Islam and the weapon of deception
 

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/011-taqiyya.htm

Before you characters get all tight in your shorts, you should take a breath and read this piece. You should have questions about a "religious system" that advocates lying and stealth in daily activities of its' faithful!
I don't make this stuff up.

This post was brought about largely due to latest fighting in Middle East.
Try to keep the personal attacks to a minimum,please.

eh, they don't corner the market on lying to non-believers

whenever someone feels compelled to tell me they are Christian I hold on to my wallet and watch my back

if you have to tell people you are

most likely you aren't

Interesting point you bring up, but I daresay the US need not fear a violent attack from Christians.

Well come on Tim, when will anyone find to time to plan one when they're so busy taking rights away from other people?!

Aka, boooooooooooooooooring.

Unless you run a Planned Parenthood clinic

And these are not even Christians in a desperate situation.
Make em starve, poor, and without rights and just imagine what
they take up besides bombing Abortion Clinics.

are you a correspondent for FOX News?

Nope.....not a bird on a wire either!

i'm trying to figure out who is behind that website. they're deliberately opaque.

they have a hard-on for the council on american islamic relations which is a mainstream muslim organization.

and they spend a good deal of effort emphasizing they aren't racist or anti-muslim.

it's an interesting read tim but not for the reasons you think.

Well, at least you're thinking about it.

:tro:

thereligionofpeace.com is run by a guy named glen reinsford.

he seems to be a standard issue conservative fear monger except for his advocacy of banning muslim immigration to the united states. he relates it to playing russian roulette.

google him and read some of his other articles/interviews. interesting guy.

What is with the conservative fear monger title??? or do you automatically
lump those together? His website has catalogued 9570 Islamic terrorist attacks since 9/11.

I'm sure you read the link,too.:rolleyes:

i don't. there are many conservatives who aren't fear mongers.

he isn't one of those.

on the rights question

which islamic country has more rights than this western country

at least as far as women and a few other "groups"

I honestly haven't heard of them

when I am governor of Illinois I will fail to recognize the rights of people that want to take away the rights of people

This thread sucks.

^^^^^^^^
happy with his head stuck in the sand

The response is to be made aware of what and who is working against our country. No more no less. What is the process by which you "vett" a site or source? Do you take offense at the site because you perceive it to be hateful, or because you consider it to be alarmist in nature?
The site sheds light on what it believes is a threat to our country. I think that's a correct assumption.

Amazing how lazy people are when it comes to religion:

1)The Prophet that Muslims follow was a pedophile that married a nine year old.

2)He said to kill those who tried to leave the religion.

3) Said it was cool to treat women like farm animals(and said men could beat them up a little to keep them in line.)

4)Said “slay the infidels wherever ye find them,” and “smite their necks and fingertips,” showing “ruthlessness to unbelievers,”

Do you really want to compare the Christian prophet to this prophet? They aren't close, and that's why you have one particularly violent religion causing trouble for the other 3/4 of the World's population. I am not a fan of Fundamentalist Christianity, but I think it's incredibly lazy to try to say one religion is anywhere near as violent as the other. Did Jesus say to kill those who leave Christianity? I don't think so. See, this is why you see these countries where the population is almost 100% Muslim( they have the right to kill anyone who leaves Islam behind.) I can understand how people don't care about either religion, or any religion. However, it's ignorant to keep thinking Islam isn't an incredibly violent religion. The prophet himself was very violent, and they are simply following his instructions.

None. Since they don't have any rights to take away is why they have all this extra time on their hands to plan violent attacks...that's sort of the joke I was making, that Christians don't have time to plan for such attacks when they're so busy with other things.

3) Said it was cool to treat women like farm animals(and said men could beat them up a little to keep them in line.)


Sounds a little like Wisconsin sans Madison

Of course not, but when you find out that the Quran says 493 times that lying and deception are permissible to further the goal of the faith, then that seems to be a big red flag regarding relations with this group of people. How would you carry on a relationship when you knew that the other person in that relationship would lie to your face to achieve a secret goal?? Seems to me that would not bode well for a solid friendship.
Believe me when I say hesitate to even think about an entire culture based in part by Taqiyya, and building a bond with of peace with them.
ps...you probably laughed during "Schindlers List" too,huh?
pps...still waiting for an explanation of your "vetting" process for information

Your whole post is nothing but BS! You twist words into a different meaning,as usual. People who laughed at everything usually don't understand
what they're faced with..so it explains you to a "T". I'm not trying to alienate anyone...just point out some things. The "reach" part is for you to understand something BEFORE you blast it. My initial post asked for your consideration...whether you "buy" it is up to you. How 'bout for New Years and beyond you don't talk to me...that'd work just fine.

It must beyond your comprehension that anybody could pose a threat to the US. The purpose of thread was to show the stated threat to any non-believers in Islam...that is a fact, by their prophets' own words and the teachings of various sects. How many posts have you replied "I laughed"? If you laughed at this threat, then you would laugh at something as grave as Schindlers List. You could take all of the incidents in Norway,Germany, plus
France and Englands troubles with Muslims....that might give you a clue.
Yes, I know couple of Muslim families. Do you know any Christians that practice their faith?

While I don't agree with the overall premise of your post or the legitimacy and fairness of the web site or the author, I understand it's a legitimate discussion considering the World we live in. However the repeated references and connecting of disagreeing with your post to laughing at Schindler's list really is pretty low and takes away from whatever points you are trying to make.

http://www.csicop.org/si/9505/belief.html


an excerpt:


Beliefs are generated by the belief engine without any automatic concern for truth. Concern for truth is a higher order acquired cognitive orientation that reflects an underlying philosophy which presupposes an objective reality that is not always perceived by our senses.
The belief engine chugs away, strengthening old beliefs, spewing out new ones, rarely discarding any. We can sometimes see the error or foolishness in other people's beliefs. It is very difficult to see the same in our own. We believe in all sorts of things, abstract and concrete -- in the existence of the solar system, atoms, pizza, and five-star restaurants in Paris. Such beliefs are no different in principle from beliefs in fairies at the end of the garden, in ghosts in some deserted abbey, in werewolves, in satanic conspiracies, in miraculous cures, and so on. Such beliefs are all similar in form, all products of the same process, even though they vary widely in content. They may, however, involve greater or lesser involvement of the critical-thinking and emotional-response units.

Critical thinking, logic, reason, science -- these are all terms that apply in one way or another to the deliberate attempt to ferret out truth from the tangle of intuition, distorted perception, and fallible memory. The true critical thinker accepts what few people ever accept -- that one cannot routinely trust perceptions and memories. Figments of our imagination and reflections of our emotional needs can often interfere with or supplant the perception of truth and reality. Through teaching and encouraging critical thought our society will move away from irrationality, but we will never succeed in completely abandoning irrational tendencies, again because of the basic nature of the belief engine.

Experience is often a poor guide to reality. Skepticism helps us to question our experience and to avoid being too readily led to believe what is not so. We should try to remember the words of the late P. J. Bailey (in Festus: A Country Town): "Where doubt, there truth is -- 'tis her shadow."

Slow down Bob and read it slow! I didnt say Schindlers List was funny in any way. The threat isn't funny,either. At least you got that part right.

Cut to the chase,Ziggy, what are you trying to say??

I didn't say YOU thought Schindler's List was funny but it sure seemed that you were inferring that disagreeing with the website/your posts = thinking SL is "funny"..

The reference about SL was in reference to Hoss repeated posting of "I laughed". Primarily directed to him, as he came out with his usual blather towards me.

since i couldn't find the term i was looking for, i put that up. in general, folks who 'believe' a certain thing will find plenty of info to back it up, while ignoring or discounting that which contradicts what they believe.
i read what you linked in the beginning; where you're able find that it proves the u.s. is in imminent danger, i don't know....but i'm sure you feel that it's perfectly acceptable to find an entire religion to be dangerous because of a certain segment of that population, while there's no doubt in my mind you'd be apopleptic if someone was to take catholics (for instance) to task.

and now no doubt i'll be told there's no comparison...

I put thread up as a point of information. did you know anything about Taqiyya? I didn't say to string up all Muslims, did I ?? What do Catholics have to do with the topic? How do you people have conversations?...is it all soundbites or what?? Sheesh

I should have paid more attention to Comparative Religions as a freshman in college. I had a good book but threw it away

All I can speak to is from my experience being raised an Irish-Catholic and attending Catholic schools with nuns. I think I absorbed the moral teachings of Jesus, despite my early realization that the nuns were very mean spirited, unhappy people. Didn't take long after that to see the scriptures were twisted by almost all to justify their own actions. And, yes, pedophilia is an integral part of the Roman Catholic Church's culture, I believe. And that includes the current Pope