AM

#5: Shares same nickname with OJ.

miraja2 01-07-2009 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide
i like Daniels and McCoy better. i think they both throw the ball better. their height will play against them.

Are you talking about Chase Daniel from Mizzou?
As a Mizzou alum, and a person that has watched all of their games the last two years, I have to disagree with you there. Chase is accurate, but he puts absolutely no zip on the ball whatsoever. He has virtually no arm strength, and therefore I doubt he will have anything approaching a significant NFL career.

miraja2 01-07-2009 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Cant compare Bradford and those other guys. Bradford is big, accurate and has a gun. He is a real prospect.

You are right about that, but I just haven't been impressed with Bradford when he doesn't have all day to throw. When he has to move at all in the pocket, or has a guy in his face, he seems to struggle. Of course all quarterbacks do worse in those situations, but he seems to struggle more than others.


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