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dean smith 12-20-2008 08:21 PM

Book recommedations
 
Steve mentioned some books on racing on the show the other day that he recommended. Does anyone know what those were? They were more about the sport side or racing (as opposed to handicapping books). I remember hearing them and thinking, I don't need to write them down, I'll remember that.

Christ, I barely remembered the moment, much less the actual titles or authors.

Kasept 12-20-2008 08:43 PM

Mustang by Deanne Stillman
Tropical Downs by Mark Cramer
Man O'War by Dorothy Ours
The Home Run Horse by Glenye Cain (Oakford)
Longshot by T. D. Thornton
The Untold Story of Joe Hernandez by Rudolph Alvarado
Tales from the Triple Crown by Steve Haskin
The History and Art of 25 Travers by Vic Zast
The Great Match Race by John Eisenberg
Beyond the Track: Retraining Thoroughbred Horses by Anna Morgan Ford

SCUDSBROTHER 12-20-2008 08:48 PM

Steve, didn't you also mention The Purpose Driven Life?






ha ha

Coach Pants 12-20-2008 08:48 PM

One Fine Morning: Golden Missile by sumitas

dean smith 12-20-2008 10:05 PM

Thanks Steve!

I've actually read four of those this past year. LOVED The Great Match Race -- thought it would make a great movie.

Scurlogue Champ 12-20-2008 10:16 PM

The Romance Of Tristan And Iseult

Joseph Bedier translation

cowgirlintexas 12-20-2008 11:22 PM

Got the Man O' War book for Christmas last year..Great book! Hated for it to end.. Highly recommend :)

onebadbeast 12-21-2008 01:39 AM

DONT FORGET THE GREAT BOOK CALLED "SCARED MONEY". ITS A GREAT READ!:tro:

Cannon Shell 12-21-2008 05:50 AM

Loose Balls by Terry Pluto

Thunder Gulch 12-22-2008 10:15 AM

I can highly recommend the following:

Champions by DRF Press.
Finshed Lines by Frank Scatoni.
Raceday by Max Waltman.
Ruffian: Burning from the Start by Jane Schwartz.
Secretariat by William Nack.
Laughing in the Hills by Bill Barich.
The Best and Worst of Horse Racing by Steve Davidowitz.
Racing Through the Century by Simon& Simon.
Stud by Kevin Conley.

joeydb 12-22-2008 10:25 AM

I've been considering getting that Secretariat book. Wasn't sure how good it is -- now it's on my list.

Been reading a lot of the handicapping type of book. Will get back to historic side someday.

MaTH716 12-22-2008 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb
I've been considering getting that Secretariat book. Wasn't sure how good it is -- now it's on my list.

Been reading a lot of the handicapping type of book. Will get back to historic side someday.

The Secretariat book is a great read, I would definitely recommend it.

Thunder Gulch 12-22-2008 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716
The Secretariat book is a great read, I would definitely recommend it.

Just be sure you get the Nack book. There have been a lot of books written about Secretariat, but Nack's is outstanding. He was right there through the whole thing to give a first hand account, not just some research piece.

CSC 12-22-2008 03:16 PM

If you really, really don't like someone, I recommend ' Das Kapital ' by Karl Marx. Will put you to sleep...you might not even wake up.

Scurlogue Champ 12-22-2008 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
If you really, really don't like someone, I recommend ' Das Kapital ' by Karl Marx. Will put you to sleep...you might not even wake up.

Come on, that's a great read

westcoastinvader 12-23-2008 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch
Just be sure you get the Nack book. There have been a lot of books written about Secretariat, but Nack's is outstanding. He was right there through the whole thing to give a first hand account, not just some research piece.

I love the Sports Illustrated story on Secretariat shortly after his passing.

I still have the issue around here somewhere.

Guess I need to check out the book now.

Thanks!

westcoastinvader 12-23-2008 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Loose Balls by Terry Pluto

Pluto is great. His real time newspaper column stuff as his Dad aged and passed is a nice little pamphlet for dealing with an aging parent.

Digressing, one of his immediate predecessors at the Akron paper was a man by the name of Jack Patterson. Truly, he's the guy that turned he on to the nostalgia and romanticism of thoroughbred racing.

True, I have the actual newspaper print of his column about the passing of Secretariat nicely framed and preserved on the wall to my immediate left.

Holland Hacker 12-23-2008 06:50 AM

Man O'War by Dorothy Ours was a fantastic book and I highly recommend it.

I even got my friend to have the author speak at a meet & greet the author at the local Library (Hunterdon County, NJ) as she lives near by. Her presentation was a canned presentation about Man O'War and included some neat photos but afterwards there was a great dialouge about the racing. Much to my surprise there were about 20 - 25 people there, in a county where there are only 1 or 2 places you can get a racing form. Some people actually drove up from the Philly area to attend, about an hour.

hoovesupsideyourhead 12-23-2008 07:23 AM

haskins books..

Thunder Gulch 12-23-2008 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by westcoastinvader
I love the Sports Illustrated story on Secretariat shortly after his passing.

I still have the issue around here somewhere.

Guess I need to check out the book now.

Thanks!

The "Pure Heart" essay is included the most recent edition of the book at the end.

dean smith 12-23-2008 10:35 PM

I don't think anyone has mentioned a book called "Three Strides Before the Wire" by Elizabeth Mitchell. This book is great. It follows D. Wayne Lukas, Chris Antley (as he self-destructs) and Charismatic during his 1999 Triple Crown run. If you like recent racing history, it's a must read.

CSC 12-24-2008 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scurlogue Champ
Come on, that's a great read

I'll pick it up right after I'm thru with War and Peace. ;)

infield_line 12-24-2008 10:06 AM

Horse of a Different Color, the Monarchos Story
 
Can't remember the author, but was written by the breeder of Monarchos, and besides being an extremely witty book, it gives you a first hand look into the breeding game and how incredibly tough it is to get a foal to the winners circle on the 1st sat in May..... I highly recommend.

of course, there are a wide range of essential reads, I would start with the Handicapper's Condition Book by Quinn.. actually I love anything he has written.

Happy Holidays,

I/L

Kasept 12-26-2008 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infield_line
Can't remember the author, but was written by the breeder of Monarchos, and besides being an extremely witty book, it gives you a first hand look into the breeding game and how incredibly tough it is to get a foal to the winners circle on the 1st sat in May..... I highly recommend.

^^^ Jim Squires

Kasept 12-26-2008 06:37 AM

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/others...6_larry25.html

Column in the Seattle P-I the other day by Larry Lee Palmer that offers his Top 10 racing books of all time.. A very complete list too...

1. "Big Red of Meadow Stable: Secretariat, the Making of a Champion," by William Nack.

2. "The Honest Rainmaker: The Life and Times of Col. John R. Stingo," fabulous figure of track and ring, by A.J. Liebling. Several all-time-best lists rate Liebling's masterpiece "The Sweet Science" as the best book ever written about sport. "The Honest Rainmaker" is simply the most dazzling account of a racetrack con man/provocateur/turf writer ever written. The schemes and aphorisms of James A. McDonald -- aka Stingo -- are a measuring stick by which other would-be railbird racketeers will forever be measured. My favorite line: "Fortune swims, not in the main stream of letters, but in the shallows where the suckers moon."

3. "Seabiscuit," by Laura Hillenbrand.

4. "Memories of a Bookie's Son," by Sidney Offit. This tour de force centers on the life of Buckley Offit, then the biggest bookie in the U.S. outside the mob. As moving as it is tantalizing, this slim volume transcends classification. The complexities and angst of the father-son relationship explode over its pages in patient, weathered prose. Kurt Vonnegut said, "These are literate, affectionate portraits of a Baltimore bookmaker by his law-abiding son. This book is no joke. This is beauty."

5. "Laughing in the Hills," by Bill Barich. This is an insightful and reflective treatise about the author's dark hour -- haunted by illness and death in the family -- in which he took refuge in a season at his local racetrack. Described on the dust jacket of the original hardbound edition as "part pilgrimage, part meditation, part reflection in a fun-house mirror," it established Barich's enduring reputation in modern racetrack lore.

6. "A Hoofprint on my Heart," by Jim Coleman. An out-of-print memoir by Canada's most celebrated horse racing columnist, you can still buy hardbound copies at Abebooks.com for a pittance. The book is full of stories of bootlegging and betting coups and unsavory characters you really want to meet in the flesh by the Mike Royko of horse racing scribes. Hard-bitten and hard sent, Coleman will regale you with ribald tales well into the wee hours.

7. "The Bookmaker's Daughter," by Shirley Abbott. This was a New York Times Notable Book of the Year in 1991 for good reason. Alfred Abbott was not a bookmaker, as he told his wife during courtship. His craft was taking bets on horses, and he was a master. A gentleman bandit, Abbott also loved to read, and introduced his only daughter into the world of letters. You'll be glad he did; Shirley Abbott writes a searing memoir rich in sociology and Southern myth that courageously probes the past to reveal a universal liberation on these printed pages. It's a fascinating character study of "a charming, dangerous man."

8. "Wild Ride," by Anne Hagedorn Auerbach.

9. "Not by a Long Shot: A Season at a Hard Luck Horse Track," by T.D. Thornton.

10. "My Days With Erroll Flynn," by Buster Wiles, with William Donati.

Danzig 12-26-2008 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSC
I'll pick it up right after I'm thru with War and Peace. ;)

all kidding aside, that's actually a very good book.

Danzig 12-26-2008 07:09 AM

haven't seen the seabiscuit book mentioned yet, it's pretty good-much better than the movie.
also recommend 'my racing heart' by nan mooney. i also have all the thoroughbred legends books, easy to read, enjoyable enough.

Linny 12-26-2008 07:21 AM

This Was Racing by Joe Palmer. A collection of Palmer's witty wrtings puplished posthumously in 1953 or so. Great stuff. It shows you that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Every racing fan must have a copy of Champions as a reference. No greater book has been published to provide perspective.

I agree about Nack's Secretariat.

Those who follow breeding and the history of racing should have Bloodlines by Abram Hewitt.

Wild Ride was also a great book. It's available in many libraries but is not catalogued as a racing book. Look for it in the business section.

In terms of handicapping. I like Crist's writing style so I like Exotic Betting and Quinn's Handicappers Condition Book. is a must read.

Thunder Gulch 12-26-2008 11:41 AM

Agree that Wild Ride was a fantastic book.

Gate Dancer 12-26-2008 12:20 PM

Another fine read is 'Tarnished Crown' by Carol Flake

Details the trials and tribulations of Chiefs Crown.


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