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Quiet Chris 12-10-2008 05:36 PM

Odds someone in Obama Administration will go to jail
 
Before year 1 is over 3-1

After year 1 2-5


Nobody will go 100-1

Quiet Chris 12-10-2008 05:37 PM

I will take after year 1 at 2-5.

I will say Rahm Emmanuel will cripple Obama.

jwkniska 12-10-2008 07:18 PM

Rahm or Axelrod, or probably both

Axelrod was head of Blago's election campaign, before signing on with Obama.

dellinger63 12-10-2008 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
Rahm or Axelrod, or probably both

Axelrod was head of Blago's election campaign, before signing on with Obama.

Either they turned him in or alL 3 are gone! I'll take the under......

timmgirvan 12-10-2008 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
Rahm or Axelrod, or probably both

Axelrod was head of Blago's election campaign, before signing on with Obama.

THAT's turning out well!

dellinger63 12-10-2008 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmgirvan
THAT's turning out well!

Hoping he is Advisor B ( described as a Wash based political consutant) Of course and I admit (courtesy of GBbob i am a conspiracy guy).

GBBob 12-10-2008 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
Rahm or Axelrod, or probably both

Axelrod was head of Blago's election campaign, before signing on with Obama.

um..Johm, Steve amd Timmi...before you boys all get all lubed up..get your facts straight. Here's is a quote from and about Axelrod..I'll post the link next

Axelrod had worked for Blagojevich in his past races for the House, but he declined to work on his gubernatorial run.

"He had been my client and I had a very good relationship with him, but I didn't sign on to the governor's race," Axelrod told the New Yorker. "Obviously he won, but I had concerns about it...I was concerned about whether he was ready for that. Not so much for the race but for governing. I was concerned about some of the folks -- I was concerned about how the race was being approached."

And the link is not a lefty puff piece...It quotes Obama plenty endorsing Blago...as almost every Dem did at that time.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...ons-arise.html

dellinger63 12-10-2008 07:47 PM

Rezko Tie Links Obama and Blagojevich

Tuesday, December 9, 2008 3:36 PM

By: David A. Patten Article Font Size




President-elect Barack Obama’s ties to arrested Illinois Democratic Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich run primarily through Chicago slum lord and felon Tony Rezko.

Rezko served as the political godfather for both Blagojevich and Obama, helping both to rise in Chicago and Illinois politics. Obama himself has credited Rezko with helping to his political career.

Rezko raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for both politicians.

A 76-page FBI affidavit released today after the arrest of Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, says Blagojevich conspired “to sell” the Illinois Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama.

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald called the effort to barter the seat the “most sinister and appalling” of a long list of accusations against Blagojevich. Blagojevich, as governor, is responsible for naming Obama’s replacement.

Rezko has had extensive ties to both men:


Rezko’s Ties to Obama



According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the two met in 1990 while Obama was still attending Harvard Law School. Rezko offered Obama a job, but Obama declined.


In 1995, Obama billed 32 hours for work done on behalf of Woodlawn Preservation and Investment Corp., a company involved in a low-income housing partnership with Rezko. He also wrote letters supporting the proposed development.


Rezko was Obama’s second largest individual contributor when he began his run for an Illinois state Senate seat in 1995. Two Rezko companies contributed $2,000 to Obama’s campaign, and Rezko and wife Rita reportedly worked on Obama’s campaign.


In the first half of 1997, according to a report by Newsmax Contributing Editor Kenneth R. Timmerman, two Rezko companies contributed $2,000 to Obama’s ongoing political operation.


In the first half of 1998, Rezko provided Obama’s campaign food worth an estimated $457.70 as an “in-kind contribution.”


Rezko was one of Obama’s biggest contributors when he ran for U.S. Senate in 2003 and 2004, and Rezko was a member of Obama’s campaign finance committee, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.


In June 2003, Rezko held a ritzy fund-raiser for Obama at his tony Wilmette mansion. Obama later said, “Rezko was not my largest fundraiser but a significant fundraiser.” According to Reuters, Obama said Rezko raised as much as $250,000.


In 2005, as news began to spread that federal authorities were investigating Rezko, Obama bought a house in Chicago’s Kenwood neighborhood for $1.65 million. Rezko’s wife, Rita, paid $625,000 for a lot adjacent to Obama’s new home, and the two deals closed on the same day.


Seven months later, Rezko’s wife sold one-sixth of her lot – a 10-foot strip of a 60-foot lot -- to Obama for $104,500.


In December 2006, Obama told the Washington Post the deal was a “boneheaded” mistake. “There’s no doubt I should have seen some red flags in terms of me purchasing a piece of property from him,” Obama said.


The Post reports Rezko and Obama later “collaborated” to construct a fence to divide the two properties, which Obama said was required by city code. Obama paid for lawn maintenance for both properties.


In March 2008, Obama said Rezko had raised up to $250,000 to help underwrite his prior campaigns in Illinois – a much higher figure than had previously been reported.


Rezko helped Obama’s presidential campaign raise over $150,000. The campaign later donated Rezko’s contributions to charity.


Rezko Ties to Blagojevich



The FBI says between June 2001 and August 2004 Rezko raised over $1.4 million for Blagojevich’s political campaigns, according to the Los Angeles Times. (Blagojevich was elected governor of Illinois in 2002, and reelected in 2006.)


Rezko hosted Blagojevich’s first post-election party at his mansion. Although he had no official role in the Blagojevich administration, he reportedly participated in several Blagojevich strategy retreats.


In October 2006, authorities indicted Rezko for soliciting kickbacks from companies seeking state contracts that were awarded by officials under the governor’s authority. According to the Los Angeles Times and others, $20,000 that Rezko garnered from kickbacks found its way via a middleman into Obama’s Senate campaign coffers.


Rezko’s June 2008 trial on corruption strongly implicated Blagojevich. Blagojevich allegedly discussed a state job for a donor, after that donor wrote a $25,000 check for his campaign.


During the trial, prosecutors maintained that Rezko routinely arranged shakedowns while serving as a top Blagojevich adviser.


In all, prosecutors said, Rezko squeezed various companies for some $7 million in kickbacks.


Following his conviction on 16 counts of fraud, money laundering, and aiding and abetting bribery, Rezko said federal authorities tried to pressure him “to tell the wrong things” about the Obama and Blagojevich. The Sun-Times reported prosecutors pushed Rezko to cooperate in the corruption probe against Blagojevich.


It should be noted that Obama has consistently stated he never intervened on behalf of Rezko in any state or federal business. Authorities have yet to suggest any wrongdoing on the part of either Obama or his staff.

GBBob 12-10-2008 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
Before year 1 is over 3-1

After year 1 2-5


Nobody will go 100-1

Quiet Rush...I'll take that bet. You pick which post from which thread you decide you want to back, and I'll put up any amount you want that Obama is not touched by this mess. And you can even have a say in who decides the winner.

GBBob 12-10-2008 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Rezko Tie Links Obama and Blagojevich

Tuesday, December 9, 2008 3:36 PM

By: David A. Patten Article Font Size




President-elect Barack Obama’s ties to arrested Illinois Democratic Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich run primarily through Chicago slum lord and felon Tony Rezko.

Rezko served as the political godfather for both Blagojevich and Obama, helping both to rise in Chicago and Illinois politics. Obama himself has credited Rezko with helping to his political career.

Rezko raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for both politicians.

A 76-page FBI affidavit released today after the arrest of Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, says Blagojevich conspired “to sell” the Illinois Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama.

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald called the effort to barter the seat the “most sinister and appalling” of a long list of accusations against Blagojevich. Blagojevich, as governor, is responsible for naming Obama’s replacement.

Rezko has had extensive ties to both men:


Rezko’s Ties to Obama



According to the Chicago Sun-Times, the two met in 1990 while Obama was still attending Harvard Law School. Rezko offered Obama a job, but Obama declined.


In 1995, Obama billed 32 hours for work done on behalf of Woodlawn Preservation and Investment Corp., a company involved in a low-income housing partnership with Rezko. He also wrote letters supporting the proposed development.


Rezko was Obama’s second largest individual contributor when he began his run for an Illinois state Senate seat in 1995. Two Rezko companies contributed $2,000 to Obama’s campaign, and Rezko and wife Rita reportedly worked on Obama’s campaign.


In the first half of 1997, according to a report by Newsmax Contributing Editor Kenneth R. Timmerman, two Rezko companies contributed $2,000 to Obama’s ongoing political operation.


In the first half of 1998, Rezko provided Obama’s campaign food worth an estimated $457.70 as an “in-kind contribution.”


Rezko was one of Obama’s biggest contributors when he ran for U.S. Senate in 2003 and 2004, and Rezko was a member of Obama’s campaign finance committee, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.


In June 2003, Rezko held a ritzy fund-raiser for Obama at his tony Wilmette mansion. Obama later said, “Rezko was not my largest fundraiser but a significant fundraiser.” According to Reuters, Obama said Rezko raised as much as $250,000.


In 2005, as news began to spread that federal authorities were investigating Rezko, Obama bought a house in Chicago’s Kenwood neighborhood for $1.65 million. Rezko’s wife, Rita, paid $625,000 for a lot adjacent to Obama’s new home, and the two deals closed on the same day.


Seven months later, Rezko’s wife sold one-sixth of her lot – a 10-foot strip of a 60-foot lot -- to Obama for $104,500.


In December 2006, Obama told the Washington Post the deal was a “boneheaded” mistake. “There’s no doubt I should have seen some red flags in terms of me purchasing a piece of property from him,” Obama said.


The Post reports Rezko and Obama later “collaborated” to construct a fence to divide the two properties, which Obama said was required by city code. Obama paid for lawn maintenance for both properties.


In March 2008, Obama said Rezko had raised up to $250,000 to help underwrite his prior campaigns in Illinois – a much higher figure than had previously been reported.


Rezko helped Obama’s presidential campaign raise over $150,000. The campaign later donated Rezko’s contributions to charity.


Rezko Ties to Blagojevich



The FBI says between June 2001 and August 2004 Rezko raised over $1.4 million for Blagojevich’s political campaigns, according to the Los Angeles Times. (Blagojevich was elected governor of Illinois in 2002, and reelected in 2006.)


Rezko hosted Blagojevich’s first post-election party at his mansion. Although he had no official role in the Blagojevich administration, he reportedly participated in several Blagojevich strategy retreats.


In October 2006, authorities indicted Rezko for soliciting kickbacks from companies seeking state contracts that were awarded by officials under the governor’s authority. According to the Los Angeles Times and others, $20,000 that Rezko garnered from kickbacks found its way via a middleman into Obama’s Senate campaign coffers.


Rezko’s June 2008 trial on corruption strongly implicated Blagojevich. Blagojevich allegedly discussed a state job for a donor, after that donor wrote a $25,000 check for his campaign.


During the trial, prosecutors maintained that Rezko routinely arranged shakedowns while serving as a top Blagojevich adviser.


In all, prosecutors said, Rezko squeezed various companies for some $7 million in kickbacks.


Following his conviction on 16 counts of fraud, money laundering, and aiding and abetting bribery, Rezko said federal authorities tried to pressure him “to tell the wrong things” about the Obama and Blagojevich. The Sun-Times reported prosecutors pushed Rezko to cooperate in the corruption probe against Blagojevich.


It should be noted that Obama has consistently stated he never intervened on behalf of Rezko in any state or federal business. Authorities have yet to suggest any wrongdoing on the part of either Obama or his staff.

Steve..post something new...again..old news

and thank you...it's actually complimentary to Barack

hi_im_god 12-10-2008 08:12 PM

is every republican in illinois foaming at the mouth or just the ones posting here?

GBBob 12-10-2008 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
is every republican in the World foaming at the mouth or just the ones posting here?

FTFY

hi_im_god 12-10-2008 08:16 PM

i want to beat the rush.

someone needs to introduce a bill of impeachment.

jwkniska 12-10-2008 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i want to beat the rush.

someone needs to introduce a bill of impeachment.

state legislature starts to meet on Monday. couple of them have already said they're drawing it up now (and they're democrats, not republicans).

GBBob 12-10-2008 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
state legislature starts to meet on Monday. couple of them have already said they're drawing it up now (and they're democrats, not republicans).

umm..he was talking about Obama..sarcastically

jwkniska 12-10-2008 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
um..Johm, Steve amd Timmi...before you boys all get all lubed up..get your facts straight. Here's is a quote from and about Axelrod..I'll post the link next

Axelrod had worked for Blagojevich in his past races for the House, but he declined to work on his gubernatorial run.

"He had been my client and I had a very good relationship with him, but I didn't sign on to the governor's race," Axelrod told the New Yorker. "Obviously he won, but I had concerns about it...I was concerned about whether he was ready for that. Not so much for the race but for governing. I was concerned about some of the folks -- I was concerned about how the race was being approached."

And the link is not a lefty puff piece...It quotes Obama plenty endorsing Blago...as almost every Dem did at that time.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...ons-arise.html

if that's true, then channel 5 screwed up their newscast last night and this afternoon. I hope Barack isn't dragged into any of the indictments, unless he's absolutely 100% guilty without a shadow of doubt (which I don't believe to be the case). However, Rahm and Axelrod are about as straight as a 3-dollar bill, especially Rahm. Even Clinton's on camera saying that he'll double talk or double cross you if it's to his benefit.

dellinger63 12-10-2008 08:32 PM

old news but all together looks like a masterpiece. and that's not with Ayer's "Barak is a good family friend" in his new book and Barak, "We had an office space together" Stinks as well but again conspiracy.

GBBob 12-10-2008 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
if that's true, then channel 5 screwed up their newscast last night and this afternoon. I hope Barack isn't dragged into any of the indictments, unless he's absolutely 100% guilty without a shadow of doubt (which I don't believe to be the case). However, Rahm and Axelrod are about as straight as a 3-dollar bill, especially Rahm. Even Clinton's on camera saying that he'll double talk or double cross you if it's to his benefit.

I'm curious...what do you think Obama is exactly GUILTY of...and the key word is guilty? Besides being a liberal.

hi_im_god 12-10-2008 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
umm..he was talking about Obama..sarcastically

co-sign.

jwkniska 12-10-2008 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
I'm curious...what do you think Obama is exactly GUILTY of...and the key word is guilty? Besides being a liberal.

like I said, I don't think Obama's guilty of anything, or at least I hope not... now, some of his appointees, that's a totally different story.

hi_im_god 12-10-2008 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
I'm curious...what do you think Obama is exactly GUILTY of...and the key word is guilty? Besides not being a dittohead.

ftfy.

GBBob 12-10-2008 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
like I said, I don't think Obama's guilty of anything, or at least I hope not... now, some of his appointees, that's a totally different story.

ok..re-read your post..got it.

dellinger63 12-10-2008 08:38 PM

Axelrod admitted on camera they had talked to Blago about the candiate seat. All over. Then he recanted. Like I said either Rahm is an informer or this will be Nixon times 100.

hi_im_god 12-10-2008 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Axelrod admitted on camera they had talked to Blago about the candiate seat. All over. Then he recanted. Like I said either Rahm is an informer or this will be Nixon times 100.

i'm fairly sure you can look forward to convincing yourself it's nixon x 100.

3kings 12-10-2008 08:42 PM

Listen guys, I'm a republican and I didn't vote for Obama, but give the guy a chance. All this crap, none of which will stick, is just nonsense. Obama is who this country and the rest of the world wanted so give him a chance. Maybe he can help the country and the rest of the worlds view of this country. It is pretty depressing right now so lets move forward and not discredit our new leader.

GBBob 12-10-2008 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Axelrod admitted on camera they had talked to Blago about the candiate seat. All over. Then he recanted. Like I said either Rahm is an informer or this will be Nixon times 100.

You guys want this so bad you can't help yourself. To compare Obama's role...which at this point is nothing and will probably be nothing to Nixon and to compare Rahm to Deep Throat is nuts.

I'm surprised Axelrod recanted. Why shouldn't he talk to Blago about the Senate seat. I (Blago) certainly would ask the NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES his opinion...or solicit it, if that is your cup of tea. And it's pretty damn obvious how far he ( Blago) got by the indictment.

hi_im_god 12-10-2008 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3kings
Listen guys, I'm a republican and I didn't vote for Obama, but give the guy a chance. All this crap, none of which will stick, is just nonsense. Obama is who this country and the rest of the world wanted so give him a chance. Maybe he can help the country and the rest of the worlds view of this country. It is pretty depressing right now so lets move forward and not discredit our new leader.

ignore this man.

stick with associating with terrorists, being a socialist, and totally corrupt.

these idea's are working.

jwkniska 12-10-2008 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
You guys want this so bad you can't help yourself. To compare Obama's role...which at this point is nothing and will probably be nothing to Nixon and to compare Rahm to Deep Throat is nuts.

I'm surprised Axelrod recanted. Why shouldn't he talk to Blago about the Senate seat. I (Blago) certainly would ask the NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES his opinion...or solicit it, if that is your cup of tea. And it's pretty damn obvious how far he ( Blago) got by the indictment.

I wasn't surprised, Axelrod's not trustworthy. However, if I'm Barack and wasn't consulted about a seat I'm giving up, I'd be totally ticked off. Was very surprised that he said he didn't talk to Blago about it, which I find almost impossible to believe. (should have said he gave Blago a recommendation, that's it... and left it at that).

dellinger63 12-10-2008 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBBob
You guys want this so bad you can't help yourself. To compare Obama's role...which at this point is nothing and will probably be nothing to Nixon and to compare Rahm to Deep Throat is nuts.

I'm surprised Axelrod recanted. Why shouldn't he talk to Blago about the Senate seat. I (Blago) certainly would ask the NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES his opinion...or solicit it, if that is your cup of tea. And it's pretty damn obvious how far he ( Blago) got by the indictment.

FOX news Chicago took the feed off. Lawsuit ie Axelrod et al? Recanted, like Clinton recanted 'is'.

GBBob 12-10-2008 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwkniska
I wasn't surprised, Axelrod's not trustworthy. However, if I'm Barack and wasn't consulted about a seat I'm giving up, I'd be totally ticked off. Was very surprised that he said he didn't talk to Blago about it, which I find almost impossible to believe. (should have said he gave Blago a recommendation, that's it... and left it at that).



But if he didn't, why should he say that? You think he didn't know the sh*t storm that was coming Blago's way? This is something that you totally let your people deal with so, when this goes down, you can say exactly what he is saying now..the truth.

dellinger63 12-10-2008 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
FOX news Chicago took the feed off. Lawsuit ie Axelrod et al? Recanted, like Clinton recanted 'is'.

Asked what contact he'd had with the governor's office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

But on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a "kingmaker," Axelrod said, "I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them."

dellinger63 12-10-2008 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Asked what contact he'd had with the governor's office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

But on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a "kingmaker," Axelrod said, "I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them."

UPDATE #2: Axelrod this evening issued a statement saying. "I was mistaken when I told an interviewer last month that the President-elect has spoken directly to Governor Blagojevich about the Senate vacancy. They did not then or at any time discuss the subject.")

hi_im_god 12-10-2008 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
FOX news Chicago took the feed off. Lawsuit ie Axelrod et al? Recanted, like Clinton recanted 'is'.

"all i get is a thank you very much? f that mother f'er."

mother f'er is clearly guilty of conspiracy.

GBBob 12-10-2008 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
Asked what contact he'd had with the governor's office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

But on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a "kingmaker," Axelrod said, "I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them."

Give me a break..Post the link #1

and you can read 10 things into both quotes..

dellinger63 12-10-2008 09:02 PM

I know he's talked to the governor is all u need IMO

Honu 12-10-2008 09:03 PM

Mr Obama has never known about anything about anyone who ever did anything shifty EVER.

GBBob 12-10-2008 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dellinger63
I know he's talked to the governor is all u need IMO

To what?

dalakhani 12-10-2008 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3kings
Listen guys, I'm a republican and I didn't vote for Obama, but give the guy a chance. All this crap, none of which will stick, is just nonsense. Obama is who this country and the rest of the world wanted so give him a chance. Maybe he can help the country and the rest of the worlds view of this country. It is pretty depressing right now so lets move forward and not discredit our new leader.

This is a great post. I had the same attitude in 2000 with Bush. We are all Americans. Maybe he isnt the man for the job. I think he is but maybe he isnt. Either way, I hope all of you guys out there bashing him are at the same time praying that you are wrong about him.

GBBob 12-10-2008 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honu
Mr Obama has never known about anything about anyone who ever did anything shifty EVER.

He indicted Billy Idol for singing sh*tty songs

dalakhani 12-10-2008 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honu
Mr Obama has never known about anything about anyone who ever did anything shifty EVER.

Name one president in the last fifty years that hasnt known or associated with someone or some people that the public would deem "less than desirable".

It is a fact that politicians shake many hands. Sometimes those hands arent so clean and if you think bush 1 or 2, clinton, reagan, nixon were any different...i dont know what to tell you.


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