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eajinabi

11-02-2008 09:40 PM

Zenyatta Vs. Nashobas Key Vs. Rags to Riches

Who would win?

blackthroatedwind

11-02-2008 09:42 PM

Go for Wand......in a romp.

letswastemoney

11-02-2008 09:43 PM

Would Rags even like synth?

hrfan

11-03-2008 03:00 AM

zenyatta easy on any surface

letswastemoney

11-03-2008 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by hrfan

zenyatta easy on any surface

now wait a second. rags has beaten curlin. no one zenyatta has beaten is as quality as curlin. zenyatta even ducked nashoba's key earlier in the year.

freddymo

11-03-2008 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow.

HR has no clue who or what Go for Wand was..

freddymo

11-03-2008 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi

Who would win?

Nashoba's key your kidding right that filly is a nice grade 2 runner period

cakes44

11-03-2008 09:52 AM

Nashoba's Key was a synthetic monster though.

freddymo

11-03-2008 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

Nashoba's Key was a synthetic monster though.

Yeah the Personal Ensign of poly/cushion track. Please what grade 1 talent did the Monster crush in both her electrifying grade 1 wins?

cakes44

11-03-2008 10:39 AM

Grade 1 talent:

Hystericalady--Grade 1 winner of more than $2 million
Balance--Grade 1 winner of more than $1 million

I'm not saying that Nashoba's Key was a better animal than R2R or Zenyatta here. All I'm saying is she was a major handful on synthetics.

King Glorious

11-03-2008 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

YOU could outrun Hystericalady on synthetics.

cakes44

11-03-2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

YOU could outrun Hystericalady on synthetics.

That is half of what I'm trying to say here.

Indian Charlie

11-03-2008 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

YOU could outrun Hystericalady on synthetics.

Did You ever even run on synthetic? I think she ran before synthetics came along at any major track.

King Glorious

11-03-2008 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Did You ever even run on synthetic? I think she ran before synthetics came along at any major track.

Good point. Perhaps I should have said YOU AND I..........but then I think he was before synthetics too.

letswastemoney

11-03-2008 12:23 PM

If it was on synth.....Zenyatta probably would win....NK might win

If it was on dirt....Rags would win

If it was on turf....NK is the only one with experience on turf so she'd probably win

freddymo

11-03-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44

Hystericalady is a super nice filly but clearly not of poly

alysheba4

11-03-2008 02:42 PM

thats what i was thinking, her most impressive victory was on dirt.......

letswastemoney

11-03-2008 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What's your deal with Zenyatta? Has she beat you out of a big score or something?

No. I think my analysis is reasonable. I believe on dirt, Kentucky Oaks and Belmont wins are more impressive than Apple Blossom versus one good horse.

On synth, Zenyatta would beat her, not because Zenyatta moves up, but because everyone else seems to move down on those surfaces. But nothing is for certain.

Danzig

11-03-2008 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

but...zenyatta has wins on multiple surfaces, while rags does not. of course rags wasn't able to run much past her belmont score, so who knows what might have been? but i'd say a horse who has a 9 start, 9 win streak, on two surfaces is nothing to sneeze at. and i don't think rags could beat her in a match up. of course, that's pure speculation.
zenyatta beat a deep field in the bc distaff. regardless of the surface she was on, she ran a heck of a race-and it certainly wasn't just dirt horses in there against her.

eajinabi

11-03-2008 11:01 PM

lets add Azeri to the mix and see what you guys say

Zaf	11-03-2008 11:06 PM

Zenyatta might of had a shot to win the classic this year. Nashoba's Key , nice hoss, but not in the same class as Zenyatta.

Zaf	11-03-2008 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi

lets add Azeri to the mix and see what you guys say

Azeri was as game as they come !:tro:

eajinabi

11-03-2008 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaf

Zenyatta might of had a shot to win the classic this year. Nashoba's Key , nice hoss, but not in the same class as Zenyatta.

Not sure if she could have won the classic this year. If she did run she would have had to run her best race ever.

eajinabi

11-03-2008 11:17 PM

It would have been nice to see Nashobas Key, Zenyatta and Eight Belles run in the ladies classic this year but some things were not meant to be. Those were the three best fillies we had this year.

Zaf	11-03-2008 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi

Not sure if she could have won the classic this year. If she did run she would have had to run her best race ever.

Agree, but Zenyatta has never failed. :tro:

Zaf	11-03-2008 11:32 PM

So who's HOY ???

Curlin, Zenyatta , Big Brown.

If I was voting

1. Zenyatta
2. Big Brown
3. Curlin

I would like to see how you guys rank these three.

blackthroatedwind

11-03-2008 11:33 PM

1. Nashobas Key

2. Eight Belles

3. Rags to Riches

Zaf	11-03-2008 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

1. Nashobas Key

2. Eight Belles

3. Rags to Riches

WOW , who would of thunk it, respect your opinion Bro.

letswastemoney

11-04-2008 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

1. Nashobas Key

2. Eight Belles

3. Rags to Riches

Finally, someone who agrees with me! :) :)

letswastemoney

11-04-2008 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Before the Breeders Cup you went on and on about how Zenyatta hadn't beaten any good fields. You said she was beating only one or two good horses at a time, not 3 or 4 like she would be facing in the breeders Cup. You figured on of the 4 good horses she was facing would run a career best. Zenyatta romped.

Then after you were questioning where she would have finished in the Classic. Now you say Zenyatta dodged Nashoba's Key. It just seems like a grudge of some sort. Of course this whole thread is an opinion thing, so it's useless for me to argue one way or the other about who would win a fantasy race. It just seems like you refuse to give this horse her due, but then you argue Casino Drive's merits. Maybe it's me....

Okay I agree. Zenyatta stepped it up in the Distaff. Carriage Trail is a synth specialist. Music Note and Cocoa Beach both ran as well as they usually run. Zenyatta does deserve all this attention and has accomplished a great deal in her short career.

Maybe I'm just tired of hearing of Zenyatta. I hope there is a horse out there next year who will push her to her absolute limit. It's like Tiger Woods winning every golf tournament. We all concede he is great. But maybe it would be more interesting if Tiger had some real competition...

SniperSB23

11-04-2008 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not convinced Eight Belles was any better than Music Note or Proud Spell.

I think she was better at the time she went down. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing if she would have improved as the year went on and become a very good horse or whether she was already peaking and would have allowed the other two to catch up to (or pass) her.

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