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How anyone in the country does not think that this team could beat any of these teams is out of their mind

In the last 3 years the big 10 champion has been pummeled equally by 2 sec schools and now USC

The rose bowl was over by halftime , just like the last 2 bcs games.

For anyone to think that USC is not in the same class as any of the top SEC schools or top big 12 schools they are just kidding themselves

They could beat any of the teams that are left playing including Florida and Oklahoma

Yes, they can beat anyone in the country. Rolling the Big 10 in the Rose Bowl is nothing special. They should roll the Big 10.

They would be playing on Thursday if they didn't lose a conference game. I am all for a playoff, but this is the system we have now.

The playoffs start in September. Win 'em all and there is a good chance you'll be in the big game.

Yer preachin' to the choir, gales0678.




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Originally Posted by Bigsmc Yes, they can beat anyone in the country. Rolling the Big 10 in the Rose Bowl is nothing special. They should roll the Big 10.

my point exactly - waht was so special about a 2 loss LSU rolling ohio st last year and florida rolling over ohio st 2 years ago

the only difference was that those were the BCS games and this was the rose bowl - but all 3 teams defeated were the big 10 champions

Also why should they be shut out - they lost on the road , florida lost at home
to confernce opponents

Uh Penn State sucked?

Mississippi > Oregon St.

playing at home in the swamp vs going to Corvellus is not something important to think about

How do you know Ole Miss could beat OSU ?

What about the Pac 10 in bowls , they are undeafeated in bowls.


All year long we heard about the Big 12 - OSU didn't stop Oregon at all in the 2nd half

I ain't saying Florida doesn't deserve a shot at the BCS game , but , what did the last 2 bcs games and yesterday's rose bowl tell us about who the real best team in college football was the last 3 years - nothing absolutley nothing

I don't know for sure...just like you don't know for sure if USC could beat all takers right now. It's a guess.

tell me why Ou or Florida deserves to be in the BCS game over them


there is no fairness to west coast teams on a natioanl level

cleary the pac 10 is every bit as good this year as any top confernce if you have been waching the bowls - they have won shootouts and defensive games

The week that most of the pac 10 lost to those mountain valley teams or whatever... and usc getting beat by osu. that is probably the 2 biggest factors for USC going rose.

People thought the Pac 10 was very bad this year so that didnt help USC. Turns out the Pac 10 is pretty good!

But, the only team USC can fault is themselves.... if you want to win a National Championship game you cant lose to OSU.

The Gator loss to Ol' Miss was unfortunate, but it was by a blocked extra point and Ol' Miss turned out to be a real good team (IMO) this year. What the Gators have done since that loss has been rediculous.

And USC didnt beat the #1 team in the country for the conference championship either.

Gators and Oklahoma deserve to be in the championship... or the Gators and Texas. USC could have beat them all (I think UF beats USC tho)... but they shouldnt have lost to OSU!!

Looks like another hollow national championship for UF...

Because this is the shitty system they have. It's up to polls and computers.

The bottom line is, win them all and you'll play in the big game. Most of the time.

did you manage this with a straight face? usc is a perennial pre-season favorite-yet they always manage to shoot themselves in the foot by losing to a rather weak conference opponent. twice in the last three years to osu, and then the loss to abysmal stanford.
if you want to be considered the best, you can't lose to schools like that. everyone recognizes they are the dominant force on the west coast...now they just have to win those 'easy' games.
ole miss turned out to be a good team-which is why fla got the nod over usc. it's not that hard to figure out, is it?

I quite sure they can care less if it is "hollow".

no, they don't. kills me when those with a team bias can't step back and consider things objectively.

Missippi was 8-4

Vanderbilt and USC beat them - 2 very medicore teams ,

Ole Miss is playing well now no question , but they were a middle of the road SEC team in the early part of the season

Ole miss is playing good ball now , i'll give you that , but again UF lost a home game in confernce and USC lost on the road in confernce big big difference - and USC wasn't blown out they lost a close game just like UF it

There is a west coast bias , no question about it - it's unfair to these kids to not get a chance

They had a chance and blew it in Corvallis.

funny, you mention supposed mediocre teams..osu is right in that category! fla's one loss was to a better team than usc's one loss. then there's strength of schedule-and of course style points. fla smoked some good teams, made them look like division 2 opponents-and them beating the #1 team in the sec championship sure didn't hurt them.
i can see arguing for texas to be in the title game, but not usc.

exactly. you want it, win. or at least, lose to a decent team!

what exactly was ole miss in sept ??? how were they any different than OSU

and how is OSU not consider a good team right now - they got beat by OU without their best player other than that they won all their games at the end of the season

all OSU does every year is win bowl games

and again i'll point out Florida lost at Home , not on the road

what about losing to an unranked team in the swamp ??

Miss wasn't even playing good ball in Sept , go and look at their schedule
they were average at best

That is hilarious, a bias against USC? The only truly unbiased part of the BCS equation is the computers. And the computers had USC #7 in the country! The fact that they finished 5th in the BCS despite being 7th in the computers shows how biased the polls are in favor of USC.

computers rankings spit out numbers based on human inputs

is there anyone who is willing to say now after all the pac 10 bowls have been played that the confernce isn't better than what the computers say they are

i watched Oregon roll thru Ok St in the holiday bowl

Does anyone not think that USC couldn't roll thru any of these big 12 teams

Does anyone think John Parker Wilson could beat the USC defense ???

I ain't saying USC would beat Florida , but they s/b given the chance

I'm not saying they wouldn't beat Florida but they didn't earn a chance anymore than Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, or Alabama did. Alabama and Texas lost to the best teams of any of them. Florida and Oklahoma beat the best teams of any of them. USC lost to a worse team than any and didn't beat a better team than any.

The problem is the system is flawed and it is why the sport needs a playoff system so badly. I mean, what happens if Utah pulls off the unexpected tonight and beat the Tide? How would they not have the best argument to be national champions at that point? Yet the pollsters wouldn't even have the option to put them #1 if they wanted to.

Trojan D would stuff the Gators.



UF a 4 to 5-pt dog vs SC...

1.The Pac 10 teams have played mediocre teams in all their bowl games minus USC. The Pitt-OrgSt game was a joy to watch.

2. The Big 12 is greatly overrated by ESPN personalities and writers. They don't play any defense.

3. JPW would be ok vs USC defense. What about Sanchez vs Bama's D?

4. In your first post you say USC would beat FL, now you back off the statement and say they deserve to play them.

-Are you Brent Musberger?

how can you say that losing to an unranked team at home in the swamp when you have 100k plus cheering for you is a better loss than , losing on the road to a team that had basically the same record

explain to me how old miss is a better team the osu

what will you say if Utah playes 'bama down to the wire tonight???

After the USC game they lost at Utah and got beat by OU without their best player

the problem with USC is that as soon as they get out of SoCal, they fall apart. If they had to play a bowl game on a neutral field (or a road game), they'd look a whole lot worse.

The game I'd have wanted to see would have been USC-Tex, not Ok-Fl.... as Ok doesn't deserve it since Texas beat them.

Perfect reason for having a playoff, but there's so much $$ in the bowl system that none of the college presidents want to alter it.

since when do "could' and "would" have te same meaning???

they really fell apart 4 years ago when the stuck 50+ on OU in the orange bowl on the east coast

Losing at home against Miss and losing at Oregon St are both bad losses, you really can't say one is better than the other. It isn't the quality of their loss that got Florida in, it is the quality of their best win. I don't think anyone can argue that beating Alabama on a neutral field isn't a superior win to beating Ohio St at home.

1 game in 1 year is not consistancy. They were the best team that year and OU shouldn't have even played in that game.... if I remember right, they didn't even play in their conference champ game, but got in the nat champ game, which should NEVER happen.

in CFB there is a huge differnce between losing at home vs on the road
is there not?

so what who did 'bama beat this year - the sec was down , they caught UGA in a letdown game coming back from the west coast and jumped on them in the 1st half and had to hold on for dear life in the 2nd half

let's see how utah does tonight - if they give 'bama all they can handle then your case gets a lot weaker

It looks worse for USC to lose to OSC than for UF to lose to Ol Miss.

But how can anyone say Ol Miss is better than Oregon State? Oregon State has already won its bowl game (granted maybe the most boring bowl game ever played) and OSU had a terrific season, just as good as Ol Miss.

I dont think anyone can say Ol' Miss is better than OSU.

don't foreget LSU won 2 nat's titles in their home away from home - the sugar bowl - it ain't exactly like they went out west to the fiesta bowl or rose bowl to win -

You didnt watch OSU this year did you?

My two cents:

The Pac Ten has clearly shown that they are better than they are given credit for being. I think the Big 12 has done nothing so far but prove Morty right. They play no defense.

I dont buy that USC can't win on the road. I think one would have a difficult time backing up that statement. They have lost 16 games in the Pete Carroll era. 16 games and they only lost by double figures 1 time. They beat hammered a good arkansas team a few years back at Arkansas if I remember. They consistently dominate their own conference and half their games are on the road. I just dont see it.

USC can play with any team in the country. Period. If USC were to play either one of those teams in the National championship, what do you think the spread would be?

Having said all that, Florida and Oklahoma are in fair and square by the rules that are in place. Are the rules without flaw? No, this system is messed up. But it is what it is and based on that the two correct teams are there.

they showed it in vegas

USC would be favored over any team in the country
including Florida and OU (not that it matters)

BYU was highly thought of all season long and ranked 16th in the country. University of Arizona stomped them!

Oklahoma State was a very good team this year, as was Pitt & Penn State.

I very much disagree with your first point.

I very much AGREE with your second point... I think the Big 12 and there defenseless teams are overrated.