If there is a 9/11 scale attack on US soil in the next 24 months
 

Would it be the fault of the Obama administration's shift in policies?

Won't happen. They killed 44 sheep to give him good luck.

If you are going to blame Obama then I'm assuming you would also be blaming Bush for the first one right?

I don't think anything is going to happen. I think something might have had McCain or Clinton been elected. Not with Obama though. That part of the world views him different than they would view anyone else that would have been elected as president. I don't think it's too far fetched to believe that it will be a part of their thought process to not embarrass the black man. I've talked to a few Islamic and Arab people and that's the vibe that I've gotten; they feel like Obama is someone that's going to be more sympathetic towards them, even if it's just a little bit. Not easy on them but just a little bit easier to deal with as far as talking and trying to resolve things. One person said to me "we know that Obama is our best chance to get peace over there because when he walks in a room to negotiate with them, they will see someone that looks like them as opposed to the usual white, military man that wants to just go to war with them." He said that basically, they would have seen McCain as another Bush, whom they hate and they would have had a hard time negotiating with Clinton, who's not only white but is also a woman and you know how they feel about women over there.

We'll see what happens but I don't think there will be anything major happening.

Good points KG, I agree that many folks around the world celebrated Obama's victory...and that's a good thing! It's a harsh world and an attack could come regardless of who is President. I blame Bush for a lot of stuff...9-11 isn't one.

i also don't believe, and hope, that there will be another 9//11 style attack. we've become much more aware these days....our safety, due partly to geograpy(we are literally an ocean away from many folks who wish us harm) isn't quite so assured in this day and age with travel being easier. we learned that lesson a hard way.
i don't know that it's easy tho to say that a change in leader alone guarantees anything-we're still the united states, and many still wish us ill. by the same token, i think everyone is as sick of bush as we've become, so at this point anything is an improvement.

the change by bush to pre-emptive strikes was a mistake. that doesn't mean sit and wait for a 9/11 attack, but certainly going across borders into syria and pakistan without those govts approval has got to stop.

ditto

but I'm waiting for Timmi to post that he blames Clinton

I can't believe I actually read this thread...Dala are you high? you've written a bunch of ridiculous buillsh*t but this one ranks up there with PG1985

I personally don't think that there will be another 9-11 style attack. Security is too high at airports. Plus most importantly, people won't sit idle anymore. The days of being hi-jacked to just go to Cuba are over. Passangers know what the end result will be and band together to try to stop the terrorists.

That being said, I really don't think it matters who is in office. These people hate America and what America stands for. Therefore they would try to attack us no matter who the president is, given the opportunity. I believe that eventually there will be another attack, but nothing to the scale and devestation of 9/11.

I blame Clintom for alot but not 9-11:eek:

However, I think the honeymoon with Obama will be over relatively shortly, unless he completely 'bends over' to the demands of the enemies of our country.

if he keeps putting all the effort he can into preventing this (like we have been the last 7 years), then no.

If he decides to lessen "homeland security" then I may be upset eventhough its not like Obama will be happy either.

why do you feel this way? Is it ridiculous to think that there could be another attack? Is it ridiculous to think that the new administration would probably be blamed?

Way too soon to establish blame for an act that hasn't occurred! It's foolish to think there aren't plans in motion now to harm this country and its' citizens, here and abroad. Our initial response will probably be good, as our security infrastructure is secure(needs tweaks) What happens after that is up to the leaders of our country....Then you can blame and debate it!

i'm way ahead of you. i've been working out the math on who's to blame for sarah palin's election in 2012.

it's narrowed down to 2 demographics. humorless conservative's and horny guys. i'll report back when i've finalized my results.

and the answer to your question is no. it isn't obama's fault. it's the jews.

i mean...duh!

I see you've been talking to the Pope again!.....we'll probably be ready for your report in 2010....when the new campaigns start up

The only thing I predict if there's another attack is that, just like last time, the people farthest from the actual destruction will be the ones who act the most outraged and hurt.

"It was so sad watching those towers fall ON TV".. "I can't believe they attacked US like that".. "How are WE ever supposed to recover from having to watch that on TV?"

I couldn't have said it better myself.
This thread is stupid, and I mean like Sarah Palin stupid.

Yes because there wasn't a shortage of New Yorkers wearing NYPD and FDNY hats.

Yeah, keep telling me about how scholars arent calling the bush admin socialist either.

What?

i just hope after it happens we do the right thing.

everyone knows iran-u.s. relations have been strained since ayatollah khomieni assassinated kennedy and then flew 2 commercial airliners into the world trade center, killing thousands of innocent american's in the worst attack since iranian pilot's bombed pearl harbor.

i just pray if we occupy iran we don't leave until they return the lindbergh baby and admit to the acts of unjust violence they've committed like the boston massacre, the sinking of the maine, and the u.s. invasion of iraq.

C'mon God. Remember, Obama plans to SHIFT US attitude toward the region. ;)

That's not fair Coach. If you lived in the tri-state area, there was a good chance that you knew someone who was either fortunate enough to survive that day or sadly lost their life. Not to mention all the police and firefighters that perished that day in the line of duty. They were from units all over the city. I personally knew 6 people that died that day. Many of the hats and shirts that New Yorkers wore and still wear were from fund raisers for the families of police and fireman. It was the most tragic day in the history of the country, the hats and shirts were all about showing support, solidarity, strength and respect. It sounds crazy, but it seemed that everyone in NY bonded together as one big family, to support and grieve with each other during that very sad time. The whole city mourned together for weeks, I will never forget it.

If a mod is going to repeatedly say stupid sh.it then i'm going to return serve.

:rolleyes:

Stop taking everything so personally. I get a little annoyed by constantly hearing how people who weren't even close to NYC were affected by 9/11. These people are also usually the ones who, simultaneously, parrot bullshit about NYC and other big cities being "elitist," not having "values," being "unpatriotic," whatever the ****.

These are also the same people who support wars and other radical military action, because they know that if another attack happens, it's not going to be anywhere near them.

If you're not one of these people, then what the hell do you care? But I'm sick of people supposedly being up in arms about something that happened in our city, then shitting on us left and right. If you don't want to hear it, I really don't care.

i'm not close to new york, but had a brother in sister in d.c. which was also hit that day. it's not as tho it was an attack just on new york-it may have been centered there, but it was an attack on the country.
this would be like saying only hawaiians should have taken issue with japan when they attacked pearl harbor.

Dude, it happened to the country as a WHOLE. The cocksucking cowards accomplished their goal of creating widespread panic, they werent just singling out NYC or even DC for that matter. Were the citizens on the left coast just supposed to shrug it off like it was nathan?? The simple fact that an attack like that became feasible (I, for one, thought that style of attack was unfathomable) is enough to send shockwaves and feelings of complete distress throughout the land.

I'm pretty sure that if Ahmed Ressam had not been caught at the border and was able to play out his attack on the west coast, it would have rattled the cages of us over on this side of the country. Where it happens makes no difference to me, whether it be in my backyard or in Wyoming. The fact remains that it finally happened on OUR soil and it woke me the phuck up for sure.

Go f.uck yourself. Don't tell me what to do and how to react, s.hit for brains.

Quite frankly I'm sick of your insulated elitist NYC attitude. Take wall street and shove it up your arse, Wu-Tang.

I think Ateam and Math have a point. I dont think you had to be here or close to here to feel the shock, sadness or fear brought on by the attacks. However, I think if you were here or close to here you would have a different understanding.

And it is interesting that much of the judgement of us "liberal elitist" and our attitude toward war and terror comes from bible bangers from the sticks who have not a clue of what it is like to wonder if your friend or family member was among the dead.

This post isnt aimed at anyone at all so please dont anyone get defensive.

So "bible bangers" and the rest of us in the sticks don't know about tragedy?

Unbelievable.

...and f.uck United 93 because it crashed in the sticks.


:rolleyes:

Thats not what i said.

I said you would have a different understanding of what went down if you were close to the action.

You miss the point but of course that is because you choose to.

:rolleyes:

Yes if I were close to the action I would have 3rd degree burns.

To claim some kind of greater understanding due to living in a 45 mile radius is laughable and disrespectful to the dead, IMHO.

I wish the people who died in these tragedies were replaced with people like you and ateam. Self-important f.ucktards.

i doubt it. everyone understands trauma and tragedy, and a lot of people are affected. folks down here had relatives and friends there. i don't understand why people who live there think they have a monopoly on understanding how things really were.

OH God. Spare me you ignorant hillbilly.

i guess you are right. I guess someone like yourself in a trailer park in kentucky would have the same perspective on the attacks as someone that was about 5 minutes away.

I can tell you that i can't begin to underrstand what it was like to be on or close to lower manhattan that day. I dont think anyone can understand what it was like being in pearl harbor on dec 7 1941 unless you were there. And if you werent close to the pentagon that day, you dont really understand it either.

It doesnt mean that people that werent there werent traumatized and didnt have the right to be. Not the point at all. Its just a totally different understanding being stuck in a jam, watching the smoke billow, hearing the sirens, listening to the radio and wondering what the f.uck is going to happen next.

D, I believe that people around the whole country were affected. Sure people had family and friends in those buildings. For a while no one knew how many planes were comprimised and where they were heading. Not to mention what the future implications of the days actions were going to be for evreyone else.

As far as the monopoly goes, I do believe that unless you were there, you really have no idea how scary the whole situation was. People saw the whole thing unfold on TV, but there were people who expierenced/lived it. The whole world saw the 2nd plane hit the building on live TV. I felt the heat from the explosion being about 100 yards away. Everyone saw the buildings collapse, but there were people still in the actually building, in the immediate area and adjacent buildings. There was just so much going on and so much confusion. Should we stay in the building? Should we head for the bridge? I am sure that the whole country felt the sadness and the anger watching on tv, but if you were in downtown NY on 9/11/01 you were just trying to get out of there alive.

I am sure the same applies for the people that lived the same nightmare at the pentagon.

my point is that over the years, many people everywhere have dealt with things like you just described. it's not confined to d.c., new york, or oklahoma city for example. not everything is a terrorist attack, but there's tragedy unfolding in one way or another all over. people get it.
i used to live just outside d.c. had an uncle, and later my brother on the fire dept (my bro was there with the pentagon stuff), my dad was a cop in d.c. for 20 years, so he can tell you first hand knowledge about all that-we lived thru some scary times up there. and that's my point. i live here, in mid america now, and i know how people felt and reacted to okla city, and to new york. they might not have been breathing in the smoke, but they get it. and that's the point i'm trying to convey. people shouldn't belittle others and say they don't get it just because they weren't standing right there next to you. by 'you', i don't mean you specifically...